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Luftcaca
05-26-2004, 01:05 PM
ok this has bothered me for a long time let me explain myself

Ive played many campaings since FB came out. If I remember wellm with the 1.0 version of FB, there was so many ennemy fighters taking off, like 16 almost every mission or so.
Since the first patch its been corrected but...now I think theres just NOT ENOUGH ennemy fighters opposition.

For instance, Im currently flying a Il2 campaign. and I cant remember the last time an ennemy fighter attacked me. Sometimes 2 109 or 190 scramble to intercept us, but they are quickly overwhelmed by our escort, usually something between 4 and 8 fighters. the fighters are not even a menace, maybe a distraction if I manage to shoot one down before the escort take him out. The flak is much more dangerous right now, not even close.

Another example: Currently also flying a German campaign in 43, 190A5
We always attack groud targets, mostly bridges (yuck)
to be quite honest, I dont remember the last time I saw ennemy fighters in the sky, I mean, shouldnt the russian be EVERWHERE by that time???

a last one (I have many)
when we change airfield in a mission, all fighters take off PLUS a bunch of trasport planes like Li-2 or Junkers 52. the ennemy send something like 2, maybe 4 fighters to engage the whole bunch. On the other side if YOU attack the transfer flight (stop ennemy air operation) your WHOLE squad will take off (prolly 8 unless you have not enough planes available) and only 2 or MAYBE 4 fighters will escort the ennemy trasport planes.


that said, I know these campaigns are called DYNAMIC campaigns, but cmon, does that mean the ennemy fighters of the other side should always be outnumbered if you won the first round of each battles???

I wish sometimes I would take off in my 190 with 3 pals and meet something like 12 or 16 Yaks, now I would feel like Im fighting for my life.
Right now Im happy if I meet 2 fighters, and reaching em and shooting one down b4 the 8 109's escorting us shot em all down would alsmot be a miracle...

thoughts?

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Luftcaca
05-26-2004, 01:05 PM
ok this has bothered me for a long time let me explain myself

Ive played many campaings since FB came out. If I remember wellm with the 1.0 version of FB, there was so many ennemy fighters taking off, like 16 almost every mission or so.
Since the first patch its been corrected but...now I think theres just NOT ENOUGH ennemy fighters opposition.

For instance, Im currently flying a Il2 campaign. and I cant remember the last time an ennemy fighter attacked me. Sometimes 2 109 or 190 scramble to intercept us, but they are quickly overwhelmed by our escort, usually something between 4 and 8 fighters. the fighters are not even a menace, maybe a distraction if I manage to shoot one down before the escort take him out. The flak is much more dangerous right now, not even close.

Another example: Currently also flying a German campaign in 43, 190A5
We always attack groud targets, mostly bridges (yuck)
to be quite honest, I dont remember the last time I saw ennemy fighters in the sky, I mean, shouldnt the russian be EVERWHERE by that time???

a last one (I have many)
when we change airfield in a mission, all fighters take off PLUS a bunch of trasport planes like Li-2 or Junkers 52. the ennemy send something like 2, maybe 4 fighters to engage the whole bunch. On the other side if YOU attack the transfer flight (stop ennemy air operation) your WHOLE squad will take off (prolly 8 unless you have not enough planes available) and only 2 or MAYBE 4 fighters will escort the ennemy trasport planes.


that said, I know these campaigns are called DYNAMIC campaigns, but cmon, does that mean the ennemy fighters of the other side should always be outnumbered if you won the first round of each battles???

I wish sometimes I would take off in my 190 with 3 pals and meet something like 12 or 16 Yaks, now I would feel like Im fighting for my life.
Right now Im happy if I meet 2 fighters, and reaching em and shooting one down b4 the 8 109's escorting us shot em all down would alsmot be a miracle...

thoughts?

http://www.ifrance.com/boussourir/luftcaca.jpg

Formerly ''known'' as Gunther Aeroburst

tigertalon
05-26-2004, 01:17 PM
Hello Luftcaca

Agree with every word you said... Those are exactly the reasons why really dislike dynamic campaigns in any game. IRL there is just too many different factors that direct how the situation will be, nowadays our computers and programmers still can not simulate this (or they can, but it would be VERY VERY expensive).

After playing campaigns in FB for a while you see that there are just 3 or 4 different kinds of missions... They just repeat and repeat and repeat... It is never connected with real event that took place, it is alway the same. Really boring. I would prefer classic campaign composed of let's say 100 missions (Mission complete - you advance to next mission; Mission Failed - you repeat) where each of them would really be unique...

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regards, tt

arcadeace
05-26-2004, 01:21 PM
Get Il-2 Stab 4. It will create certain settings not available in the config.ini. You can set all AI enemy in campaigns to ace and create much larger numbers, along with other preferences.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/222_1082457373_222_1082441075_airaces.jpg

Luftcaca
05-26-2004, 01:51 PM
thx for replying guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arcadeace, where could I find this file?
Im very interested in getting it
is it like the Il2 FB manager 3.0?

with the manager you can set the air traffic to HEAVY or something like that but the prob is that even if you loose 8 pals in a single mission you will be 8 to take off in the following one and thats not really whaty Im looking for...Im looking for variety NOT a sky full o' planes every single mission http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Formerly ''known'' as Gunther Aeroburst

LEXX_Luthor
05-26-2004, 02:54 PM
FB has no dynamic campaign, its static.

Try Lowengrin's DCGN or something, I forgot...

---> http://www.lowengrin.com/news.php

Apparently a fantastic program that creates FMB mission files and uses the combat results of previous mission by reading the eventlog file.

I am working on my own for use someday, and believe me, FB does not have the tools to easily create a real dynamic campaign.

This is why a few here can see all the amatuer wimpering about FM as trivial issues. But the FM wimpering is all because these simmers are bored with FB missions, and do not have the tools to create real immersive frontline battlefield simulation....it helps if you are a computer programmer, but that says how difficult it is with the FMB use--imagine writing a program to create FMB mission files, and using the results of reading the previous mission eventlog file. FM Whines are trivial, pennies to the dozen.


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WWMaxGunz
05-26-2004, 10:52 PM
There are and have been good tools and hooks even back into IL2 before FB but not enough information on what, where and how. I had tried emailing 3 different people and could only obtain vague clues and partial information.

-- Somewhere is an ini file that you can change a line to name an external mission generator to replace the default one.

-- Somehow there are communications ways set up between the sim and external mission generator.

-- There is more than just the log file.

I was told that much over 2 years ago, but when I asked for details there was never any more answers. It is there but those with the information keep it to themselves.


Neal

LEXX_Luthor
05-27-2004, 12:02 AM
mmm, how interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

Just asking this to myself mainly, but what went wrong in development that they had to hide these things? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


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"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

arcadeace
05-27-2004, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
thx for replying guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arcadeace, where could I find this file?
Im very interested in getting it
is it like the Il2 FB manager 3.0?

with the manager you can set the air traffic to HEAVY or something like that but the prob is that even if you loose 8 pals in a single mission you will be 8 to take off in the following one and thats not really whaty Im looking for...Im looking for variety NOT a sky full o' planes every single mission http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not quite sure what you mean, I don't think this utility will give you the "variety", but here are links to the main site and download.

http://www.users.on.net/~mjtm/IL-2/

http://www.users.on.net/mjtm/IL-2/IL2Stab43.zip

Chuck_Older
05-27-2004, 07:23 AM
FB's single player campaigns are static?

You mean, every mission will be the same, if I refly a campaign I've already done? Both times, mission 1 is the same, mission 2 is the same, mission 3 is the same, etc? That is not my understanding of it at all.

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