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RatonhnhakeFan
08-17-2012, 01:52 PM
note: this is not about "Lee is Ratonhnhaké:ton's father". This theory applies to the story regardless if there is a personal connection between them or not

Ok, so they said there's one historical deviation in AC3. Could this be it?

Charles Lee was historically away from America from 1760 to 1773. The exact date of his return was November 10, 1773.

We saw the Boston demo that takes place in summer of 1773, before Lee's recorded return:
http://cdn-thumbs.viddler.com/thumbnail_2_c06cded5_v3.jpg
Ratonhnhaké:ton is clearly an adult in this demo and already an Assassin.

Yet then, there's this screen/concept/bullshot:
http://static9.cdn.ubi.com/en-US/images/ac3_screen_10tcm1942728.jpg

Charles Lee was born in 1732. He would be 28 in 1760 when he left America. He really doesn't look 28 in this screen, he looks about 40. Grey hair and wrinkles are clearly starting to show.
Ratonhnhaké:ton doesn't have his assassin robes and looks like a teenager in this screen, not an adult yet. About 13-17 max. So this screen has to happen BEFORE summer of 1773 which is before Lee's documented return.

We know that Ratonhnhaké:ton joined the Assassin order in 1770 and that the attack on his village happened close to the revolution and was the main reason he joined the order. So this would fit that this scene would be happening around 1770. And Lee looks about 40. So did Ubisoft wrote-in a secret/unrecorded visit to America by Charles Lee around 5-3 years before the documented return in late 1773?

SteelCity999
08-17-2012, 03:08 PM
Maybe Charles Lee was back in America, like you say, and he ordered or had a hand in burning down the village to cover up is "accident". Having to kill his father could make a powerful story - especially if Lee believes Connor is dead. AC1 ad AC2 all had betrayal themes so I would speculate that it will continue in AC3. Plus, the whole tenant of the AC series is that history isn't always recorded as it actually was but is shown as someone's interpretation - not everything is 100% accurate.

Well, I suppose he won't kill him since he lived until 1782 and died of illness, but you never know. Maybe he tries to and Lee enlightens him that there is mre to things and it isn't in his best interest to kill him.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-17-2012, 03:36 PM
Plus, the whole tenant of the AC series is that history isn't always recorded as it actually was but is shown as someone's interpretation - not everything is 100% accurate.True, however, they talked a lot how they had to be careful about the characters from AC3 since so many documents exist depicting in details when/where they were. But I researched documents about Lee from around 1770 to 1773 when he came back to England, and it seems like there's enough gaps there, since he wasn't doing anything special then, that they could easily squeeze a short journey to America in that time

tarrero
08-17-2012, 04:00 PM
During the boston gameplay he could be 17 - 18 years old, if he was born on 1755. Also ,it is been stated that connor joined the order on 1770, agaiin, if he is born on 1755, he will be 14/15 years old by then,seemingly matching that screen/concept/bullshot.

Pure speculation of course.

LoyalACFan
08-17-2012, 04:07 PM
Not to be a killjoy or anything, but do we even know for sure that the guy slamming him into the tree is, in fact, Charles Lee? I mean, sure, he looks very much like him. But look at this.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/arun1910/Sameperson.jpg

Lee's picture at Gamescom compared to that old bullshot from GameInformer. Now, clearly, he's younger in the Gamescom portrait, even though we can't see his whole face. And I'm guessing the tree-slamming incident will be the first time we run into him in the game. The ages don't match up. He's shown at Gamescom with the other founding fathers, presumably in the early days of the Revolution, but what, did he get younger over time?

tarrero
08-17-2012, 04:11 PM
Sure, you are not killing anything, so far al we are doing is speculate haha.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-17-2012, 04:18 PM
Not to be a killjoy or anything, but do we even know for sure that the guy slamming him into the tree is, in fact, Charles Lee?No doubt. Ubisoft showed many times how he looks like:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120412192137/assassinscreed/images/thumb/7/79/CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.png/370px-CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.png http://cdn.leganerd.com/wp-content/gallery/ac3/ac3-12.jpg

Same outfit, same features etc


Lee's picture at Gamescom compared to that old bullshot from GameInformer. Now, clearly, he's younger in the Gamescom portrait, even though we can't see his whole face. And I'm guessing the tree-slamming incident will be the first time we run into him in the game. The ages don't match up. He's shown at Gamescom with the other founding fathers, presumably in the early days of the Revolution, but what, did he get younger over time?You're saying presumably the Gamescome screen shows them in early days of Revolution, but Benjamin Franklin would be in his mid-to-late 60s by then. He doesn't look anywhere that old.

SteelCity999
08-17-2012, 04:33 PM
Odd fact: Lee was in Constantinople during one of the major earthquakes. 1766. Could be nothing but you never know.

http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-lee

There are definitely opportunity for some gaps...he was also in Italy during 1770.

Mr_Shade
08-17-2012, 04:39 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)

SteelCity999
08-17-2012, 04:44 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)


It must be nice to have access to all the inside information like this.......:cool:

RatonhnhakeFan
08-17-2012, 04:51 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)
http://i46.tinypic.com/35d5kiq.gif

Mr_Shade
08-17-2012, 04:52 PM
It must be nice to have access to all the inside information like this.......:cool:It is.. I have a box full of secrets..

Ask Ubi Gabe ;)

TheHumanTowel
08-17-2012, 04:58 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)
http://thetruthaboutplas.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/myth-busted.jpg

UbiGabe
08-17-2012, 07:01 PM
This can only end well...

Edited to add: I do believe I need a new signature, lol!

RatonhnhakeFan
08-17-2012, 07:08 PM
Edited to add: I do believe I need a new signature, lol!I will gladly design a new beautiful sig just for you if you share a few secrets from AC3 with me http://i50.tinypic.com/jt5iqq.gif

Assassin_M
08-17-2012, 08:11 PM
Wow..

This thread..

Will_Lucky
08-17-2012, 08:17 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)

...You mean the one responsible for the Philadelphia project right? I mean that actually is Canon :D.

dxsxhxcx
08-17-2012, 08:22 PM
This can only end well...

Edited to add: I do believe I need a new signature, lol!


we need a new signature contest like we had last year... :)

LoyalACFan
08-17-2012, 10:32 PM
Odd fact: Lee was in Constantinople during one of the major earthquakes. 1766. Could be nothing but you never know.

http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-lee

There are definitely opportunity for some gaps...he was also in Italy during 1770.

They'd be silly not to use his trips to Constantinople and Italy as plot elements. Maybe he was looking for something left behind by Ezio.

Locopells
08-18-2012, 12:02 AM
Well they did say there'd be references to him, like there was to Altair in ACR, so...

By the way Shade, do I get the faintest feeling that all the endless speculation and rumor is getting ever so slightly on your nerves?!

Mr_Shade
08-18-2012, 12:45 PM
By the way Shade, do I get the faintest feeling that all the endless speculation and rumor is getting ever so slightly on your nerves?!

No.. I think it's cool :)


That answer is the official one btw ;)


we need a new signature contest like we had last year... :)

I'm on it like a car bonnet - we would normally do it a little closer to the time - but never too early to start planing :);)

Stroonzje
08-18-2012, 01:44 PM
Ubisoft are the biggest trolls of the gaming industry. The **** they come up with is hilarious

LoyalACFan
08-18-2012, 08:18 PM
Ubisoft are the biggest trolls of the gaming industry. The **** they come up with is hilarious
No way man... The biggest troll in gaming is Kojima.

Slayer_WTF
08-20-2012, 01:22 PM
CHARLES LEE HAS A TIME MACHINE!!!

IT’S A PIECE OF EDEN!!! THIS IS ALL TOTALLY CANON!!! COREY MAY SAID IT HIMSELF!!!


The above may not be 100% truthful and it maybe best to wait and see the final game ;)

What the f..

LightRey
08-20-2012, 01:38 PM
Do we even have confirmation that that's Charles Lee? I mean, maybe it's just a guy that looks like him?

RatonhnhakeFan
08-20-2012, 01:41 PM
Do we even have confirmation that that's Charles Lee? I mean, maybe it's just a guy that looks like him?
It's the same outfit. Since Lee is one of the key characters, he will obviously have a unique model, they won't make some minor character/random NPC look the same like him

LightRey
08-20-2012, 01:42 PM
It's the same outfit. Since Lee is one of the key characters, he will obviously have a unique model, they won't make some minor character/random NPC look the same like him
I wasn't saying it was an ordinary NPC. I'm just saying that just because a guy has sideburns and a uniform doesn't mean he's Charles Lee.

zerocooll21
08-20-2012, 01:54 PM
Good stuff.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-20-2012, 01:55 PM
I wasn't saying it was an ordinary NPC. I'm just saying that just because a guy has sideburns and a uniform doesn't mean he's Charles Lee.

Connor's story begins in the Mohawk village in which he was raised. Players control the character during his youth, including a period of his boyhood where he comes into conflict with Charles Lee, a historical figure who years later becomes a general in George Washington’s army.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/03/26/the-new-hero-of-assassin-s-creed-iii.aspx?PostPageIndex=2&PageIndex=6

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120412192137/assassinscreed/images/thumb/7/79/CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.png/370px-CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.pnghttp://cdn.leganerd.com/wp-content/gallery/ac3/ac3-12.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190194_455983861089400_862429889_n.jpg
http://static9.cdn.ubi.com/en-US/images/ac3_screen_10tcm1942728.jpg

It's Lee, zero doubt about it

LightRey
08-20-2012, 02:08 PM
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120412192137/assassinscreed/images/thumb/7/79/CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.png/370px-CharlesLee-ACIII-Portrait.pnghttp://cdn.leganerd.com/wp-content/gallery/ac3/ac3-12.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190194_455983861089400_862429889_n.jpg
http://static9.cdn.ubi.com/en-US/images/ac3_screen_10tcm1942728.jpg

It's Lee, zero doubt about it
Well now that's more like it.

Mr_Shade
08-20-2012, 02:22 PM
That's assuming the screenshot shown is not pre-production artwork using placeholder designs- so it may not even look like that in game ;)


Time will tell :)

LightRey
08-20-2012, 02:24 PM
That's assuming the screenshot shown is not pre-production artwork using placeholder designs- so it may not even look like that in game ;)


Time will tell :)
oooh, true dat.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-20-2012, 02:42 PM
That's assuming the screenshot shown is not pre-production artwork using placeholder designs- so it may not even look like that in game ;)


Time will tell :)Time will tell, but it's not pre-production nor artwork. The file's name is "AC3_SC_SP_09_Cinematics_YoungConnor_ONLINEB.jpg" and if you look at it in high-res, you can see polygons. It's a bullshoted screen rendered from the in-game assets & engine like others Ubisoft released. It may not look 100% like that in the final game, but I very doubt it will be vastly different, especially the character models.

Mr_Shade
08-20-2012, 03:17 PM
Time will tell, but it's not pre-production nor artwork. The file's name is "AC3_SC_SP_09_Cinematics_YoungConnor_ONLINEB.jpg" and if you look at it in high-res, you can see polygons. It's a bullshoted screen rendered from the in-game assets & engine like others Ubisoft released. It may not look 100% like that in the final game, but I very doubt it will be vastly different, especially the character models.
Pre-production Artwork - is not just hand drawn you know..

It can also mean - cinematic trailer tests.. with placeholder models - or production 'concept artwork' made using ingame assets etc etc ;)




But - I'll let you get back to your thread.. since you seem convinced - what do I know... ;)

RatonhnhakeFan
08-20-2012, 03:19 PM
Pre-production Artwork - is not just hand drawn you know..

It can also mean - cinematic trailer tests.. with placeholder models etc etc ;)

But - I'll let you get back to your thread.. since you seem convinced ;)It sure is interesting though how nervous you are in all Charles Lee threads ;)

But seriously though, yeah, I am quite convinced because the characters' ages determine when will things happen. Lee was only 28 in 1760 when he left America. Plus, we know that Ratonhnhaké:ton was born in 1753 at the earliest so he would be just 7 years old in 1760. Neither looks either 28 or 7, so this just cannot happen during Lee's first stay in America.

Mr_Shade
08-20-2012, 03:51 PM
It sure is interesting though how nervous you are in all Charles Lee threads ;)
.Not at all..



I'm thinking to myself - how funny it is people are trying to piece together the story - from artwork..


Some ideas are cool - some are way off base..


Just remember when the game releases - things maybe not appear as they do in artwork - I know you understand it - however not everyone who reads the forums does - and I would hate to see threads about 'OMG UBISOFT CHANGED THE GAMEZ!!' lol

Mind you .. might be fun!;)

Calvarok
08-20-2012, 05:07 PM
I personally think he looks like he could be in his twenties in that screen. Beards were left to roam free as soon as possible in that age.

Locopells
08-20-2012, 05:09 PM
Beards were left to roam free as soon as possible in that age.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NIgfiSzCy1o

RatonhnhakeFan
08-22-2012, 06:51 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4230/connor14.jpg

:rolleyes:

tarrero
08-22-2012, 07:03 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4230/connor14.jpg

:rolleyes:

Where did you get that from?

By the way


During the boston gameplay he could be 17 - 18 years old, if he was born on 1755. Also ,it is been stated that connor joined the order on 1770, agaiin, if he is born on 1755, he will be 14/15 years old by then,seemingly matching that screen/concept/bullshot.

Pure speculation of course.

Could it be? haha

LoyalACFan
08-22-2012, 08:04 PM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4230/connor14.jpg

:rolleyes:

OK, OK, you called it :p

But really, why is it such a big spoiler if Charles Lee is his dad? That would be something we found out in like the first ten minutes of the game, considering the nature of the Animus. Or it would be a really lame plot twist, lol, considering Desmond could have just dialed the Animus back one more generation to find out.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-22-2012, 09:39 PM
OK, OK, you called it :p

But really, why is it such a big spoiler if Charles Lee is his dad? That would be something we found out in like the first ten minutes of the game, considering the nature of the Animus. Or it would be a really lame plot twist, lol, considering Desmond could have just dialed the Animus back one more generation to find out.This thread is not really about Lee = daddy ;P Of course I highly believe that's the fact, but even if it's not, it also seem very likely that Lee was secretly in America around 1770 when Ratonhnhaké:ton was 14. I don't believe the concept from the first page is a 'mistake', or has innacurate 'place-holder' character models. Everything fits for this Lee/Ratonhnhaké:ton meeting/argument to be happening around 1770, or a year earlier, when he is around 14/15 and Lee is in his late 30s.


Where did you get that from?From the new "Inside AC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLU5L072tg&feature=player_embedded)" video, at 3:34 you can see it on the screen, right after Noah performs one of his lines.

Calvarok
08-23-2012, 12:20 AM
We already know the name of his father, right? And it was not Charles Lee. Charles Lee may coincide with Conner because he's the one who invades his village. has anyone discussed that possibility?

Layytez
08-23-2012, 12:50 AM
He could invade the village and simply not know Connor is his son or Connor is angry and wants justice but is clearly too young and Charles is angry because Connor wont listen to him because he will be killed. So then Connor joins the assasinns and does what Charles didn't have the balls to do.

altairezio1993
08-23-2012, 01:12 AM
They'd be silly not to use his trips to Constantinople and Italy as plot elements. Maybe he was looking for something left behind by Ezio.

This is interesting! Do any of you think its possible he aquires a piece of eden? We've seen from the artwork of Lee that he has his hand inside his coat (from S16's clues we learnt that normally this means the person is holding an apple) and we know Altairs apple ended up in England with Elizabeth, then its all obscure after that, until Ghandi comes into possession of it. Maybe he learns in Costantinople of Ezio's journey through the assassins (assuming Lee isn't a Templar) and finds out what the vault held and where the apple ended up (England). It's a long shot but hey, its Assassin's Creed, anything could happen

Umbra_Blade
08-23-2012, 01:16 AM
We already know the name of his father, right?

We do? what is it?

HisSpiritLives
08-23-2012, 09:13 AM
We already know the name of his father, right? And it was not Charles Lee. Charles Lee may coincide with Conner because he's the one who invades his village. has anyone discussed that possibility?

What is name of Connors father , i cant find it anywhere???

RatonhnhakeFan
08-23-2012, 10:34 AM
What is name of Connors father , i cant find it anywhere???
We don't know, I think he is reffering to Kenway last name, that it supposedly comes from Ratonhnhké:ton's father. It could but Ubisoft consistently refers to English name as 'adopted by Connor to move easier among the colonists", which sound to me like he just made it up, or picked random English first and last name. IDK. There wasn't any hint ever that his father is named Kenway

HisSpiritLives
08-23-2012, 10:45 AM
We don't know, I think he is reffering to Kenway last name, that it supposedly comes from Ratonhnhké:ton's father. It could but Ubisoft consistently refers to English name as 'adopted by Connor to move easier among the colonists", which sound to me like he just made it up, or picked random English first and last name. IDK. There wasn't any hint ever that his father is named Kenway

Yes i think that i read somewhere, maybe on wiki, that he randomly picked name and surname.

LightRey
08-23-2012, 12:56 PM
Yes i think that i read somewhere, maybe on wiki, that he randomly picked name and surname.
I don't think it was ever confirmed specifically. In fact the fact that he had chosen his name was revealed before his last name was and I think many (including myself) assumed that he did not have one.
It seems odd though for him to "pick" an English surname. The only real reason I can imagine him choosing to do so would be if he would ever need to be addressed as Mr. Kenway.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-23-2012, 01:02 PM
It seems odd though for him to "pick" an English surname. The only real reason I can imagine him choosing to do so would be if he would ever need to be addressed as Mr. Kenway.Just as odd to pick the first name. They go together, I mean, in 'old world' culture people had 2 names and introduced themselves with both, if he wants to blend I think it's natural he would pick 2 as well.

Still, Alex said that the last name is some kind of a spoiler, not sure how, every magazine on the planet already said the 'Kenway' name :confused:

LightRey
08-23-2012, 01:15 PM
Just as odd to pick the first name. They go together, I mean, in 'old world' culture people had 2 names and introduced themselves with both, if he wants to blend I think it's natural he would pick 2 as well.

Still, Alex said that the last name is some kind of a spoiler, not sure how, every magazine on the planet already said the 'Kenway' name :confused:
No, not just as odd. It was actually quite common to do so and completely understandable if he wants to prevent people from arousing suspicion. It kinda draws attention if people keep calling you Ratonhnhaké:ton. Nobody is going to refer to him by his full (chosen) name all the time. One would think he'd really only have "need" for an English first name.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-23-2012, 01:28 PM
Nobody is going to refer to him by his full (chosen) name all the time.No, but one will expect him to introduce himself with his full English name. We do it nowadays too. When you meet someone, especially in more official setting, you introduce yourself with your first and last name.

Some other Mohawks during that era were given/adopting 2 English names as well. Thayendanegea - Joseph Brant.

LightRey
08-23-2012, 01:55 PM
No, but one will expect him to introduce himself with his full English name. We do it nowadays too. When you meet someone, especially in more official setting, you introduce yourself with your first and last name.

Some other Mohawks during that era were given/adopting 2 English names as well. Thayendanegea - Joseph Brant.
I wouldn't be so sure. Not unless he's posing as a nobleman or trying to gain the favor of one.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-23-2012, 04:09 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. Not unless he's posing as a nobleman or trying to gain the favor of one.

Every person from European culture had first and last name, not just noblemen

there76
09-24-2012, 03:36 AM
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4230/connor14.jpg

:rolleyes:

That might not prove anything. Look at these two pictures of Connor. The first picture looks more like it would be of him being 14, while in the other one he looks younger. The connor in the second picture has smaller hands and arms, and face looks more boyish.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_masjia9dJS1ru00pmo1_500.jpg

http://media1.gameinformer.com/imagefeed/featured/ubisoft/assassinscreed3/AC3_SC_SP_09_Cinematics_YoungConnor_ONLINEB.jpg


The second picture looks closer to the concept art of young Connor


http://www.ikogamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Assassins-Creed-III-Young-Connor-Concept-Art.jpg

This means the two screenshots are of are of different ages.

Assassin_M
09-24-2012, 03:38 AM
You do realize that this is a somewhat old thread, right ? That Pic was not available back then..

there76
09-24-2012, 03:39 AM
You do realize that this is a somewhat old thread, right ? That Pic was not available back then..

I do, I wanted hear what people thought now with the new information.

Assassin_M
09-24-2012, 03:41 AM
I do, I wanted hear what people thought now with the new information.
We sorta already knew that Connor would have 3 age renders before that pic. it was in one of the Inside Videos. They briefly showed 3 stages of Connor`s Face..

monster_rambo
09-24-2012, 03:59 AM
Do we even have confirmation that that's Charles Lee? I mean, maybe it's just a guy that looks like him?

"No idiota, he just happens to look exactly like the man"

tjbyrum1
09-24-2012, 04:34 AM
Who the **** is Charles Lee?

To Wikipedia!

eagleforlife1
09-24-2012, 05:53 AM
"No idiota, he just happens to look exactly like the man"

He doesn't look anything like him actually. The concept art of Charles Lee that was presented to the audience at Gamescom by Alex Hutchinson showed him clean-shaven with ginger hair. Not at all sure why people have assumed that that person holding Connor up to a tree must be Charles Lee. Particularly because with Connor at that age Lee still would have been a redcoat.

there76
09-24-2012, 05:58 AM
He doesn't look anything like him actually. The concept art of Charles Lee that was presented to the audience at Gamescom by Alex Hutchinson showed him clean-shaven with ginger hair. Not at all sure why people have assumed that that person holding Connor up to a tree must be Charles Lee. Particularly because with Connor at that age Lee still would have been a redcoat.

Because it looks exactly like him. The face structure is exactly the same. The hair color is the same as well, it looks brown not ginger.

Look at the forehead and eyebrows. The nose is also the same shape. The hair style is also the same.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/arun1910/Sameperson.jpg

RatonhnhakeFan
09-24-2012, 03:53 PM
That might not prove anything. Look at these two pictures of Connor. The first picture looks more like it would be of him being 14, while in the other one he looks younger. The connor in the second picture has smaller hands and arms, and face looks more boyish


The second picture looks closer to the concept art of young Connor

This means the two screenshots are of are of different ages.Agree with two different 'young' ages, but to me he is 14 in these two:
http://s42.radikal.ru/i098/1203/5a/795a2eee0736.jpg
http://media.vandalimg.com/640/15218/201232617920_4.jpg

And about 17 here:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_masjia9dJS1ru00pmo1_500.jpg

He has an adult body in the last picture already so I don't think he's 14 in it and even younger (like 11) in the picture with Lee

eagleforlife1
09-24-2012, 04:06 PM
Because it looks exactly like him. The face structure is exactly the same. The hair color is the same as well, it looks brown not ginger.

Look at the forehead and eyebrows. The nose is also the same shape. The hair style is also the same.

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac154/arun1910/Sameperson.jpg

I must have some kind of clinical eye problem then, because the guy holding Connor up to a tree looks more like Yoda than Charles Lee.

there76
09-24-2012, 09:28 PM
Agree with two different 'young' ages, but to me he is 14 in these two:
http://s42.radikal.ru/i098/1203/5a/795a2eee0736.jpg
http://media.vandalimg.com/640/15218/201232617920_4.jpg

And about 17 here:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_masjia9dJS1ru00pmo1_500.jpg

Seems like a big change from 17 to 18,

He has an adult body in the last picture already so I don't think he's 14 in it and even younger (like 11) in the picture with LeeIn this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_335806&feature=iv&src_vid=OhRgSpC_kQo&v=2C1mUH8QMNA)new video, if he was born in 1755, we see Connor at 18 in 1773. He looks much older than the the one of him in that photo. You don't change that much in one year that late in your teen years.