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the_rydster
04-06-2004, 09:34 AM
I have only been playing this game for a few weeks now but I am really getting in to it.

I have found myself favouring the view with no cockpit visible but with the dials present at the bottom of the screen.

I feel a little guilty about using the above setting. I keep the other settings on realistic, after all that is the way it is supposed to be. I have tried experimenting with the cockpit visible view, not only is it difficult to see anything, but in the Mig 3 I was flying there is not even a flight indicator on the main dash....this just makes it a nighmare to fly.

My question is do most 'serious' players use the cockpit visible on or off. I feel that the setting of 'off' although not realistic does compensate for the fact that a) the computer screen gives you a smaller field of view than real life b) with the dials (especially flight indicator) in easy view this compensates for the fact the the dials on the dash are larger in real life (because of the small screen), and that you experience no g forces and so the easily visiable flight indicator makes up for this.

I do like the feel of having the cockpit visible otherwise you do feel a little 'disimbodied'. I read about the issue with the FW-190.....I can not shoot down a flying barn door with the cockpit visible, but the view for some other fighters is better.

the_rydster
04-06-2004, 09:34 AM
I have only been playing this game for a few weeks now but I am really getting in to it.

I have found myself favouring the view with no cockpit visible but with the dials present at the bottom of the screen.

I feel a little guilty about using the above setting. I keep the other settings on realistic, after all that is the way it is supposed to be. I have tried experimenting with the cockpit visible view, not only is it difficult to see anything, but in the Mig 3 I was flying there is not even a flight indicator on the main dash....this just makes it a nighmare to fly.

My question is do most 'serious' players use the cockpit visible on or off. I feel that the setting of 'off' although not realistic does compensate for the fact that a) the computer screen gives you a smaller field of view than real life b) with the dials (especially flight indicator) in easy view this compensates for the fact the the dials on the dash are larger in real life (because of the small screen), and that you experience no g forces and so the easily visiable flight indicator makes up for this.

I do like the feel of having the cockpit visible otherwise you do feel a little 'disimbodied'. I read about the issue with the FW-190.....I can not shoot down a flying barn door with the cockpit visible, but the view for some other fighters is better.

XyZspineZyX
04-06-2004, 09:41 AM
Oleg made this game/sim to played however a person feels like doing it.
"Cockpit on" is considered by many to be the only way to play. Certainly it's more immersive. With the cockpit off you do have a better view but if you're going for 'realism' I would suggest flying in the cockpit as much as possible. Learn where the important guages are and how to read them. This will take a while but I think that you will find it to be very rewarding to fly from base, engage in combat and return home, sometimes on a wing and a prayer and land safely (alive) all while in the cockpit. That said I do fly no cockpit only while air racing. Not having a floor beneath me has often kept me from crashing into someone or being crashed into. For battle though it's cockpit on for me always.

That is my opinion. But if you enjoy flying no cockpit, my all means do not feel guilty. Enjoy the game.

My 2 kopecks worth.



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Flamin_Squirrel
04-06-2004, 11:27 AM
I would say that no cockpit is fone to start learning with. However, once you're comfortable flying around you should give cockpit view another go. Its more immersive, more rewarding, and with practice you can hit things.

carguy_
04-06-2004, 11:30 AM
IMO the only excuse for flying cockpit off is FPS dropping to 20 while flying cockpit on.

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BurninWreckage
04-06-2004, 12:00 PM
There is no shame in flying "cockpit Off." Use whatever view you feel comfortable with.

I used to fly cockpit off, but I now prefer it on. It's more challenging for me and I think it makes me a better computer-sim pilot.

YMMV.


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the_rydster
04-06-2004, 05:10 PM
It is certainly more immersive with the cockpit on, I have been brushing up on my gauge knowledge which is a good thing so I can check oil temp and things which is probably a good thing.

The FW-190 and BF-109 are annoying though. I do not know if it because I am using an unpatched version of FB but you can not even see the cross hair unless you are banking hard and your head moves! There must be something wrong there.

_VR_ScorpionWorm
04-06-2004, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by the_rydster:
It is certainly more immersive with the cockpit on, I have been brushing up on my gauge knowledge which is a good thing so I can check oil temp and things which is probably a good thing.

The FW-190 and BF-109 are annoying though. I do not know if it because I am using an unpatched version of FB but you can not even see the cross hair unless you are banking hard and your head moves! There must be something wrong there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shift-F1 will solve that head problem. BTW, when I first started on IL2 original, I flew no cockpit, eventually I learned to use the gauges and combat with cockpit on. Its a totally different exceriance, I would say to fly with what you are comfortable with and eventually learn to use the gauges and cockpit on. You wont be disappointed, just dont rush things, take you time and learn at a good pace and the next thing you know youll be flying with cockpit on in no time and feel an immersion into the game as being a virtual pilot. Good Luck. See you in the skies.

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PEr_Gavran
04-06-2004, 05:53 PM
I had the same dilemma when I started flying about 4 months ago and after playing for a couple of days cockpit off I just felt like i was depriving myself of the challenges and the immersion that the cockpit offers.....I switched and never looked back, especially now that I have my TrackIR.
Most servers that have cockpit set to on still retain the speed, altitude and heading bars in the left corner of the screen.

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BpGemini
04-06-2004, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BurninWreckage:
There is no shame in flying "cockpit Off." Use whatever view you feel comfortable with.

I used to fly cockpit off, but I now prefer it on. It's more challenging for me and I think it makes me a better computer-sim pilot.

YMMV.

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In my opinion starting and practicing at Full Real settings is the fastest and best way to progress. No-Cockpit is too arcadish and a waste of time for training IMO. But fly how you want.

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kant000n
04-07-2004, 01:17 PM
Immersion? Hell yes. Cockpit on gives you the feeling of actualy flying. At least to me it does. But I believe it's a matter of personal preferences. I did't know there was a cockpit off view back when I started to fly in IL2. I just assumed that cockpit on is the only way. Later I discovered this feature and gave it a try. Didn't like it at all. First, those bright coloured gauges confused me. They looked too techno for a WWII sim. Second, not all instruments were there. Third, I didn't have those space orientation reference points. And could't tell when I was closing to stall.
Switched back and didn't try that anymore. I do use externals and other types of view.
Others seem to adjust better to the cockpit off setting. You should fly which ever way you feel you adjust better to.

Spinne_3.-JG51
04-07-2004, 01:37 PM
Speaking of immersion, look out at the wing of your 262 while landing, You'll feel like you're in a real jet.

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GK.
04-07-2004, 01:43 PM
you should feel guilty. As long as you move back into the cockpit once you get the hang of things, you should be alright. Don't let yourself get suckered into the world of skilless arcade flying.

Bearcat99
04-07-2004, 02:10 PM
I consider myself a serious flyer.... h@ll I spent a tidy sum on this sim over the past 12 months if I factor in the upgrades, time spent, and the cost of FB,AEP & BoE. I like to fly however the mood suites me. Sometimes I like the pit. Sometimes no pit. I rarely use the floating gauges. Sometimes I like to lock the pit and turn off the speedbar & hudlog. It all depends. You paid good money for the sim (I hope..) so dont let anybody tell you whats good or not. It is all about what is good for YOU. This is not a life and death moral issue here.... it is meant to be enjoyed so as long as you enjoy it fine. I sometimes run with unlimmited ammo ..... sometimes I even use icons.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif What ever flavor you are craving. One thing though... it is good that you are trying to fly in the pit.. there is something to be said for it. It can be a lot of fun..but if you dont have a good viewing solution or your rig cant handle the hits(framerate wise) then a locked pit is a drag. If I didnt have the mouse pan on my X45 I would use the closed pit less. Whatever you do I hope you never become one of those chest thumping, "my way is the best way and if you fly on settings less than mine you are a wuss" guys. Fly the sim how you like to and ignore the smack from the peanut gallery.

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