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SergeVE
07-14-2004, 02:11 PM
I recently discovered the "desert" map ( aka the online MT - map )but i find it extremely hard to keep my engine from overheating .
Normal use of power is not possible , after some time the engine starts making funny noises ( it's ruined ) and you have to land or worse , bail out ,which is very unpleasant in the desert .
The last time it happened I had to drink the water from the radiator to survive !
!-))

I do not use complex engine management , just the straightforward throttle .
What are your experiences ?
Is there a way around it ?
Are some planes more suitable for desert flying ?
Or should I fly at night when its cooler ?

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SergeVE
07-14-2004, 02:11 PM
I recently discovered the "desert" map ( aka the online MT - map )but i find it extremely hard to keep my engine from overheating .
Normal use of power is not possible , after some time the engine starts making funny noises ( it's ruined ) and you have to land or worse , bail out ,which is very unpleasant in the desert .
The last time it happened I had to drink the water from the radiator to survive !
!-))

I do not use complex engine management , just the straightforward throttle .
What are your experiences ?
Is there a way around it ?
Are some planes more suitable for desert flying ?
Or should I fly at night when its cooler ?

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BpGemini
07-14-2004, 02:18 PM
No problems here (except with the Spit).
The Spit has an overheat bug.

Throttle down about 10%-20% more than usual until you need it.

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Weather_Man
07-14-2004, 02:20 PM
Try to keep engine throttle at 80% or less except in emergency. You can cruise at 50% power and still get there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Make sure radiator open.

The spits have overheating problems on that map--should be fixed in next patch.

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MystiqBlackCat
07-14-2004, 02:23 PM
On the desert maps I cruise at about 50 to 60% throttle and set my prop pitch down on Allied planes to 60 or 70% and leave my radiator flaps open.

Normally I can engage an enemy at full power for a few minutes before my engine overheats at which point I either break off the engagement or start flying with reduced settings and trying harder to conserve energy to get an edge on my opponent.

Cragger
07-14-2004, 02:35 PM
The Kittyhawk loves this map 100% all day long

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georgeo76
07-14-2004, 06:06 PM
stay above 3K

XyZspineZyX
07-14-2004, 09:45 PM
When flying 109s in the desert, I keep cowl flaps open to Position 4 when transiting or climbing out, and throttle back to 85% max.

I close the cooling flaps before engaging (provided I don't get *bounced*!!) and "cool up" whenever I get a break after a victory.

This sim still allows most players to tool around full throttle all the time in most conditions, when you really shouldn't tax your engine like that until you need it (combat). Once you get to cruise alt, if you're doing more than about 75%, you need to dial it back.

I asked the real Franz Stigler about this and he said, when he flew 109s, they'd climb out on 80% power if they had time (if not, then they'd climb out full), cruise at no more than 75% and save 100% and all boosts and WEP systems for "10 minutes of combat".

BennyMoore
07-14-2004, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
This sim still allows most players to tool around full throttle all the time in most conditions, when you really shouldn't tax your engine like that until you need it (combat). Once you get to cruise alt, if you're doing more than about 75%, you need to dial it back.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I confess to flying constantly at one hundred and ten percent throttle, but I do it because it is almost impossible to "keep up" with your opponents if you do not (if you both take off at the same time and fly roughly toward each other, and you're running at eighty, you're going to get bounced). I, too, am disgusted by this oh so complex engine management.

brimigus
07-14-2004, 11:23 PM
nope.How are you gonna cruise around online at 50% throttle and not expect to get run over by every E/A in the game.The desert map is to small and your only maybe 2 or 3 minutes away from any E/A at any given time.

westcoastphil
07-14-2004, 11:26 PM
Like everyone has said, reduce power, but also gain altitute. Over 2K seems to reduce the effect of overheating.

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WUAF_Badsight
07-14-2004, 11:43 PM
just fly over 3K

seems some people dont ever do that . . . .

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WTE_Galway
07-15-2004, 02:08 AM
personally i suspect it because we have planes that havent been tropicalised http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

afterall without the big airfilters we probably have an engine full of sand !!!


of course OFFLINE you can use the "auto-pilot exploit" that keeps your engine at a cool 40C all the way to target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Mitlov47
07-15-2004, 03:02 AM
In the Middle East, midday temperatures can pass 120 degrees Farenheit. Of course your engines are going to overheat much more than normal. Can't be helped. Open the radiator and keep the RPM lower than normal.

What I haven't noticed on the desert map is that as the air gets hotter, airplanes produce less lift. Has anyone noticed this, or does FB not take air temperature's effect on lift into account?

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Redshift1
07-15-2004, 05:57 AM
Sorry to hijck this thread, but can anyone tell me whether it is possible to fly the desert map in single player, and if so, where do I find it?

gombal40
07-15-2004, 06:40 AM
full mission builder

mapname--&gt;&gt; online mt

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07-15-2004, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redshift1:
Sorry to hijck this thread, (you could have started a new thread)but can anyone tell me whether it is possible to fly the desert map in single player, and if so, where do I find it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do you mean the Quick Mission Builder? If so the answer is no, that map isn't availalbe in the QMB. You'll need to do as gombal40 suggests and make a mission using the Full Mission Builder. To make the mission 'Single Player' just check the "Player" box of the aircraft you wish to pilot. HTH

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Bearcat99
07-15-2004, 07:00 AM
Use CEM. In this sim to get the most out of it you MUST use CEM other wise you are just half stepping. Open your radiator wide untill you get to combat then if you remember close it to around 4 .... or you can leave it open .. I do. I stay away from 100% throttle unless I have to. As far as the desert map in the QMB.. get the UQMG in my sig and set up a few QMs that way. It works similarly to the QMB but is far more versatile.

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Redshift1
07-15-2004, 07:11 AM
Thanks for the info on the desert map in single player, guys.

R.

Extreme_One
07-15-2004, 07:19 AM
You took the words out of my mouth Bearcat.

Correct use of CEM should see you OK on any map.

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PBNA-Boosher
07-15-2004, 07:39 AM
However, if you don't understand CEM fully yet, while you're learning it, get above 3000 meters. usually at that altitude the engine can keep relatively cool most of the time. Plus if you see a target, you have a nice altitude advantage.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-15-2004, 08:29 AM
In RL, most pilots cruised and finished their climb at about 60% throttle (or less). I realize this isn't RL and the timeframe is much shorter. Not to mention the common desire for most to get their "quick-fix"

As has been already said, overheating in the desert maps is (and should be) an issue. Spiral climb to over 2k, throttle back to 60%, open you radiator and slow-climb to 2500-3000m.

Use this altitude to gain advantage over your enemy and throttle up when you have contact. maintain your "E" advantage and throttle back as soon as you are able.



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darkhorizon11
07-15-2004, 08:41 AM
"What I haven't noticed on the desert map is that as the air gets hotter, airplanes produce less lift. Has anyone noticed this, or does FB not take air temperature's effect on lift into account?"

No it doesn't unfortunately. Temp., pressure, and humidity are not variables in IL2. Its too bad though maybe BoB will incorporate something like this. And for those naysayers these things to make a huge difference. When I fly here in ND between summer(90F) and winter (&lt;-25F) my takeoff and landing distances change by well over 120 feet. It would be cool if wind was a controllable factor in the game as well.

Extreme_One
07-15-2004, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redshift1:
Thanks for the info on the desert map in single player, guys.

R.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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or wait until a campaign maker creates a campaign...

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