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TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 06:05 AM
you can't call them on the frontier? The biggest part/map of the game and you can't even utilize one of your game mechanics. Are you guys trying to phase out assassin recruits? it seems to me that you treat recruits almost as bad as you treated desmond. LAZY. sorry, i know its a very harsh word, but thats the thing that comes to mind.

suggestion: allow recruits to wear assassin garbs, and allow them to be utilized on the frontier

fellow forum dwellers, please feel free to post your thoughts!

meetreez
11-06-2012, 06:53 AM
I feel like the developers focused on the wrong things in this game.

zhengyingli
11-06-2012, 07:06 AM
Two things they did right:

1. The recruits are all characters with interesting background. Even one of them knows Connor's father in an unexpected way.

2. The recruits all learn abilities the factions in past games knew such as escort and lure. Escort is especially useful when I want to reach a printer while with level three notoriety.

I do use them a lot in the cities, but really, REALLY wished that they can all help me bring down a bear or something. Missed opportunity. I haven't completed the game yet, so maybe they still have time to shine (Please don't spoil anything for me) As for the robes, I'm not too kin on all of them wearing robe simply because I always fantasize that your recruits stalk you among the crowd looking like ordinary citizens, and Connor's robe sticking out like a sore thumb, is easier for them to follow. Yeah, I like to make up stories.

projectpat06
11-06-2012, 07:16 AM
Two things they did right:

1. The recruits are all characters with interesting background. Even one of them knows Connor's father in an unexpected way.

2. The recruits all learn abilities the factions in past games knew such as escort and lure. Escort is especially useful when I want to reach a printer while with level three notoriety.

I do use them a lot in the cities, but really, REALLY wished that they can all help me bring down a bear or something. Missed opportunity. I haven't completed the game yet, so maybe they still have time to shine (Please don't spoil anything for me) As for the robes, I'm not too kin on all of them wearing robe simply because I always fantasize that your recruits stalk you among the crowd looking like ordinary citizens, and Connor's robe sticking out like a sore thumb, is easier for them to follow. Yeah, I like to make up stories.

Escort doesn't even work when you have notoriety. It's dumb but guards will still try to fight you.

zhengyingli
11-06-2012, 07:23 AM
Escort doesn't even work when you have notoriety. It's dumb but guards will still try to fight you.

They do if you get too close. Even with level three, they will engage you on sight without escorts. But with escorts, they can only be suspicious with the yellow bar filling up pretty slowly. And with other four assassins free, you can command them to lure them away if you want to be certain.

TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 04:57 PM
I still support my op post. The devs focused on the wrong stuff. Everyone loved assassin recruits so why get rid of them?

Pr0metheus 1962
11-06-2012, 05:01 PM
you can't call them on the frontier? The biggest part/map of the game and you can't even utilize one of your game mechanics. Are you guys trying to phase out assassin recruits?

Hang on. Wasn't it just yesterday that you were with the folks who were defending the lack of recruits and the lack of the assassin's guild feature in AC3? You can't have it both ways.

Anyway, where are these recruits supposed to come from when you're in a vast wilderness? They don't have a Star Trek teleporter. They're based in the cities and that's where they do their stuff. There's a lot of stuff wrong with this game, but that isn't one of them.

zhengyingli
11-06-2012, 05:01 PM
I still support my op post. The devs focused on the wrong stuff. Everyone loved assassin recruits so why get rid of them?

Not going to disagree with you. Wasted potential, as they now function better than ever.

UrDeviant1
11-06-2012, 05:01 PM
I never much cared for recruits. I liked the 'recruiting missions' but the only times I used them was when It was mission specific. Hopefully they are trying to phase them out but I doubt they will, because people do really like them.

TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 05:13 PM
Just because you didn't use em, means they should be phased out...

UrDeviant1
11-06-2012, 05:17 PM
Just because you didn't use em, means they should be phased out...

I said I "hope" they get phased you moron, not that they "should", which Is obvious when I then said that they probably "won't" phase them out, because people like them.

ProdiGurl
11-06-2012, 05:34 PM
To me, recruits are vital to AC. I really don't like being completely isolated everywhere as if I'm the only one doing everything.
To have them join in, it feels more like I'm part of a network.
One of my favorite parts of ACB & ACR were taking down the Captains & helping citizens to get the recruits.
I think those missions at least in the past games, were completely optional... except for like the first ones when they go thru doing one (one w/ Yusuf & in ACB another w/ that other guy - forget his name, starts with an "M").
I find the chase/timed challenges more of a pain I avoid.

TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 05:35 PM
You literally said. I don't use them a lot, hopefully they are trying to phase them out....
Its horrible mindset to have when you hope to diminish someone elses playing experience because you personally don't care for it.

UrDeviant1
11-06-2012, 05:47 PM
What, so I'm not allowed to hope/not care If something's not In the game because It might upset other people?..Strange, last time I checked I was allowed to have an opinion. Then Isn't It also wrong to ask for something to be put Into a game In case other people don't like It? :/

Grandmaster_Z
11-06-2012, 05:56 PM
would be awesome if they could join you on the frontier...drop from trees to assassinate people...would be cool to see

zhengyingli
11-06-2012, 06:00 PM
would be awesome if they could join you on the frontier...drop from trees to assassinate people...would be cool to see
Or assassinate a pack of wolves. To all PC gamers out there, I want to see a modded ACIII assassin hunters!!!

TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 06:39 PM
You are hoping the devs take away an optional experience. If you don't like it, you have the option to not utilize the recruits. I'm hoping to add or improve the experience while you wish to take it away entirely

selfishly erase it. I'm po

UrDeviant1
11-06-2012, 08:43 PM
You are hoping the devs take away an optional experience. If you don't like it, you have the option to not utilize the recruits. I'm hoping to add or improve the experience while you wish to take it away entirely

selfishly erase it. I'm po

Why are you acting like a crybaby? all I said Is I hope they phase It out. I'm allowed to not want something In a game, or think something else would be better suited - it's my personal view, my opinion. And how are you hoping to add and Improve the experience?...oh wait, don't tell me, I might not like It and therefore you're suggesting something that might ruin my game experience If It were Implemented. GTFO.

TrueAssassin77
11-06-2012, 11:22 PM
Why are you acting like a crybaby? all I said Is I hope they phase It out. I'm allowed to not want something In a game, or think something else would be better suited - it's my personal view, my opinion. And how are you hoping to add and Improve the experience?...oh wait, don't tell me, I might not like It and therefore you're suggesting something that might ruin my game experience If It were Implemented. GTFO.

... why do you want it phased out... if its optional to begin with? since you already don't utilize the mechanic why should you care if its imporved upon or erased....?

since there is no obvious why it should concern you, then the only logical explanation for your negativity is that you don't want others to expereince either.

You already say you don't use it. so why should it be phased out if you already got the issue covered? why would you not want other people to enjoy the mechanic? because you don't enjoy it? I don't understand such a horrible mindset. I don't have a problem with your opinion, im just confused on why you would think in such a selfish manner.

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 12:11 AM
... why do you want it phased out... if its optional to begin with? since you already don't utilize the mechanic why should you care if its imporved upon or erased....?

since there is no obvious why it should concern you, then the only logical explanation for your negativity is that you don't want others to expereince either.

You already say you don't use it. so why should it be phased out if you already got the issue covered? why would you not want other people to enjoy the mechanic? because you don't enjoy it? I don't understand such a horrible mindset. I don't have a problem with your opinion, im just confused on why you would think in such a selfish manner.

Do you really think that I want the "call In recruits" mechanic phased out for the sole purpose of not letting anyone else experience It? You don't even know me and you're making a judgement like that? I'v already explained that I like the "recruit missions", but that I hope they get rid of "call In recruits" for something better. Now you're coming across as weird and paranoid and have a tendency to extract snippets of Information from my posts and come to all kinds of made-up B.S conclusions.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 12:14 AM
Do you really think that I want the "call In recruits" mechanic phased out for the sole purpose of not letting anyone else experience It? You don't even know me and you're making a judgement like that? I'v already explained that I like the "recruit missions", but that I hope they get rid of "call In recruits" for something better. Now you're coming across as weird and paranoid and have a tendency to extract snippets of Information from my posts and come to all kinds of made-up B.S conclusions.

sure man, whatever you say :nonchalance:

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 12:17 AM
Sorry for trolling you.

That's okay, just stop being weird.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 12:21 AM
That's okay, just stop being weird.
WTF? i never said that???????

ZoMBee-HitMAN
11-07-2012, 12:34 AM
Ahem. Well, I for one did like the return of the assassin-recruit system. There were a few problems though with it however. One, as the OP said, you can't call them out in the Frontier. I don't want to beat a dead horse by bagging on the devs for making this impossible, so I won't. All I'll say is it's absurd. Second thing is they took the ability to customize our assassins away. We don't have a say in what they look like or what they even carry as weapons if memory serves correctly. Lastly, they can't die. :/ I don't feel much attachment to any of them considering there's no risk to their life, but that's just me.

On the other hand, they did give us background to each recruit, and that's good. They also gave us more ways to use our assassins for different situations; that was also a plus. The only thing is I rarely use my recruits. I just slaughter any foe and don't exactly need my recruits to do anything for me. Plain and simple, to me, they're...not useless...but not needed in most cases.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 12:36 AM
Ahem. Well, I for one did like the return of the assassin-recruit system. There were a few problems though with it however. One, as the OP said, you can't call them out in the Frontier. I don't want to beat a dead horse by bagging on the devs for making this impossible, so I won't. All I'll say is it's absurd. Second thing is they took the ability to customize our assassins away. We don't have a say in what they look like or what they even carry as weapons if memory serves correctly. Lastly, they can't die. :/ I don't feel much attachment to any of them considering there's no risk to their life, but that's just me.

On the other hand, they did give us background to each recruit, and that's good. They also gave us more ways to use our assassins for different situations; that was also a plus. The only thing is I rarely use my recruits. I just slaughter any foe and don't exactly need my recruits to do anything for me. Plain and simple, to me, they're...not useless...but not needed in most cases.
If my assassin recruits had on the robes id spam them everywhere just to look badass together lol. imagine bodyguard skill... with a bunch of assassins!

Saqaliba
11-07-2012, 12:52 AM
I only have the Boston recruits so far, and I love the new abilities, but have found the Recruit system to be a bit clunky.

*First up, the customization as an option was promised to us and we have 'less' options than ever in the Assassin's menu.

*Secondly the Marksman ability is an awesome idea (replacing the Arrow Storm), but I don't want my Recruits to stay around and fight - there is another ability for that - i.e. 'Assassinate'. I just want the Marksman ability to be sniper-mode from the shadows, not a full-scale siege.

*Next. Why on earth did you allocate the circle (PS3) to the disband function with the Bodyguard ability... every-time I jump over a fence or interact with something that requires the circle button my Recruit disband an then I have to wait for the cool-down timer all over again. Would it not made more sense for disband to BE the Recruit button! (press L2). This was a problem introduced with the factions in Revelations every-time you do something he tell them to stop/follow and it was so frustrating (because I kept loosing my factions) that I resorted to never using them.

- When I have been engaged in battle why can't I access the Abilities! I don't want back-up. I want a bullet-storm! I want to be able to use Marksman ability during battle!

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 02:30 AM
i just want them to wear assassin robes....

xXPo1oPROSH0TXx
11-07-2012, 04:10 AM
Someone please tell me how to get more recruit than just the butcher guy from the story

rego00123
11-07-2012, 04:23 AM
Someone please tell me how to get more recruit than just the butcher guy from the story

do the liberation missions for every district in the major cities. once you kill the Templar leaders at the end of each quest chain you will get that areas contact as one of your own recruits

simonjako
11-07-2012, 11:51 AM
i dont understand why the recruits dont come and live in the homestead in the empty room... no clue at all.. it could be the new hideout place to manage them and so on.. the whole idea of pressing L2 to go there is just clucnky and you easliy forget to even use them. If they truly are a brotherhood they should stay together, or sit at the same table. i too believe that the brotherhood had potentiel, but it was'nt executed properly.

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 01:21 PM
i just want them to wear assassin robes....

You know what? Last year at the ACR release, fans were complaining & whining that it was stupid to make the recruits all wear the same Assassin garb which makes them completely obvious to the enemy & citizens as to what & who they are.
So they changed that for fans & now I'm seeing people rant that they aren't looking like a group of assassins in the same costumes.
:confused:
See what I mean about nothing they do is good?
One guy was ranting that he called an Assassin for help, not some cook. They can't win for losing and this is getting very frustrating to me to watch.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Wtf.? Thoae idiots have no senses. The hood is what makes them assassins ..... those idiots who are against recruits wearing robes must also be against connor wearing no hood at endgame...

MagusShadow
11-07-2012, 05:54 PM
I actually think best case would be you could dress your recruits in any outfits you've unlocked for connor as well as their default outfit..so the cook could look like captain kidd, or ezio, or wear the original achilles robes etc...

But that may just be wishing for too much ;)

SolidSage
11-07-2012, 06:58 PM
you can't call them on the frontier? The biggest part/map of the game and you can't even utilize one of your game mechanics. Are you guys trying to phase out assassin recruits?
Weren't all the recruits from specific cities with jobs in those cities? At least in a city it makes sense that they might be close by. Out in the frontier how would they get to Connor quickly. without totally compromising the laws of the World?
And they're not really needed out there, troop density is much less, it's not like when the whole city goes on alert and you actually NEED them.


it seems to me that you treat recruits almost as bad as you treated desmond. LAZY. sorry, i know its a very harsh word, but thats the thing that comes to mind.
I disagree. Recruits were fine. They were way overpowered in ACB/R and made things so easy there was no point in even using them, they detracted from the fun and felt cheap in combat. In AC3 the balancing of the combat challenge actually makes them worth their salt and the player not feel LAZY for using them.

Desmond sequences are there to push the story forward, so I don't know why that's a big issue, if anything, I see them as extra content that isn't really necessary but it's cool they got in there. Desmond could have been all cut scene but instead they made EXTRA EFFORT (not lazy) to put modern skins on a lot of stuff. Desmond in AC3 was so much better than Desmond in ACR IMO.

zhengyingli
11-07-2012, 07:52 PM
You know what? Last year at the ACR release, fans were complaining & whining that it was stupid to make the recruits all wear the same Assassin garb which makes them completely obvious to the enemy & citizens as to what & who they are.
So they changed that for fans & now I'm seeing people rant that they aren't looking like a group of assassins in the same costumes.
:confused:
See what I mean about nothing they do is good?
One guy was ranting that he called an Assassin for help, not some cook. They can't win for losing and this is getting very frustrating to me to watch.

I think the recruits' multiple abilities far overrides the issue of having them wearing no robes (don't kill me!). They're interesting people, too. Though I want to take them out with on a hunting trip.......Changes, it's impossible to please everyone.



Desmond sequences are there to push the story forward, so I don't know why that's a big issue, if anything, I see them as extra content that isn't really necessary but it's cool they got in there. Desmond could have been all cut scene but instead they made EXTRA EFFORT (not lazy) to put modern skins on a lot of stuff. Desmond in AC3 was so much better than Desmond in ACR IMO.

Haven't finished the game yet, but the Desmond sequences are no different than the ones you do in the main game, so I don't get the complaint, either. Too short, maybe, but I like them.

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 09:18 PM
I actually think best case would be you could dress your recruits in any outfits you've unlocked for connor as well as their default outfit..so the cook could look like captain kidd, or ezio, or wear the original achilles robes etc...

But that may just be wishing for too much ;)

Well this is the whole point - - it's coming down to we want to literally choose & create our entire game anymore or else we throw tantrums if we don't get enough costume changes, colors, designs, genders,.......... whatever else.
The whole game cannot be pick what you want - people manage not to complain when Batman wears the same suit the entire game lol But somehow the Assassin has to have a walk in closet full of outfits. lol ??
I'm not saying I don't like style choices but I hope you get my meaning as to what's going on with fan expectations on practically everything about the game.

Crazy_Vantage
11-07-2012, 09:44 PM
I have never used recruits except when the tutorial made me. I never recruited any until I'd finished the storyline because they're completely unnecessary. Maybe I'll find them more useful this playthrough as I try to get 100% sync.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 09:47 PM
i dont want costumization! i want assassin robes! Assassins wear the hood. only exception to this was Ac2 and that was beacsue i guess they hadn't thought that far. Assassins don't feel like assassins without the hood. thats one of the reasons for the outcry concerning connors endgame-model

ProdiGurl
11-07-2012, 10:06 PM
Most people do seem to want customization (by having differing opinions on everything & then deciding 'lets make that a choice"
and you are asking them to change something which is a form of that imo.
But I get that part, I'm just saying everybody has their idea of what Devs need to do or else __________. [fill in the blank].
I was simply explaining why and where the concept for having it off came from due to last years Fan preferences of keeping the hood down.
The point being made is that for everything you may like, complainers are going to spring up to bag on it becuz they hate it.

The one thing I've seen everyone agree on is the Music element tho. That seems to be a majority consensus around here & I'm glad about that.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 10:09 PM
was never really concerned with the music. if its there great, if its not i won't notice.

but instead of bagging on that thread i decided to let them request in peace

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 11:06 PM
Why even request something that's already been removed from the game because people didn't like It? Having all recruits In robes was never a good Idea, notice how the devs removed the feature? yeah, It's because It's stupid.

TrueAssassin77
11-07-2012, 11:12 PM
Why even request something that's already been removed from the game because people didn't like It? Having all recruits In robes was never a good Idea, notice how the devs removed the feature? yeah, It's because It's stupid.

HUH? what are you talking about? people didn'tlike it? Stupid is an opinion.

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 11:16 PM
HUH? what are you talking about? people didn'tlike it? Stupid is an opinion.
Yeah, like ProdiGurl already said, people were protesting at the fact all our recruits from ACR wore robes. And now there are people asking for It to be put back In??? It's absurd.

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 11:26 PM
Then I'd say don't expect the Devs to put something In the game that already got removed. You don't have to be a forum member to know It got removed??? And really, making your own memes to reply to a post? :/

Escappa
11-07-2012, 11:27 PM
Someone just got BURNED abouthis meme . . . by a guy from Derpville . . . wich is so ironic :p

UrDeviant1
11-07-2012, 11:42 PM
Wow. So lame.

Escappa
11-07-2012, 11:50 PM
Wow. So lame.

true my friend . . . well not FRIEND we really not know each other but....but we don't dislike each other do we? Wait a minute you do don't you?!!!! Why do you hate me? What have I ever done to you.?

MT4K
11-08-2012, 12:00 AM
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Technically memes are against Forum Rules... I'd suggest stop spamming them as replies to posts ;).

TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:01 AM
Technically memes are against Forum Rules... I'd suggest stop spamming them as replies to posts ;).

wha? this forum is no fun! by memes do you mean negative memes or memes in general?

Mr_Shade
11-08-2012, 12:04 AM
wha? this forum is no fun! by memes do you mean negative memes or memes in general?
In general...

It takes less time to write a post - than to find images...

This is a forum for PEOPLE - not memes.

I will go and remove them..


I suggest you read the forum rules - particularly this section:

No spamming
Repeatedly posting the same post or topic in a forum, or across multiple forums, is considered spamming. Such posts will be locked, edited or removed. Intentional off topic or nonsense posting is also likely to be considered spam and will receive the same treatment, especially if this takes an existing thread off topic. This applies to both written text and image posting which also includes Meme's.



If you can't be bothered to write a response to people - maybe consider not posting.

Escappa
11-08-2012, 12:08 AM
Now, with the memes removed, the convarsation allmost doesn't look weird at all . . . just a little bit ;)

TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:15 AM
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TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:16 AM
[/B]If you can't be bothered to write a response to people - maybe consider not posting.

wow, mod. didn't think it got that serious. sorry for ruining your day. i was not aware of the rule and am sincerely sorry for breaking it. there was no reason for the edited/added comment imo. next time i will make sure i am following the rules before attempting to be humorous.

Caeser_of_Rome
11-08-2012, 12:19 AM
I feel they made it all fit in. You must remember this isn't the 1500's where it was all about fashion. And you don't see the Templar's wearing one uniform. About the frontier thing, it's pretty good you can't just call them where ever you wanted them. It'd be completely stupid.

Mr_Shade
11-08-2012, 12:19 AM
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wow, mod. didn't think it got that serious. sorry for ruining your day. i was not aware of the rule and am sincerely sorry for breaking it. there was no reason for the edited/added comment imo. next time i will make sure i am following the rules before attempting to be humorous.
I'm not bothered, and it didn't ruin my day - so no worries there.

the post was edited - to show you the rules...


It is however insulting to the people trying to have a discussion - if that's what you intended the thread to be ;)

TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:21 AM
I'm not bothered, and it didn't ruin my day - so no worries there.

the post was edited - to show you the rules...


It is however insulting to the people trying to have a discussion - if that's what you intended the thread to be ;)

a discusion was indeed the intention, but i can assure you. The discussion never even started,

UrDeviant1
11-08-2012, 12:22 AM
I'm not bothered, and it didn't ruin my day - so no worries there.

the post was edited - to show you the rules...


It is however insulting to the people trying to have a discussion - if that's what you intended the thread to be ;)
Indeed;)

TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:26 AM
Indeed;)

UrDeviant1 said:

"I said I "hope" they get phased you moron, not that they "should", which Is obvious when I then said that they probably "won't" phase them out, because people like them. "








;)

UrDeviant1
11-08-2012, 12:28 AM
UrDeviant1 said:

"I said I "hope" they get phased you moron, not that they "should", which Is obvious when I then said that they probably "won't" phase them out, because people like them.

Sorry for hurting your feelings.

TrueAssassin77
11-08-2012, 12:32 AM
Sorry for hurting your feelings.

as well you should be. your apology isn't accepted though. but its the thought that counts man. you have a ways to go towards redemption but with this type of attitude i believe you will make it ;)

UrDeviant1
11-08-2012, 12:34 AM
as well you should be. your apology isn't accepted though. but its the thought that counts man. you have a ways to go towards redemption but with this type of attitude i believe you will make it ;)

Really? :l Let this be the last time we ever talk on here.

Mr_Shade
11-08-2012, 12:36 AM
and, since there is no discussion and this is going nowhere..

Locking thread.


reminder to all - post civil or don't post.