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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:03 AM
Exerpt from this book on Canadian soldier experience

"One of my crew, a New Zealander, he got the D.F.C. when our squadron was jumped by a whole bunch of Focke-Wulfs. This mid-upper gunner got the D.F.C. because our hydraulics were shot out and he had to handle the turret manually, which is quite a job in itself, and the Focke-Wulf was right in, you know, as close in as across that road, and blasting us with his cannons and this airgunner shot the Focke-Wulf with his pea shooter and it exploded and the propellor cartwheeled off and imbedded itself in our fuselage. We got home, though , and made it a squadron trophy in our mess.

This New Zealander, by the way, was the only guy I've ever known who could stand on his head and drink a pint of beer, bottoms up. A most interesting chap. He would take his hat off, put it on the floor, stand on his head, feet against the wall, hold this beer and I d I can still see him going "ulp, ulp, ulp."

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:03 AM
Exerpt from this book on Canadian soldier experience

"One of my crew, a New Zealander, he got the D.F.C. when our squadron was jumped by a whole bunch of Focke-Wulfs. This mid-upper gunner got the D.F.C. because our hydraulics were shot out and he had to handle the turret manually, which is quite a job in itself, and the Focke-Wulf was right in, you know, as close in as across that road, and blasting us with his cannons and this airgunner shot the Focke-Wulf with his pea shooter and it exploded and the propellor cartwheeled off and imbedded itself in our fuselage. We got home, though , and made it a squadron trophy in our mess.

This New Zealander, by the way, was the only guy I've ever known who could stand on his head and drink a pint of beer, bottoms up. A most interesting chap. He would take his hat off, put it on the floor, stand on his head, feet against the wall, hold this beer and I d I can still see him going "ulp, ulp, ulp."

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:23 AM
More stuff from soldier stories and experiences:

"We never wanted the Yanks around us, their air support. What those stupid bastards were going to do next, I don't even think the Lord on High knew.
In France they'd bomb anything. A jackrabbitin a field. Anything that moved. They bombed German,sure , but Canadians, British, their own, the Poles, anything that moved. And the thing was they couldn't hit anything. With the fighter bombers it wasw visual bombing. Map coordinates, a house, atree, a road and you find your target from there and go in. They coudn't do that. The mediums were a little better but the big boys, just little dots up there in the blue, they'rd be this village called Abbeville or something and 500 yards away there'd be another tiny one and bang, they'd try for Abbeville and get the other one. Why try for either?
Us? Oh, yeah, they knocked us around three or four times. Accidental, of course. Always accidental.
Then you'd see this little snotnose swaggering around the streets, these fighter bomber kids, playing the big shot.Well the big Texans were around and those combat teams were knocked around a bit and I'll tell ya there were many a snotnose with a flat and wide nose after that, these Texans were not going to take that crapola. "

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 02:50 AM
What nobody like my stories? Look I'm trying to practice typing, I typed that without looking at the screen you know, it's tough. Hence all the mistakes.......

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 05:54 AM
The first story was neat the second was an insult to american pilots in WWII.

As far as typing goes you look at the screen and type. Not the other way around.

Every take-off is optional, but every landing is mandatory!

XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 06:18 AM
psychopetey wrote:
- More stuff from soldier stories and experiences:
-
- "We never wanted the Yanks around us, their air
- support. What those stupid bastards were going to do
- next, I don't even think the Lord on High knew.
- In France they'd bomb anything. A jackrabbitin a
- field. Anything that moved. They bombed German,sure
- , but Canadians, British, their own, the Poles,
- anything that moved. And the thing was they
- couldn't hit anything. With the fighter bombers it
- wasw visual bombing. Map coordinates, a house,
- atree, a road and you find your target from there
- and go in. They coudn't do that. The mediums were a
- little better but the big boys, just little dots up
- there in the blue, they'rd be this village called
- Abbeville or something and 500 yards away there'd
- be another tiny one and bang, they'd try for
- Abbeville and get the other one. Why try for either?
-
-
- Us? Oh, yeah, they knocked us around three or four
- times. Accidental, of course. Always accidental.
- Then you'd see this little snotnose swaggering
- around the streets, these fighter bomber kids,
- playing the big shot.Well the big Texans were around
- and those combat teams were knocked around a bit and
- I'll tell ya there were many a snotnose with a flat
- and wide nose after that, these Texans were not
- going to take that crapola.


Who the hell is this according too?! I'm usually not overly touchy about these things,but THAT is an insult...

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 05:48 PM
These are just quotes from soldier interviews after the war, it's all about Canadian soldiers and I put the part about the Americans because I'm sure most people are from the US that visit this forum, just seemed it would cause some kind of reaction. You wouldn't want to have read the others about the American soldiers, or about the British or the French, seems the French civilians were assho_es to most soldiers after the Germans were out, ripping them off, raising the prices, It is fun to read the stories of the average guy. I have one from a pilot that was part of the fire bombing of Dresden and he has quite a touchy point to say, will add that one tonight. As well this story in Guam when these Canadians arrived with a supply shipment by boat and were met by 20 or so Americans based there, seems the guys were real bored and the war had already been through there and they wanted to fight the Canadians. A big fight went on for 1/2 and hour and with broken bones and noses, they all got it out of their system and were buddies after.

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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 05:52 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-02-2003, 06:07 PM
americans do tend to shot there own more than any other country /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 12:20 AM
p1ngu666 wrote:
- americans do tend to shot there own more than any
- other country <


Not really. Do some research and you'll find that the Germans and the British were quite good at it too.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:55 AM
Hey psycho,

You have been bashing Americans for the past two days with you little "innocent" posts. Do us all a favor, quit writing and start flying. If insist on writing but can't stop bashing why don't you go to some teenie internet chat room ok?

psychopetey wrote:
- These are just quotes from soldier interviews after
- the war, it's all about Canadian soldiers and I put
- the part about the Americans because I'm sure most
- people are from the US that visit this forum, just
- seemed it would cause some kind of reaction. You
- wouldn't want to have read the others about the
- American soldiers, or about the British or the
- French, seems the French civilians were assho_es to
- most soldiers after the Germans were out, ripping
- them off, raising the prices, It is fun to read the
- stories of the average guy. I have one from a pilot
- that was part of the fire bombing of Dresden and he
- has quite a touchy point to say, will add that one
- tonight. As well this story in Guam when these
- Canadians arrived with a supply shipment by boat and
- were met by 20 or so Americans based there, seems
- the guys were real bored and the war had already
- been through there and they wanted to fight the
- Canadians. A big fight went on for 1/2 and hour and
- with broken bones and noses, they all got it out of
- their system and were buddies after.
-
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- src="http://www.skalman.nu/worldwar2/bilder/su-air
- force.gif">

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 05:33 AM
We never wanted the Yanks around us, their air
-- support. What those stupid bastards were going to do
-- next, I don't even think the Lord on High knew....

I don't find it hard to believe or insulting.
We know during operation Cobra for example that friendly fire happened quite a bit. I can imagine i'd be pretty insulting to one of my own guys who dropped abomb on me.
It is just one persons experience.

Now if the poster has displayed a pattern of american baiting then why not ignore him rather than giving him a bump ??

Maybe I'm just partial to grunts as that's where most of my relatives have served. Sometimes they praise the flyboys sometimes they want to beat the daylights out of them.

Real war sucks.
But IL2 FB is fun.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 06:33 AM
oh my...such hostility. Do you guys even know if I'm an American or not? You don't do you.Oh relax these are just from a book written 50 years ago after the war, real soldier thoughts. You guys have to get out a little more, see some sunshine for a change. Read a book.

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 07:05 AM
"Me and my mates where doing some warm up maneuvers outside Kabul when this F16 pilot comes out of the blue and drops a bomb on us."
Oh please forgive me I couldnt resist /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 07:11 AM
Bah Humbug.....like Americans are the only ones who have friendly fire accidents....

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Message Edited on 10/03/0301:12AM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 09:40 AM
I am an Aussie, was it the British who saved Aus in WWII .... Nah! was it the Ruskies .... sh#t no! It was my US pals!!!! Which is why most Aussies will always stand by America.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 01:35 PM
Lunix wrote:
- "Me and my mates where doing some warm up maneuvers
- outside Kabul when this F16 pilot comes out of the
- blue and drops a bomb on us."
- Oh please forgive me I couldnt resist


The Brits are pretty good at "friendly fire" too. Just from memory:

1. The first RAF "kills" of the Battle of Britain were other RAF aircraft.

2. During the hunt for the Bismark the Royal Navy attacked one of its own warships.

3. In 1944 the Royal Navy attacked a French submarine.



The Germans did it too at times. I founsd these examples:

1. ".So secret was Operation Bodenplatte that the Germans own ground forces were not notified of the large formations of German fighters that would be flying overhead. This resulted in at least one casualty for the JG11 as they were assaulted by friendly fire on their way to Asch. Credit must be given to the German pilots for not breaking radio silence to call off the ground fire. On the return trip several more JG11 and many other German fighters fell to friendly fire before the German guns could be called off."

2. ".It is well known, that the cooperation between the German Kriegsmarine and the German Luftwaffe was not the best during World War 2. Instead of its own naval aviation- the Marineflieger -that the Kriegsmarine demanded for, it was depending on those aircraft the Luftwaffe was willing to give for naval operations. Even more, G√¬∂rings refusal to set those few aircraft that were available for naval warfare under Kriegsmarine command made it necessary to follow a long chain of command between the two branches of the German military to coordinate operations or even inform the other branch about individual operations that both branches would execute in the same area. This bad cooperation found its climax early in the war in February of 1940. The result was what today would be called friendly fire - and the loss of two German destroyers."


3. On 15 January 1945, Hofmann assumed command of 5./JG 26 but retained control of 8./JG 26. However, on 15 February, 8./JG 26 was disbanded and he became the permanent leader of 5./JG 26. Hofmann led a formation of eight Fw 190s from Drope on a Jabojagd mission in the Wesel-Bocholt area on 26 March 1945. The formation encountered USAAF B-26s near M√ľnster and he led a bounce of the RAF Tempest fighter escort shooting down one for his 44th victory. However, during the ensuing confusion Hofmann went missing. It was later determined he had been shot down by his wingman and crashed between Hassel√ľnne and Flechum. He had managed to bale out but was too low for his parachute to deploy.

XyZspineZyX
10-03-2003, 04:46 PM
"Real" war is hell...




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