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xXMrGR1NCHXx
08-08-2012, 03:28 PM
The past three tweets are (I'm guessing) teases or puzzles for the fans to figure out. Can we do it?

Tweet 1 - https://twitter.com/assassinscreed/status/233197713225822208

Tweet 2 - https://twitter.com/assassinscreed/status/233202595248865280

Tweet 3 - https://twitter.com/assassinscreed/status/233206218271903744

Sounds like it's S16's words, but I'm not sure.

Another tweet, saying it was tech issues - https://twitter.com/assassinscreed/status/233209481289412609

Stroonzje
08-08-2012, 03:42 PM
,excuses for the ****ups they did with the story

HelterSeltzer
08-08-2012, 03:44 PM
I don't think it's 16... It's Erudito but who is sure about Erudito's identity...? I AM HYPED...!

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Yeah, they're role-playing Erudito hack. It's fun ^^

akramss33
08-08-2012, 03:46 PM
_-_-_ Translates to M?

thekarlone
08-08-2012, 03:46 PM
Maybe 16 and Erudito are the same person.

math.sab
08-08-2012, 03:47 PM
Are we going to see some sort of Subject 18?

akramss33
08-08-2012, 03:48 PM
But 16's dead and he was stuck in the animus, not computer servers.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 03:50 PM
Maybe that's why they release Animus to public as a 'console'. Users are unaware that the machine would analyze their DNA and send results to Abstergo which looks for some specific person/ancestor

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 03:54 PM
https://twitter.com/AC_Wiki/status/233206721257021440

brefcourte
08-08-2012, 03:54 PM
pretty shure it is subject 16b

rileypoole1234
08-08-2012, 03:57 PM
That's cool. I didn't even notice those tweets before.:p

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 03:58 PM
I am alive.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 03:59 PM
https://twitter.com/AC_Wiki/status/233206721257021440
thats morse code, what does it translate to. i'll post it here:

.. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- .

lets translate this guys!

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:02 PM
thats morse code, what does it translate to. i'll post it here:

.. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- .

lets translate this guys!The translation is IAMALIVE like Slayer_WTF said

InnerIronMan
08-08-2012, 04:02 PM
obvious Morris code.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:03 PM
.. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- . means "I am alive" O_o

Lucy, is that you? xDDD

Warender101
08-08-2012, 04:03 PM
thats morse code, what does it translate to. i'll post it here: .. .- -- .- .-.. .. ...- .lets translate this guys!We already solved it. It translates to: IAMALIVE. The question is, where does it lead to next.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Lucy is totally alive and she's the Eve and will have babies with Desmond OMZG!!11 ;P

lonewarrior30
08-08-2012, 04:04 PM
who is alive? Lucy? Subject 16?

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:05 PM
when was the morse code thing sent?

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 04:06 PM
Why Erudito should use the same word used by 16? Maybe the same person? 16 is still alive?


Lucy is totally alive and she's the Eve and will have babies with Desmond OMZG!!11 ;P

DA FUQ.

Warender101
08-08-2012, 04:07 PM
I figured it out! It's Jonah Hill, as evidenced by this clip:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AagcYMKgvIA

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:08 PM
Celine Dion confirmed for AC3!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA0y1T7ddLw

Warender101
08-08-2012, 04:10 PM
Meh, my Jonah Hill joke was better, lol.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:11 PM
I figured it out! It's Jonah Hill, as evidenced by this clip:

lol))) remind's me Lucy's death)

GunnarGunderson
08-08-2012, 04:11 PM
Probably mentioned already, but 16 died today

Warender101
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Ok, joking around aside, this MIGHT be the start of a new viral ARG or something similar to it. We need to keep all eyes out for more clues.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Probably mentioned already, but 16 died today
:O Indeed!

Hope the Twitter posts something more!

GLHS
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
So, what about the morse code in the other tweets? I'm too lazy right now to go decode them.

Also, this is quite confusing considering the info that we've gotten to this point. He supposedly dies (gets deleted, whatever) in AC:R to save Desmond, and they have said in interviews past that the glyph system is returning, but they aren't messages from Clay. They've also said that his story is finished as far as they're concerned, but of course it's not impossible that something about him surface. And now these tweets. So...which is it?

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
Celine Dion confirmed for AC3!


and this scene shows us how Lucy flying back)) I'm waiting for you dear!!!

InnerIronMan
08-08-2012, 04:12 PM
@ brad that was not mentioned yet good catch.

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 04:13 PM
I think I understand. In AC, Clay died on 8 August. Today is August 8, then in the real world Clay is dead now, and does everyone know he's alive. In short, nothing to worry about. It 's only one found funny.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:14 PM
we don't want Clay, we want Lucy((

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:15 PM
I think I understand. In AC, Clay died on 8 August. Today is August 8, then in the real world Clay is dead now, and does everyone know he's alive.
And with Clay dead, Abstergo starts the search for S17 - Desmond.

So... nothing to look here lol. It's basically a recap of what happened since the real-life dates are finally aligning with the dates from the past games

InnerIronMan
08-08-2012, 04:16 PM
why do we want the traitorous ***** lucy back?

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:16 PM
if 16 is still alive then it could mean only a few things:

1. lucy has covered up him dying

2. vidic has covered up him dying

3. all the above

or, my favourite 4. he is alive in the animus, (like in revelations, except that version of 16 was a copy). basically like what happened in source code. but the animus in abstergo is connected to a mainframe of other animuses. hence the multiplayer. this leads me to believe that clay kaczmarek IS erudito. he has access to the templar mainframe. as we've seen this is connected to the computers giving him access to secure sites. the leaked multiplayer trailer for AC3 shows an erudito hacks type thing which could be explained previously


however i'm probably totally wrong

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:19 PM
why do we want the traitorous ***** lucy back?

I don't believe she's traitor, lame tetris dlc will never convince me(

lonewarrior30
08-08-2012, 04:19 PM
quote from the AC wiki ''On Monday, 4 July 2011, Erudito hacked into the DDS main page (http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=128849663818621), and proceeded to change the logo into a red and inverted version of the Abstergo logo, under which read "-_-Erudito Industries-_-". ......'' so It has definitely something to do with Erudito

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 04:20 PM
And with Clay dead, Abstergo starts the search for S17 - Desmond.

So... nothing to look here lol. It's basically a recap of what happened since the real-life dates are finally aligning with the dates from the past games

Exactly. Let's say that now included the history of AC. Probably in the next few days will tell us that Des was kidnapped etc.

TheHumanTowel
08-08-2012, 04:26 PM
Exactly. Let's say that now included the history of AC. Probably in the next few days will tell us that Des was kidnapped etc.
That's such a disappointment but it makes the most sense. S16 can't be alive. The devs have said his story is over. Lucy was buried so her fate is pretty clear. I expect in September they'll tweet a fake newpaper headline like "New York Bartender missing". And I got all excited thinking this was a hint to AC3's story. However there's still the issue of Erudito. It could have something to do with him/her/them.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 04:27 PM
That's such a disappointment but it makes the most sense. S16 can't be alive. The devs have said his story is over. Lucy was buried so her fate is pretty clear. I expect in September they'll tweet a fake newpaper headline like "New York Bartender missing". And I got all excited thinking this was a hint to AC3's story. However there's still the issue of Erudito. It could have something to do with him/her/them.

Yeah, I got excited too :( We'll see, but if they post "bartender/Desmond kidnapped" stuff, we will know it's probably just a recap

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:32 PM
i think Edrudito is about like an anti abstergo team... hence the upside down Abstergo logo

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 04:33 PM
Erudito is neutral.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:34 PM
it's probably just a recap


Yeah, this makes sense, after all we live in a later period than they are. What a pity, I will never see Lucy again (

lonewarrior30
08-08-2012, 04:36 PM
soo what I just thought...we maybe playing as a different protagonist that is in the present while the team searches for desmond...?

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:37 PM
then what does the IAMALIVE refer to?

TheHumanTowel
08-08-2012, 04:39 PM
then what does the IAMALIVE refer to?
I'm guessing 16 uploading himself to the animus. He is still alive in there in a way. But he was deleted in ACR

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:41 PM
Yeah exactly people are being to naive Assassins Creed is always very in-depth we all know this and there is defiantly something more to this and i think we will learn more when we play the game or even at games com or on twitter so lets keep our eyes open!

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:42 PM
I'm guessing 16 uploading himself to the animus. He is still alive in there in a way. But he was deleted in ACR
unless he made multiple copies

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:44 PM
unless he made multiple copies

Yeah remember the memory core in AC II he was in that so he is in Abstergo's Animus and Demsond's

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:44 PM
Maybe Erudito talked about himself? Sounds logical

anik_lc
08-08-2012, 04:45 PM
Oh Lucy you are alive, you bloody Templar!

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:46 PM
I think it is Lucy

MT4K
08-08-2012, 04:47 PM
I was thinking the "i am alive" thing sounds familiar, and then it occured to me. There was that Achievement in Brotherhood written in Morse Code that you got for solving all of Subject 16's Puzzles which translated to "i am alive" :P.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:48 PM
Oh Lucy you are alive, you bloody Templar!
do not insult my Lucy with your own guesses))

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:48 PM
with lucy it doesn't make sense, she wouldn't send it in morse code, clay would make more sense because we know he copied himself at least once into the animus. so he would have hacked into the website and given this code.

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:49 PM
I was thinking the "i am alive" thing sounds familiar, and then it occured to me. There was that Achievement in Brotherhood written in Morse Code that you got for solving all of Subject 16's Puzzles which translated to "i am alive" :P.

Holy **** man you are a genius i completely forgot about that man i think we're onto something here :D

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 04:51 PM
Holy **** man you are a genius i completely forgot about that man i think we're onto something here :D
not really, that proves its a recap. it is however still possible that clay copied himself more than once. i think he copied himself into the abstergo mainframe giving himself access to their information. erudito

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:52 PM
Holy **** man you are a genius i completely forgot about that man i think we're onto something here :D

Erudito could just reproduce the phrase. It proves nothing

nightcobra
08-08-2012, 04:52 PM
*inhales*
....

since the grand temple is the place where all of the "TOWCB" knowledge is supposed to be stored along with their plans to save the world, the nexus of time control mechanism should be there. what if that machine allows desmond to talk to juno (more like allows juno to see desmond's answer in her time, basicly looking into the future), then juno talks to william miles about their plan to free lucy from vidic and the templar eyes warning him to not say reveal anything of this plan until the time is right, juno then makes desmond stab lucy but just enough for her to fall unconscious from the shock and to make desmond enter the comatose state for him to heal his mind through the animus later on, the funeral is then staged with only william miles knowing what's going on at this point in time, after desmond tells of this moment of opportunity to juno in the grand temple, william knows that this would be the right time and reveals to desmond that the plan succeeded and that lucy is fine. so that gets you adam and eve modern counterparts (desmond and lucy) and now they'd need someone who could learn how to work the machines from the grand temple in a short amount of time....S16 could have made a backup copy of himself and thus still resides in the animus, therefore they could upload him into the grand temple's machinery and see what happens.

phew, felt like i was channeling S16's broken psyche voice for a moment there.

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:53 PM
not really, that proves its a recap. it is however still possible that clay copied himself more than once. i think he copied himself into the abstergo mainframe giving himself access to their information. erudito

yeah thats what i thought when he died in Desmond's Animus he was still alive in Abstergo's so i do think this is something bigger than just a recap

xXMrGR1NCHXx
08-08-2012, 04:55 PM
I think this is much bigger than a recap. S16 must of copied himself multiple times.

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:56 PM
*inhales*
....

since the grand temple is the place where all of the "TOWCB" knowledge is supposed to be stored along with their plans to save the world, the nexus of time control mechanism should be there. what if that machine allows desmond to talk to juno (more like allows juno to see desmond's answer in her time, basicly looking into the future), then juno talks to william miles about their plan to free lucy from vidic and the templar eyes warning him to not say reveal anything of this plan until the time is right, juno then makes desmond stab lucy but just enough for her to fall unconscious from the shock and to make desmond enter the comatose state for him to heal his mind through the animus later on, the funeral is then staged with only william miles knowing what's going on at this point in time, after desmond tells of this moment of opportunity to juno in the grand temple, william knows that this would be the right time and reveals to desmond that the plan succeeded and that lucy is fine.

phew, felt like i was channeling S16's broken psyche voice for a moment there.

Come to think of it man that makes sense William was the closest to Lucy and he would be the only one who could do this and basically your saying Lucy faked her death

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:57 PM
I think this is much bigger than a recap. S16 must of copied himself multiple times.

S16 could be planning something big to take down Abstergos Mainframe and imagine what 100 copies or even 1000 could do to Abstergo to be honest if this is true Desmond is not the main protagonist of the AC Games Clay is!

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 04:58 PM
basically your saying Lucy faked her death
It would be great

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 04:58 PM
hey guys i made a video about this stuff come and check it out! http://youtu.be/NHbc6FDp-EA

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 05:00 PM
It would be great
i think it would be to i would love to see an Epic return of Lucy!

xXMrGR1NCHXx
08-08-2012, 05:01 PM
S16 could be planning something big to take down Abstergos Mainframe and imagine what 100 copies or even 1000 could do to Abstergo to be honest if this is true Desmond is not the main protagonist of the AC Games Clay is!
If this is S16 "tweeting" out, it could be a message to the assassins that he is with them, on the inside to take down Abstergo and the Templars.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 05:03 PM
I don't understand why is everyone so excited about Clay -_-

Poodle_of_Doom
08-08-2012, 05:20 PM
https://twitter.com/AC_Wiki/status/233206721257021440


Wow... Glad S16 is still with us...


who is alive? Lucy? Subject 16?

Has to be 16. He's used this message before.


So, what about the morse code in the other tweets? I'm too lazy right now to go decode them.

Also, this is quite confusing considering the info that we've gotten to this point. He supposedly dies (gets deleted, whatever) in AC:R to save Desmond, and they have said in interviews past that the glyph system is returning, but they aren't messages from Clay. They've also said that his story is finished as far as they're concerned, but of course it's not impossible that something about him surface. And now these tweets. So...which is it?

Would be nice to figure out who Erudito is wouldn't it?



or, my favourite 4. he is alive in the animus, (like in revelations, except that version of 16 was a copy). basically like what happened in source code. but the animus in abstergo is connected to a mainframe of other animuses. hence the multiplayer. this leads me to believe that clay kaczmarek IS erudito. he has access to the templar mainframe. as we've seen this is connected to the computers giving him access to secure sites. the leaked multiplayer trailer for AC3 shows an erudito hacks type thing which could be explained previously


however i'm probably totally wrong

I'm going with this!

NuclearFuss
08-08-2012, 05:21 PM
I think you guys are over analysing this. Today is the date of 16's death. These tweets are sort of his last words.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 05:23 PM
but how did clay get into rebeccas animus? i hear you ask

why through the memory stick thing that lucy stole from abstergo and gave to rebecca in AC2. and juno told clay to help desmond, but he couldn't do that without lucy giving the memory stick to rebecca. which could mean that lucy was still helping clay.

brefcourte
08-08-2012, 05:24 PM
lucy was desmonds mom!

Steww-
08-08-2012, 05:25 PM
So there's two possibilities.
1. It could be a clue for AC3. So even though the date in the real world compared to game world would mean ACII hasn't happened yet, for Erudito it has.

Or, the one I think more likely:
2. The posts were made using in-game time. As in, for whoever posted them tweets, Desmond hasn't even escaped Abstergo yet. This would make sense, as when Subject 16 says "IAMALIVE", it would mean he has just uploaded himself to the mainframe. And from that information, it seems very likely that Erudito is a copy of S16. Would he be able to get the info otherwise? Perhaps from an Abstergo e-mail, but I'm not sure. Seems more likely the man who worked out how to upload his conscious would also be able to hack Abstergo so much.

I realise I'm pretty much repeating what's been said before, but I'm trying to get things clear in my head xD

Chariflame
08-08-2012, 05:31 PM
First of all... wow. I had my hopes up, but I never thought we'd get mentions of Sixteen again, just a tribute on his deathday is brilliant.

The Twitter account redirecting everyone to discuss it all on this thread makes it all seem more relevant and serious that what I'd initially assumed. Other than leaving some Erudito tidbits, I think this is just a tribute to Sixteen. The classic IAMALIVE is from Brotherhood and signifies the point he is reborn as an AI consciousness, today being the day he died also means it's the day he uploaded himself into the Animus mainframe.

I'm not sure if anything will come from this, but let me tell you I will be over the moon if there's some deeper meaning here. The way Sixteen has been disregarded recently breaks my heart. :'(

Acrimonious_Nin
08-08-2012, 05:34 PM
unless he made multiple copies


I think this is much bigger than a recap. S16 must of copied himself multiple times.

Actually you may be right...In AC2 didn't Lucy tell Rebecca that she brought "a copy" of the animus core for them ? does that mean that the original is still in tact ? lol I am assuming that the copy theory is going to be more realistic than this Lucy coming back without a shroud or ankh myth :D

Would Abstergo give Lucy the entire real core for there project siren ? I don't think Abstergo is that dumb....so this must be one of there many flaws that is mentioned in the twitter is that they forgot that S16 is still in the other machine.....bored out of his mind hence the tweets lmao XD

I mean just to add on what if S16 was being literal when he said, "I am with you till the end.." and >_> well the end is near...so he must be hear <-- see what I did there lol /end horrible joke.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 05:52 PM
okay, so this is basically my theory bundled together:

clay is 'killed' because of being in the animus too long, so while his physical body is technically dead. his mental form remains alive inside the animus. as a copy. being inside what is essentially the abstergo computer mainframe he makes multiple copies of himself. like a virus taking over a computer but on a much larger scale. these copies can gain access to secure areas. clay is somewhat of a computer technician as revealed in the lost archives, this would explain how he managed to get in so deep. accessing the database through dying was a cut in the skin, once opened the possibilities are endless. this explains erudito.clay kaczmakek IS Erudito. he managed to access the database, meaning he can access the templar training facility, which is what william wanted all along (as revealed in the lost archives DLC).

clay kaczmarek dying while in the animus was all part of the plan. however he was told by juno while in the animus that he had to help desmond. the only way he could help him was to get to him. and to get to him he needed to get access to rebeccas animus, which is of course part of a different mainframe. he made clues through glyphs revealing himself to desmond. now all he needed was a way of getting to that animus. 'luckily' for him, lucy has brought the memory core to rebecca. she stole it from abstergo and gave it to rebecca in AC2. soon later desmond receives clays clues and discovers he is still alive.

unfortunately this is as far clay can go. he can't help desmond at the moment, what desmond needs is something that will simulate what happened to clay without him actually dying. a coma. juno foresaw this and so had to find a way to get desmond into a coma. so she got him to kill lucy. yay. now clay can talk to desmond and he can reach the nexus of time. now he knows how he can save the world. but one more thing needs to be noted...

Lucy, was not, and is not a templar. she and clay had been in communications through the animus after he had died. and she knew that the only way to get clay to desmond was through the memory core. it was too dangerous for clay to try and contact desmond while vidic was there to make sure things went smoothly. a break out would be easiest. or even better. an excuse. she convinced vidic that having desmond in a comfortable atmosphere with people he trusted would be more efficient. Vidic agreed and so the break out was performed. we heard these exchanges between vidic and lucy in the lost archives and assumed that she was a templar. which is not the case. she is however, dead. probably not something in the plan that she was aware of, but something that juno and clay were aware of.


that was a lot of typing so i can't really be bothered to go back and proof read it. but ill do it at some point i'll happily answer any questions. i thought of making this a thread but decided that ill post here and ill make it a thread if you think it deserves one

Steww-
08-08-2012, 06:04 PM
Nice post Freddie. I would like the paragraph about Lucy to be true, and the scenario you mentioned does make sense.
Still, she showed details of Rebecca's animus to the Templars (see the MP Files) and was e-mailing someone that pretended to be William during Brotherhood, so there are things to be explained. Also the e-mail she leaves clay is probably the hardest to explain away.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 06:08 PM
Nice post Freddie. I would like the paragraph about Lucy to be true, and the scenario you mentioned does make sense.
Still, she showed details of Rebecca's animus to the Templars (see the MP Files) and was e-mailing someone that pretended to be William during Brotherhood, so there are things to be explained. Also the e-mail she leaves clay is probably the hardest to explain away.
obviously there are holes in the story, but i think they could all be explained in someway by someone with a higher intellect than myself.

i think i will make a new thread. its not really on topic on this thread

pacmanate
08-08-2012, 06:25 PM
lucy was desmonds mom!

This is all anyone needs to know.

welfy2009
08-08-2012, 06:39 PM
there is now a video up discussing this stuff!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHbc6FDp-EA&feature=youtu.be

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Lucy, was not, and is not a templar. she and clay had been in communications through the animus after he had died. and she knew that the only way to get clay to desmond was through the memory core. it was too dangerous for clay to try and contact desmond while vidic was there to make sure things went smoothly. a break out would be easiest. or even better. an excuse. she convinced vidic that having desmond in a comfortable atmosphere with people he trusted would be more efficient. Vidic agreed and so the break out was performed. we heard these exchanges between vidic and lucy in the lost archives and assumed that she was a templar. which is not the case. she is however, dead. probably not something in the plan that she was aware of, but something that juno and clay were aware of.
Splendid!

MilosJ77
08-08-2012, 07:08 PM
That's such a disappointment but it makes the most sense. S16 can't be alive. The devs have said his story is over. Lucy was buried so her fate is pretty clear. I expect in September they'll tweet a fake newpaper headline like "New York Bartender missing". And I got all excited thinking this was a hint to AC3's story. However there's still the issue of Erudito. It could have something to do with him/her/them.
It wouldn't make any sense if they wrote about Desmond's kidnapping, because S16 gets erased after his kidnapping.

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 07:14 PM
do not insult my Lucy with your own guesses))

Don't wanna hurt your feelings but lucy was a templar trator, and yeah, she's dead :).
Deal with it.

TinyTemplar
08-08-2012, 07:20 PM
Don't wanna hurt your feelings but lucy was a templar trator, and yeah, she's dead :).
Deal with it.
tetris dlc is not a proof)

MilosJ77
08-08-2012, 07:21 PM
but how did clay get into rebeccas animus? i hear you ask

why through the memory stick thing that lucy stole from abstergo and gave to rebecca in AC2. and juno told clay to help desmond, but he couldn't do that without lucy giving the memory stick to rebecca. which could mean that lucy was still helping clay.
Mind=Blown

rytis2009
08-08-2012, 07:32 PM
eruise

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 07:45 PM
tetris dlc is not a proof)

Yes it is, DLC is canon. Doesn't matter if it's "tetris" or not.

ACfan443
08-08-2012, 07:53 PM
Sorry if people already know this, or if it's already been brought up, but didn't Clay die on 8th August 2012, which is today, so the tweets might just be a homage to him.

EDIT: didn't actually see all of the tweets until now and realised there's more to it than that.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 08:05 PM
Yes it is, DLC is canon. Doesn't matter if it's "tetris" or not.
The DLC didn't say she was evil, it implied it. And things that are implied can be wrong, so he's right, the tetris DLC is not proof

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 08:12 PM
The DLC didn't say she was evil, it implied it. And things that are implied can be wrong, so he's right, the tetris DLC is not proof

Her being a templar trator doesn't mean she's evil, she probably thought the templars were speaking the truth and that their actions would be the best for mankind (the naïve *****).

Agent_A910
08-08-2012, 08:12 PM
but how did clay get into rebeccas animus? i hear you ask

why through the memory stick thing that lucy stole from abstergo and gave to rebecca in AC2. and juno told clay to help desmond, but he couldn't do that without lucy giving the memory stick to rebecca. which could mean that lucy was still helping clay.
I agree with this. When the memory stick was removed from the Animus, it was just a copy. Clay could have copied himself onto the memory stick, and then established a small like between himself and the copy. That would definitely explain the Morse code that says I am alive.

Also, I may be going down a dead end here, so correct me if I am being stupid, but has anyone noticed that if you write down all of the capital letters from the three tweets, then it spells out HATTHEYATLTTT, which could, if you put in spaces become HAT THEY AT LTTT. The THEY AT part seems interesting itself. I don't know if the LTTT stands for anything or the HAT means anything, but again, I could be going down a dead end here.

awesomejr97
08-08-2012, 08:24 PM
okay, so this is basically my theory bundled together:

clay is 'killed' because of being in the animus too long, so while his physical body is technically dead. his mental form remains alive inside the animus. as a copy. being inside what is essentially the abstergo computer mainframe he makes multiple copies of himself. like a virus taking over a computer but on a much larger scale. these copies can gain access to secure areas. clay is somewhat of a computer technician as revealed in the lost archives, this would explain how he managed to get in so deep. accessing the database through dying was a cut in the skin, once opened the possibilities are endless. this explains erudito.clay kaczmakek IS Erudito. he managed to access the database, meaning he can access the templar training facility, which is what william wanted all along (as revealed in the lost archives DLC).

clay kaczmarek dying while in the animus was all part of the plan. however he was told by juno while in the animus that he had to help desmond. the only way he could help him was to get to him. and to get to him he needed to get access to rebeccas animus, which is of course part of a different mainframe. he made clues through glyphs revealing himself to desmond. now all he needed was a way of getting to that animus. 'luckily' for him, lucy has brought the memory core to rebecca. she stole it from abstergo and gave it to rebecca in AC2. soon later desmond receives clays clues and discovers he is still alive.

unfortunately this is as far clay can go. he can't help desmond at the moment, what desmond needs is something that will simulate what happened to clay without him actually dying. a coma. juno foresaw this and so had to find a way to get desmond into a coma. so she got him to kill lucy. yay. now clay can talk to desmond and he can reach the nexus of time. now he knows how he can save the world. but one more thing needs to be noted...

Lucy, was not, and is not a templar. she and clay had been in communications through the animus after he had died. and she knew that the only way to get clay to desmond was through the memory core. it was too dangerous for clay to try and contact desmond while vidic was there to make sure things went smoothly. a break out would be easiest. or even better. an excuse. she convinced vidic that having desmond in a comfortable atmosphere with people he trusted would be more efficient. Vidic agreed and so the break out was performed. we heard these exchanges between vidic and lucy in the lost archives and assumed that she was a templar. which is not the case. she is however, dead. probably not something in the plan that she was aware of, but something that juno and clay were aware of.


that was a lot of typing so i can't really be bothered to go back and proof read it. but ill do it at some point i'll happily answer any questions. i thought of making this a thread but decided that ill post here and ill make it a thread if you think it deserves one



This is the most logical theory but i like to add on that maybe cause today is the day that clay dies clay/erudito is posting all this stuff in the animus real time and will be hacking and doing all types of strange stuff like this from now till the date that Revalations ends and clay gets deleted and then its up Desmond to save the world but i guess we will all just find out October 30th in AC3.

awesomejr97
08-08-2012, 08:48 PM
oh yeah and i also found out that erudito is Italian and Spanish for scholar which is kind of interesting but what i found more interesting is its also Latin for cultured no me i think of subject 16 as avery cultured person

Gil_217
08-08-2012, 08:50 PM
@ freddie_1897

And the fact that Lucy wasn't a Templar can actually be explained quite easily. What if the Assassins sent Lucy to Abstergo with the mission for her to "defect" to the Templar cause, when in fact she didn't. She had to reveal to them that she was an Assassin in order for them to think that they now had the advantage of using Lucy against the Assassins, when it was the exact opposite.

With this said, I consider this scenario unlikely.

Eskaminzim
08-08-2012, 09:27 PM
Why are you guys saying Lucy isn't a Templar? Didn't they explicitly explain that she IS in TLA DLC? Didn't she give Clay a letter saying sorry that she wasn't going to break him out of Abstergo anymore? I know you guys want Lucy to come back, but it just ain't gonna happen. Your theory sounds just way to convoluted to be true. I suppose anything's possible though...

twenty_glyphs
08-08-2012, 09:28 PM
These tweets are from Erudito, as evidenced by the image saying "Erudito Industries" that the Assassin's Creed Twitter account avatar turned into briefly. Also, in the past Erudito has always used little emoticons like "-_-" in a lot of his communications, just like today. Erudito first showed up in Project Legacy almost 2 years ago, unlocking extra memories that Abstergo didn't necessarily want the subjects to see. He's hacked into the DDS Twitter account (Project Legacy's Twitter account) and the Project Legacy page in the past. Based on the multiplayer trailer that was leaked from SDCC, it appears he'll be helping hack and unlock information in the multiplayer portion of AC3.

The Encyclopedia said it was unknown if Erudito is an individual hacker or a team of hackers, but they are definitely opposed to Abstergo and have spent a lot of time hacking into their systems. The AC team has sort of used Erudito as a way to interface between the fans in the real world and the story of Assassin's Creed. Erudito exists within the world of the brand, but he also interacts with fans through Twitter accounts, emails in Project Legacy, and an email when people ordered a hoodie from UbiWorkshop that led people to unlock the emails on the Abstergo Industries website.

I see almost no evidence to suggest that Erudito is Subject 16. Today's tweets even further cement that he likely is not Subject 16, since the tweets are lamenting the fact that Subject 16 died today. I am excited to see him return since he wasn't mentioned at all in Revelations after being such an intriguing entity introduced just before Brotherhood came out. Since the real world dates are starting to line up with the fictional story dates, I wouldn't be surprised to see Erudito tweeting messages and clues about Desmond being captured, the week he spends at Abstergo, and his "escape". I could also see him tweeting something in late September about how he's hacked the Hephaestus Email Network and sent Desmond the passwords to Lucy, Rebecca and Shaun's email accounts. I wonder what role he'll play in the story going forward.

Eskaminzim
08-08-2012, 09:34 PM
Good points twenty_glyphs. I wonder what's gonna happen on the real world date when it's 72 days from Abstergo's satelite launch. I like where they're going with this. :]

Kaschra
08-08-2012, 09:36 PM
I assume this is just a homage to Clay, since this day is the day he died, but I really like the theories some people came up here in this thread. Who knows, maybe it IS more than just a recap, maybe it Is a hint. I hope AC3 will reveal who Erudito is.

In AC1, there's this email adressed to Vidic:
I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID. I SAW HIM. HE HAD A METAL BALL. IT OPENED. THEY WENT CRAZY. SHOOTING. STABBING. TORE EACH OTHER TO PIECES. I KNOW IT WAS YOU PEOPLE. SAW THE LOGO. HEARD THE NAME. I'M GOING TO TELL. ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN. YOU'LL BE EXPOSED. THEY'LL KNOW THE TRUTH. AND THEN YOU WILL PAY. YOU CRAZY BASTARDS. YOU'LL PAY.
It's obviously talking about an apple of eden. The question is: WHO the heck sent this email?
I thought of Erudito, but we still don't know who that is, a person, a group like Anonymous... the person who sent this mail has seen the piece of eden with his own eyes... I doubt there are a lot of people who did that. Clay possibly did it, through one of his ancestors.
I hope Ubi doesn't forget about that :/

Eskaminzim
08-08-2012, 09:43 PM
I always wondered why Vidic got that email though. I mean, it's not like he's a public face of Abstergo or even a known pesident of it. So how does he know Vidic?

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 09:44 PM
That is a good point twenty_glyphs, the reason I thought it would make sense if clay was erudito is because it is mentioned in tla that he had a computing course, and the fact he made one copy of himself in the animus means he could make more, and with a knowledge of computing and the fact that he's actually in the abstergo mainframe makes him the worlds most dangerous virus. A virus with thoughts and emotion. He hates abstergo, I don't know. It's a flawed theory but it just seems like it could work

Felix-Vivo
08-08-2012, 09:51 PM
Haven't read through the whole thread yet but as far as I'm aware they have confirmed that Clay's story is 100% done... right? Jeffrey Yohalem even said they hadn't ruled anything out and that we'll see and was very ambiguous.

meh I just really want him to be back ok yup

rob.davies2014
08-08-2012, 09:51 PM
At this point in the game world Clay had physically died but was still "alive" as an artificial recreation of his personality within the Animus, he died completely later after helping Desmond.

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 10:03 PM
At this point in the game world Clay had physically died but was still "alive" as an artificial recreation of his personality within the Animus, he died completely later after helping Desmond.
This is what my theory bases itself off, if clay made one copy, he can make more. It is well known that erudito is either an individual or a group of seven, but what if it's both? 7 copies of one man, 7 fragmentations. 1 of those copies is destroyed but 6 more remain in various parts of the abstergo database, he's made a cut in the body and got past the first defense of abstergo by dying and entering the animus mainframe in a mental form, and he's dug his way deeper uncovering more and more. Clay kaczmarek is no longer alive, but he's taken on a different form and become erudito.

TheHumanTowel
08-08-2012, 10:08 PM
Haven't read through the whole thread yet but as far as I'm aware they have confirmed that Clay's story is 100% done... right? Jeffrey Yohalem even said they hadn't ruled anything out and that we'll see and was very ambiguous.

meh I just really want him to be back ok yup
It seems more likely that this is kind of a reference to Clay's death and uploading himself to the animus as he died on this day in-game. But yeah nothing is set in stone there are a few ways they could bring him back.

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 10:25 PM
This is what my theory bases itself off, if clay made one copy, he can make more. It is well known that erudito is either an individual or a group of seven, but what if it's both? 7 copies of one man, 7 fragmentations. 1 of those copies is destroyed but 6 more remain in various parts of the abstergo database, he's made a cut in the body and got past the first defense of abstergo by dying and entering the animus mainframe in a mental form, and he's dug his way deeper uncovering more and more. Clay kaczmarek is no longer alive, but he's taken on a different form and become erudito.

iF that's true, it would be very stupid not to mention it to Desmond in ACR.

twenty_glyphs
08-08-2012, 10:29 PM
Well, Subject 16 could have made multiple copies of himself, but remember he also split that copy up into 10 different pieces that Desmond had to reassemble. It seems that Subject 16's digital copy wasn't fully functional until Desmond collected all 10 fragments and Rebecca ran the executable file. It would be strange if Subject 16 split up only one copy of himself for security, but left the other one completely intact, sending out emails as Erudito.

dxsxhxcx
08-08-2012, 10:30 PM
I think the only problem with this theory of S16 being Erudito is that (if I'm not wrong) Erudito started being used by Ubisoft on 2010 and I believe S16 was only able to hack the animus after he was captured by Abstergo in 2011, so Erudito was in action before Clay had access to all the information he provided us later in the game...

Acrimonious_Nin
08-08-2012, 10:32 PM
Well the theory of yours sounds interesting, but you have to remember that Lucy made a copy of the animus core...and in consequence made a copy of S16...the original copy must still be in the animus that Desmond was using..>_>

SixKeys
08-08-2012, 10:34 PM
iF that's true, it would be very stupid not to mention it to Desmond in ACR.

This. Clay making a copy of himself would feel like a cheap plotpoint. I kind of want them to be done with his story already, even though I wasn't really satisfied with the way they tied things up in ACR.

I like the idea of real life "counting down" to AC3 via these tweets. Maybe they can do other stuff as well, like post a photoshopped news article titled "Bartender Kidnapped In New York, Police Baffled" or something when the events from Desmond's story start lining up. :)

rob.davies2014
08-08-2012, 10:45 PM
This is what my theory bases itself off, if clay made one copy, he can make more. It is well known that erudito is either an individual or a group of seven, but what if it's both? 7 copies of one man, 7 fragmentations. 1 of those copies is destroyed but 6 more remain in various parts of the abstergo database, he's made a cut in the body and got past the first defense of abstergo by dying and entering the animus mainframe in a mental form, and he's dug his way deeper uncovering more and more. Clay kaczmarek is no longer alive, but he's taken on a different form and become erudito.
Interesting theory, how do you know that, if Erudito is a group, it consists of seven members?

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 10:46 PM
This. Clay making a copy of himself would feel like a cheap plotpoint. I kind of want them to be done with his story already, even though I wasn't really satisfied with the way they tied things up in ACR.

I like the idea of real life "counting down" to AC3 via these tweets. Maybe they can do other stuff as well, like post a photoshopped news article titled "Bartender Kidnapped In New York, Police Baffled" or something when the events from Desmond's story start lining up. :)

Indeed. Clay already looked kinda stupid in ACR by leaving out very important information (like the things he said in ACB).
Ofcourse i understand that would take away the mystery but forgetting to tell something like having 7 other copies of himself in the system would make him look like a really stupid guy.
This would make no sense considering that he was pretty smart and knowledgeable.

YuurHeen
08-08-2012, 10:50 PM
just want to say something to the people wanting lucy back.

You are biased. you ignore evidence. you even ignore more evidence that has been put in the game only because some people needed to be clear about that she is dead. It is like people who think the moon landing was fake or people who think the world is really ending in 2012.

It aint gonna happen!

nightcobra
08-08-2012, 10:52 PM
Indeed. Clay already looked kinda stupid in ACR by leaving out very important information (like the things he said in ACB).
Ofcourse i understand that would take away the mystery but forgetting to tell something like having 7 other copies of himself in the system would make him look like a really stupid guy.
This would make no sense considering that he was pretty smart and knowledgeable.

maybe copying himself into different partitions was his only way to retain his sanity within the animus with the one we saw in revelations being one of the "sanest" versions and the one in brotherhood being one of the more afflicted by the bleeding effect.

Acrimonious_Nin
08-08-2012, 10:54 PM
omg it just hit me...'It's happened before...." it seems according to the wiki today is when Abstergo started their search for Desmond Miles. We are repeating a cycle O.o soon, around the 1st week of september, the tweets will say "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID.HE HELD A METAL BALL...." I mean look at how Ubisoft has gotten the fans to actually interact with their story line...I would not be surprised if the above post is right about article showing up about a bartender being kidnapped....>_> would be friggin epic though..."_"

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 10:55 PM
Well the theory of yours sounds interesting, but you have to remember that Lucy made a copy of the animus core...and in consequence made a copy of S16...the original copy must still be in the animus that Desmond was using..>_>
You mean the one in abstergo, that is connected to all the other animuses/animi? (get the reference?) Which subsequently means its connected to the whole of abstergos mainframe. This is why I think he's erudito, he has access.

To de filosof (sorry if spelt wrong) honestly I have no idea, their were tons of things clays copy could have said but didn't. However it is possible that he, being a copy, is restricted to saying certain things, it's job was to help Desmond, the original copy could have made sure it sticks to its job. I get the impression that the original copy is the relay point in which all the other copies send messages to. A copy of a person is likely to be very similar, but not quite the same, when a copy makes a copy the parts taken from clay himself get smaller, this continues.

Edit: I've just had a thought, maybe it wasn't a copy at all? But a fragment? The original copy splits itself into 7 other copies, splitting its memories too. The fragment from revelations only has the memories it needs to help Desmond, each fragment suited to it's own specific job.

Ive over thought this. I'd like it to be the case, but I guess we'll find out in October

Acrimonious_Nin
08-08-2012, 11:04 PM
You mean the one in abstergo, that is connected to all the other animuses/animi? (get the reference?) Which subsequently means its connected to the whole of abstergos mainframe. This is why I think he's erudito, he has access.

To de filosof (sorry if spelt wrong) honestly I have no idea, their were tons of things clays copy could have said but didn't. However it is possible that he, being a copy, is restricted to saying certain things, it's job was to help Desmond, the original copy could have made sure it sticks to its job. I get the impression that the original copy is the relay point in which all the other copies send messages to. A copy of a person is likely to be very similar, but not quite the same, when a copy makes a copy the parts taken from clay himself get smaller, this continues.

well when you put it that way o.O it actually would make sense. the events that occur are all so coincidental. -___- how do you explain the references that say that Erudito is infiltrating from the outside ?

Caroline Grey

RE: Wikileaks

November 28, 2010 12:03PM

To: Alan Rikkin

Hi Alan,
All networks appear secure. According to our security division, someone with the moniker Erudito seems to have attempted access, but our firewalls repelled him effectively. These wikileaks cables are something else! It amazes me that the US federal government has so much trouble hiding its global relations. They should hire our systems experts. The timing of the release of these cables seems perfect for the new tax law. Do you think the surrounding noise will cover up the debates about the federal tax cuts and the estate tax?

and this too implies that Erudito is an external force rather than an internal one...

File.0.07\Enm_Erudito

Despite state of the art computer security, a menace calling itself Erudito has managed to hack into our systems on several occasions, as we have seen from the Project Legacy incident.It is unclear whether Erudito is a person or a group, but evidence suggests it is a number of individuals working independently, but who share a common purpose: to expose our secret agenda. Whether this Erudito Collective is in collusion with the Assassin Brotherhood or not remains unclear. However, knowingly or not, the actions of the Collective undoubtedly serve the cause of the Assassins.

I think your on too something probable within the story line, but there are a few holes....>_> no pun intended though :)

freddie_1897
08-08-2012, 11:12 PM
well when you put it that way o.O it actually would make sense. the events that occur are all so coincidental. -___- how do you explain the references that say that Erudito is infiltrating from the outside ?

Caroline Grey

RE: Wikileaks

November 28, 2010 12:03PM

To: Alan Rikkin

Hi Alan,
All networks appear secure. According to our security division, someone with the moniker Erudito seems to have attempted access, but our firewalls repelled him effectively. These wikileaks cables are something else! It amazes me that the US federal government has so much trouble hiding its global relations. They should hire our systems experts. The timing of the release of these cables seems perfect for the new tax law. Do you think the surrounding noise will cover up the debates about the federal tax cuts and the estate tax?

and this too implies that Erudito is an external force rather than an internal one...

File.0.07\Enm_Erudito

Despite state of the art computer security, a menace calling itself Erudito has managed to hack into our systems on several occasions, as we have seen from the Project Legacy incident.It is unclear whether Erudito is a person or a group, but evidence suggests it is a number of individuals working independently, but who share a common purpose: to expose our secret agenda. Whether this Erudito Collective is in collusion with the Assassin Brotherhood or not remains unclear. However, knowingly or not, the actions of the Collective undoubtedly serve the cause of the Assassins.

I think your on too something probable within the story line, but there are a few holes....>_> no pun intended though :)
This is good evidence, but it doesn't prove that erudito are external, it could just mean that abstergo do not realise, and are unaware that its possible for a human mind to be inside the computer itself. Look at it this way, a virus is sent into a computer, it is then usually destroyed by a firewall. 16 has sent himself into the computer by killing himself, his copies or fragments are destroyed by the firewall but occasionally one manages to find its way through. It could still be put down to an external force when it isn't

Acrimonious_Nin
08-08-2012, 11:22 PM
I see...O.O sounds intense :D....I like it ;)...

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 11:25 PM
To de filosof (sorry if spelt wrong) honestly I have no idea, their were tons of things clays copy could have said but didn't. However it is possible that he, being a copy, is restricted to saying certain things, it's job was to help Desmond, the original copy could have made sure it sticks to its job. I get the impression that the original copy is the relay point in which all the other copies send messages to. A copy of a person is likely to be very similar, but not quite the same, when a copy makes a copy the parts taken from clay himself get smaller, this continues.


But it was also Clay´s copy that gave him all that mysterious and cryptic information in ACB right? So...why couldn't he provide or explain the same information in ACR?

rileypoole1234
08-08-2012, 11:34 PM
I thought Clay putting himself in the Animus literally meant he inserted himself into the Animus, and he's now a computer program or something. I never thought he made a copy, I just thought it was him.

dxsxhxcx
08-08-2012, 11:36 PM
This is good evidence, but it doesn't prove that erudito are external, it could just mean that abstergo do not realise, and are unaware that its possible for a human mind to be inside the computer itself. Look at it this way, a virus is sent into a computer, it is then usually destroyed by a firewall. 16 has sent himself into the computer by killing himself, his copies or fragments are destroyed by the firewall but occasionally one manages to find its way through. It could still be put down to an external force when it isn't

the problem is that Clay was alive by the time Erudito appeared for us for the first time (2010) so Erudito couldn't be Clay from inside the animus at least...

Kit572
08-09-2012, 12:08 AM
I thought Clay putting himself in the Animus literally meant he inserted himself into the Animus, and he's now a computer program or something. I never thought he made a copy, I just thought it was him.

I would have made a copy of myself too If I was him. I mean... why would I want to become a computer program and risk getting deleted and never going to the afterlife because my soul has been officially deleted?

xXMrGR1NCHXx
08-09-2012, 12:39 AM
Wow, this discussion has really blown up. With almost 4k views and a lot of interesting theories, I'm loving it.

I think 16/Erudito will most definatly be making an appearance in AC3, whether it be a small little mention, or an actual viewing of them, time will only tell.

rob.davies2014
08-09-2012, 12:49 AM
With all it's intelligence, couldn't Erudito think of another word to rhyme with 'more'?

SixKeys
08-09-2012, 02:57 AM
I would have made a copy of myself too If I was him. I mean... why would I want to become a computer program and risk getting deleted and never going to the afterlife because my soul has been officially deleted?

Maybe Clay knew something we never got to see, like a vision from Juno that showed him that the only way to help Desmond was by ending up killing himself. If Clay wasn't convinced that Juno was telling the truth and that his mission was of crucial importance, he wouldn't have killed himself in the first place. Seems to me if you're already willing to go that far, turning yourself into a computer program is just a step further. It actually prolonged his life beyond that of his human body.

InnerIronMan
08-09-2012, 03:27 AM
I'v read the entire thread and whats to say the clay is the only member of erudito? why could there not be more, him being part of them when he was alive and being more useful in the animus.

Kit572
08-09-2012, 03:34 AM
Maybe Clay knew something we never got to see, like a vision from Juno that showed him that the only way to help Desmond was by ending up killing himself. If Clay wasn't convinced that Juno was telling the truth and that his mission was of crucial importance, he wouldn't have killed himself in the first place. Seems to me if you're already willing to go that far, turning yourself into a computer program is just a step further. It actually prolonged his life beyond that of his human body.

Interesting, I see where your going.

So, when he got deleted during revelations, he sacrificing himself for the mission.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-09-2012, 03:44 AM
Interesting, I see where your going.

So, when he got deleted during revelations, he sacrificing himself for the mission.

The one thing I never understood was how the animus was searching for Desmond, looking to delete him, yet S16 was able to avoid it for all that time, never being saught out for deletion. Never being caught, always hiding out.

jd55513
08-09-2012, 04:03 AM
The one thing I never understood was how the animus was searching for Desmond, looking to delete him, yet S16 was able to avoid it for all that time, never being saught out for deletion. Never being caught, always hiding out.

I think it's still possible for 16 to be "alive" in the Animus due to him having multiple Ai core memories of himself during the deletion scene that was only one copy one AI fragment i still think theres some more to 16 then what the developers are saying let alone wanting to reveal

Poodle_of_Doom
08-09-2012, 06:49 AM
Perhaps. But I don't necessarily believe that based on what the dev's said. At that, I still wonder how he could last that long in the core.

Legendz54
08-09-2012, 07:07 AM
The AC story can be so unpredictable, "I am alive" Could mean anything. Maybe Desmond completing the synch nexus allowed the Animus to delete Clay, allowing him to wake up from wherever Abstergo has him stored, Maybe Abstergo lied about him being Dead, or Maybe Clay is is still in a Coma and they came after Desmond for extra studies.

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 08:47 AM
I think that s16 is not connected to Erudito. Clay was just locked in his Animus waiting for Desmond, that's all. And we still have to discover who is hiding behind a mask of the hacker. It can be anyone, be on guard, Templars)

FallenAngelD
08-09-2012, 10:16 AM
16 and desmond are now one in the same. in acr clay says he can get out in desmond and at the end when he hugs him he is downloading himself into desmond "i will always be there" yeah he will be as there now one

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 10:39 AM
so Desmond will have a split personality?

welfy2009
08-09-2012, 10:59 AM
The AC story can be so unpredictable, "I am alive" Could mean anything. Maybe Desmond completing the synch nexus allowed the Animus to delete Clay, allowing him to wake up from wherever Abstergo has him stored, Maybe Abstergo lied about him being Dead, or Maybe Clay is is still in a Coma and they came after Desmond for extra studies.
But don't forget in ACR Clay says his body is worm food now so he must be dead

welfy2009
08-09-2012, 11:00 AM
16 and desmond are now one in the same. in acr clay says he can get out in desmond and at the end when he hugs him he is downloading himself into desmond "i will always be there" yeah he will be as there now one
i thought this Because right at the end of Revelations Desmond comes out of the animus and his hand Glows blue this could be clay inside of Desmond

mysticheero
08-09-2012, 11:01 AM
These tweets are from Erudito, as evidenced by the image saying "Erudito Industries" that the Assassin's Creed Twitter account avatar turned into briefly. Also, in the past Erudito has always used little emoticons like "-_-" in a lot of his communications, just like today. Erudito first showed up in Project Legacy almost 2 years ago, unlocking extra memories that Abstergo didn't necessarily want the subjects to see. He's hacked into the DDS Twitter account (Project Legacy's Twitter account) and the Project Legacy page in the past. Based on the multiplayer trailer that was leaked from SDCC, it appears he'll be helping hack and unlock information in the multiplayer portion of AC3.

The Encyclopedia said it was unknown if Erudito is an individual hacker or a team of hackers, but they are definitely opposed to Abstergo and have spent a lot of time hacking into their systems. The AC team has sort of used Erudito as a way to interface between the fans in the real world and the story of Assassin's Creed. Erudito exists within the world of the brand, but he also interacts with fans through Twitter accounts, emails in Project Legacy, and an email when people ordered a hoodie from UbiWorkshop that led people to unlock the emails on the Abstergo Industries website.

I see almost no evidence to suggest that Erudito is Subject 16. Today's tweets even further cement that he likely is not Subject 16, since the tweets are lamenting the fact that Subject 16 died today. I am excited to see him return since he wasn't mentioned at all in Revelations after being such an intriguing entity introduced just before Brotherhood came out. Since the real world dates are starting to line up with the fictional story dates, I wouldn't be surprised to see Erudito tweeting messages and clues about Desmond being captured, the week he spends at Abstergo, and his "escape". I could also see him tweeting something in late September about how he's hacked the Hephaestus Email Network and sent Desmond the passwords to Lucy, Rebecca and Shaun's email accounts. I wonder what role he'll play in the story going forward.

I don't think Erudito is Subject 16, but I think there is some sort of link between them - like they worked together or something. Not entirely sure yet but they both seem to work parallel with each other and hint at very similar things. I also think Erudito is more then one person. Not sure how many yet as we don't know what else they've been doing (only their "public" hacks and stuff) but I think its probably only a few people, who possibly work with a much larger group or hackers nad informants - ie. Erudito is the core group of people.


The one thing I never understood was how the animus was searching for Desmond, looking to delete him, yet S16 was able to avoid it for all that time, never being saught out for deletion. Never being caught, always hiding out.

Didn't Clay say something about how he was always having to dodge the security? Plus he's now in Rebecca's animus so the security is probably different to the animus 1.0, so his file is probably now flagging up. AND don't forget that Desmond had to "collect and assemble" the fragmented file pieces to make and activate Clay's AI. Yeah we kept getting clues and stuff before then but that would have all been pre-programed by Clay in order to get Desmond to put him back together. So in pieces, which Clay had hidden in other files, the security software wouldn't have picked up on him before then. In terms of people saying there are possibly more copies of Clay.... I don't think so. Did they clearly say that Lucy made a COPY of the animus memory files or that she downloaded the memory files? Its possible that Clay had worked something that meant he was moved instead of being copied (as we know he linked himself to certain files)


And to everyone thinking there will be some sort of "breaking news" over Desmond's kidnapping.... do you honestly think Abstergo would allow it? If the police are looking for Desmond then it raises too many suspicions and also sets the Assassin's on their trail. As Desmond kept to himself pretty much and probably didn't reveal any long term plans to others then it might be assumed that he just up and left without warning (I'm sure Abstergo were inteligent enough to make it look like this to divert calls for missing persons etc)

and FallenAngelID good point. I always wondered about this. I think it'll be more along the lines of Desmond will now possess Clay's memories and information (but as TLA was all about Desmond learning how to segment his mind to prevent the Blleding effect he can seperate himself from this) without being over loaded by Clay or suffering a split personality. If we see Desmond doing anything computery then we'll know for sure. XD

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 11:07 AM
Clay might become a mad virus that rules all Abstergo system and after his "self-destruction" he started to control templar's and assassin's systems in order to set Desmond on a path of destruction.

Like somebody said: "I am the architect of my own destruction"

)

Legendz54
08-09-2012, 11:12 AM
But don't forget in ACR Clay says his body is worm food now so he must be dead

But maybe Clay doesn't relies he is actually still alive, but in a coma.

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 11:16 AM
But maybe Clay doesn't relies he is actually still alive, but in a coma.
then who's blood it was in Abstergo's prison?

Slayer_WTF
08-09-2012, 11:29 AM
But maybe Clay doesn't relies he is actually still alive, but in a coma.

And where would be now? How did you find Desmond? The Animus have a WiFi connection? LoL

mysticheero
08-09-2012, 11:41 AM
I can't see Abstergo wasting time and effort on Clay if he was in a coma - not when they were already going to get rid of him anyway... they'd see it as an unnecassary expense.... especially after aquiring Desmond and finding out he was more important.

Felix-Vivo
08-09-2012, 12:02 PM
I always hope that Erudito might be something to do with Daniel Cross.

TheHumanTowel
08-09-2012, 01:15 PM
I wonder if Erudito is the baggage handler who witnessed the accident with a POE at Denver international airport. AC1 talks about it and Desmond can read an e-mail Vidic gets from the baggage handler. "I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID. I SAW HIM. HE HAD A METAL BALL. IT OPENED. THEY WENT CRAZY. SHOOTING. STABBING. TORE EACH OTHER TO PIECES. I KNOW IT WAS YOU PEOPLE. SAW THE LOGO. HEARD THE NAME. I'M GOING TO TELL. ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN. YOU'LL BE EXPOSED. THEY'LL KNOW THE TRUTH. AND THEN YOU WILL PAY. YOU CRAZY BASTARDS. YOU'LL PAY.

GLHS
08-09-2012, 02:20 PM
Why does this happen to every good thread? People come in here with stupid theories about crap that HAS ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED MULTIPLE TIMES and just disregard it like it never happened. There are so many problems with like 95% of the theories in here i don't even know where to begin.

No, Lucy IS NOT COMING BACK. AT ALL. EVER. LEAVE IT ALONE FOR F*CKS SAKE. I am so sick of hearing about this. It's stupid, pointless, annoying, and all you're doing is showing how extremely naive and blind you really are. She was a Templar at the time of her death, and specifically stated her stance along side Vidic and Abstergo in her letter to Clay. Everything with Desmond was staged on behalf of Vidic and Lucy to find the location of Ezio's Apple and retrieve it. So stfu and get over it. Idk how much more friggin proof you need than DLC, the Wiki, and the Dev's confirmation in numerous interviews.

Now, onto the less stupid theories. First, to clear this up....Lucy did NOT give Rebecca a copy of the memory core. It was the memory core itself. The entire thing. She took straight out of the Animus. Plus, when Rebecca sees it she specifically says "Whoa! The Memory Core!" She's very good at what she does and wouldn't confuse the 2, and she would've said something different. If it was something like an external harddrive, she would've have known what was on it until she accessed it or Lucy told her.

Second, the email that you all keep referring to about that talked about said person seeing Abstergo using the Apple was rumored to be from Shaun. I think I may have read somewhere that it was rumored to be him but was untrue, or something. I can't find it, but I remember it being said at first that it was from him. So it might still be up in the air whether it was him or not. Either way, I very highly doubt it's Erudito. Plus, there is no mention of a baggage handler, it simply says "Unknown."

Third, Clay making copies of himself within the Animus and Juno's message to him. To start, this idea is possible, but not that probable. He didn't have a lot of time to do this in and was losing his mind more and more every day. It would be hard enough doing it once, let alone "X" amount of times. And Riley was right. It's not a copy of himself anyway. It IS him. His message in the AC:B achievement was only there to say that he was alive inside the Animus. What's there is a programed, somewhat physical embodiment of himself. His physical body is dead, but his psyche is trapped within the Animus. What we see in the exe file in AC:B was just a programmed message that he put in there. Or a partial projection of himself within the program. But as shown, it's not anywhere complete. He could probably only use so much of his energy to do something like that anyhow. But his "real" self, for lack of a better term, is trapped in the Black Room, which is where he found he synch Nexus and *mostly* repaired his mind. At least enough to be coherent. That's why he tells Desmond to "find him in the Darkness." In AC:R, he was deleted from the harddrive. From the entire system. The Black Room was like a haven, a empty space off the grid. Which is how he was able to stay away from the security for so long. But with Desmond's entry into it, and his eventual piecing himself back together, he "repaired" himself and made him, Clay, and Animus Island itself, discoverable. Now, whether Clay's sacrifice to save Desmond allowed him to enter Dez's being is still untold. That is definitely one possible scenario, and honestly the most likely one, if you go along with the "Desmond play as Clay in Clay's Nexus" i.e. TLA theory. But it is also just as likely that we were just seeing Clay go through them himself when he did, and that Desmond knows nothing of Lucy's betrayal of Clay's story.

And that leads me to the second part: Clay's convo with Juno. She told he had to kill himself in order to help Desmond and to pass on the messages. That's why he's so against it at first and refuses, but then later realizes that it's the right thing to do and accepts his fate. I.e. Breaking The Loop. And that's also why he sends the goodbye email to his dad. He knew he had to die for Desmond to be found and for him to receive the messages, both the truth, and the messages from TWCB.

Lastly, all of this wild theorizing and tangents you're all going on about it pointless. There very well good be a deeper meaning to them hinting at something about Clay in AC3. If so, cool. But they could also just be giving cool little messages for Clay's deathday since we're finally lining up with the dates in real life, as many have said before. Which is much more likely. They're just cool little easter eggs for us to enjoy. Not everything has to have a wild conspiracy.

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 04:13 PM
No, Lucy IS NOT COMING BACK. AT ALL. EVER. LEAVE IT ALONE FOR F*CKS SAKE..
Lusy is coming back to AC and you are coming back to school, everything in this world is arranged exactly as it should be. Try meditation to calm your nerves.

anik_lc
08-09-2012, 05:19 PM
do not insult my Lucy with your own guesses))

I know Lucy is hot, but she is a bloody TEMPLAR. :mad:

TinyTemplar
08-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Do not destroy my faith in good people. I believe she's on the right side)

I wonder if Desmond at least mention about her. It will be funny, if he'll just continue to do his own stuff as if nothing had happened

Acrimonious_Nin
08-09-2012, 09:21 PM
Look, just like any computer file no matter how much you want to delete something, It is always left in traces somewhere in the CPU. The animus deleted Clay, but not the memory core, as we all saw how the island was re-constructed. Meaning that what ever data, bit of information,etc. that is in the memory core will always come back. Clay copied his DNA and his memory and AI construct within the Animus' MEMORY CORE so if the core can not be deleted, but files and viruses that are in the animus can, then Clay can not be deleted because HE IS IN THE CORE WHICH CAN NOT BE DELETED. Clay is not a file.....>_> just to let you know memories are files, the glyphs and the rifts were files, so whatever memory of Desmond, Clay, or Ezio or Altair, glyphs and rifts that were saved in the animus are gone. Clay's AI construct being uploaded to the core just ends up coming back re-constructed. And because it is an AI it means that even if the memory of the Clay is deleted it does not mean that the AI program is gone. Just like how it took 30 files to construct the AI; Ever found it strange that Clay's AI knew that the deletion was scheduled ?; For all we know the scheduled deletion was just another phase that will unlock more hidden files. Not by 16, but probably something that had to happen to unlock something else, probably something that was programmed by TWCB way before Abstergo had the tech. to make the Animus. That is why the glyph puzzles are coming back in AC3, but not programmed in by Clay. And probably why Clay had his "destiny" already planned out by TWCB.

CatulloMario
08-09-2012, 10:49 PM
Ok first to the most important point: Who is Erudito?
In my opinion Erudito is an ancient god. Erudito himself twittered a few project legacy parts,that were not shown in facebook: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Chapter_1_-_Maria_Amiel
In the last sequence Giovanni Auditore was taken over by Consus "the erudite God". I believe this is Erudito. (why should TWCB not be able to hack)

To the question if Clay can make copies. I don't think so. Lucy definately have stole the Core. Maybe he is dead or in Desmond. It is possible that Abstergo saved his body. In AC1 Vidic said to Desmond that they can put him into coma if they like. So its possible that they still use his body. He could hide in the Animus because he has splitted himself into his parts. In brotherhood he was opened. He first was built like it said "Voice is loaded" and so on. After his massage he went to the black room and loaded to the end.

I am alive is just a reference to the achievement. (and to the fact that he is dead since 08.08 but not away).

He is gone. #16 is no more. And now they begin. To search for 1 more. (DESMOND) heebie-jeebies

THEY are responsible. Abstergo's to blame. They play with our lives. Like it's only a game. Reference to the animus and to the puppet system in the animus. Also a reference for the Project Legacy and the multiplayer.

They search for the ‘’prophet’’ They’re grasping at straws. Their ill-conceived plans, are riddled with flaws". This is Ezio. They used a lot of Subjects to look for the Apples and the temples. Clay was a real breakthrough. But he was not synched enough with ezio and absolutely not related with altair so they needed Desmond.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-09-2012, 11:16 PM
I think S16 is really gone though. I do suspect he allowed himself to be destroyed in order to save Desmond....

tarrero
08-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Lets see....

Clay has been stated by the deveps to be GONE!!!!!! and regarding Lucy, well........... Though I feel the "treatment" involving that moment, you know, one the most shocking ones in the series , rushed and improvised; hence it was explained only through shortly publicized dlc that not many people cared and in fact, at this time, know about...... She is also GONE.

Let them rest in peace, mostly Clay, the ASSASSIN one out of the two.


Erudito could be either Clay´s dad or Bill Miles

Acrimonious_Nin
08-10-2012, 01:59 AM
Lets see....

Clay has been stated by the deveps to be GONE!!!!!! and regarding Lucy, well........... Though I feel the "treatment" involving that moment, you know, one the most shocking ones in the series , rushed and improvised; hence it was explained only through shortly publicized dlc that not many people cared and in fact, at this time, know about...... She is also GONE.

Let them rest in peace, mostly Clay, the ASSASSIN one out of the two.


Erudito could be either Clay´s dad or Bill Miles

Wrong Clay's dad died of a heart attack and Bill Miles doesn't use the computer. He's the Mentor and that is all the skills he has as far as we know it is the ability to teach hence...mentor....

Poodle_of_Doom
08-10-2012, 02:26 AM
To quote the wiki:

"Though it was unclear whether Erudito was one or many people, evidence did suggest that the idea of a collection of several independent users was more likely. Despite this, the members who made up the Erudito Collective were united by their common purpose.

Seems as if we should be looking at more of a group than an individual. Perhaps its a combination of Clay, His Father, William, Shaun, and Rebecca?

Kaschra
08-10-2012, 02:55 AM
Wrong Clay's dad died of a heart attack and Bill Miles doesn't use the computer. He's the Mentor and that is all the skills he has as far as we know it is the ability to teach hence...mentor....

Huh? Where is it stated that Clay's dad died of a heart attack?

InnerIronMan
08-10-2012, 02:56 AM
He's the Mentor and that is all the skills he has as far as we know it is the ability to teach hence...mentor....

no just beause he is one of the teachers does not mean he is The Mentor, Cross killed him and there has not been a mentor announced as of now, but it all seems like thats what desmond will become IMO.

Kaschra
08-10-2012, 03:11 AM
I think Erudito is either a complete new character/group of characters... or maybe someone from The Fall comic. Well, or maybe not xD

tarrero
08-10-2012, 03:20 AM
Huh? Where is it stated that Clay's dad died of a heart attack?
Nah that guy "trolls" most of the time.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-10-2012, 03:56 AM
I think Erudito is either a complete new character/group of characters... or maybe someone from The Fall comic. Well, or maybe not xD

Maybe a jumping off point for the series beyound AC3?

Stroonzje
08-10-2012, 12:10 PM
Possibly a leadway for games past AC3

GLHS
08-10-2012, 12:28 PM
no just beause he is one of the teachers does not mean he is The Mentor, Cross killed him and there has not been a mentor announced as of now, but it all seems like thats what desmond will become IMO.

William gave all of them their missions, including Lucy and Clay, and knew the status of all the teams. He was located at the Assassin HQ up until Desmond and co. found the Apple and his coma. Daniel Cross killed the Mentor in 2000. Do you really think the Assassins would go 12 years without naming a leader?


Wrong Clay's dad died of a heart attack and Bill Miles doesn't use the computer. He's the Mentor and that is all the skills he has as far as we know it is the ability to teach hence...mentor....
How did William not use a computer? He sent numerous emails to Lucy and Shaun.


Lusy is coming back to AC and you are coming back to school, everything in this world is arranged exactly as it should be. Try meditation to calm your nerves.
Dafuq are you talking about? Nobody said I was angry, nor said that I was going to school. And you have little right to "school" me, if that's what you meant.

mysticheero
08-10-2012, 12:47 PM
William gave all of them their missions, including Lucy and Clay, and knew the status of all the teams. He was located at the Assassin HQ up until Desmond and co. found the Apple and his coma. Daniel Cross killed the Mentor in 2000. Do you really think the Assassins would go 12 years without naming a leader?

I agree there is a new Mentor to the Assasin's order - as you said how can they go 12 years without a new leader? - but I'm not sure its William. I believe William is very high up the chain of command, but I'm not sure he's the top. Besides one person can not possibly command every single assassin within the Order personally - they would delegate to their trusted higher ranks. William was in charge of Desmond's group definately, gave orders and everything but would the Mentor of the Assassin's order really have the time to personally travel the world and focus on just one group like he did in ACR? Doesn't seem likely (though yes I may be wrong in that assumption). I think William took such a strong focus on the group due to Desmond's involvement, but is still having to remotely manage other groups and sleeper cells - after all he doesn't seem to be around much.

And that reminds me, I think they still haven't answered the previous hints they made in AC about Desmond getting out of his coma. I believe William said Desmond would be fine as he's done it before (or something to that effect). They had better explain that in AC3.

GLHS
08-10-2012, 12:58 PM
It may or may not be William, but nothing has hinted at it being anybody else. Either way, yes, he's definitely higher ranked. As far as the hint you're talking about...it sounds vaguely familiar, so you might be right, but I'm not quite sure. I think you might be talking about William saying something about "he'll find a way...he always has." or something to that effect. I believe he was referring to Desmond's escape from the farm, and not that he'd been in a coma before and come out of it.

De Filosoof
08-10-2012, 03:02 PM
Erudito is probably based on groups like Wikileaks and Anonymous just like Abstergo is based on big corrupt corporations. This would be the most likely and most realistic i think.

Kaschra
08-10-2012, 05:33 PM
According to Vidic, William is the leader of the assassins


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U846nngQosw


And I don't know if this is reliable, but the AC Wiki says:

During modern times, the title referred to the leader of the entire Order.
Apparently, this information comes from the Encyclopedia, so it should be legit.
So William is the mentor, I guess xD

CatulloMario
08-10-2012, 09:03 PM
Following people are likely not Erudito:

desmond (Erudito wrote an e-mail to him.)
Shaun, Rebecca or Lucy (why would erudito would sent him the log in of himself?)

Another thing I Am Alive is Subject 16 but this means not after revelations. Because it is meant to be on the 08.08.2012. To this point he is alive in the animus. But he can still be that after revelations.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-11-2012, 04:15 AM
Following people are likely not Erudito:

desmond (Erudito wrote an e-mail to him.)
Shaun, Rebecca or Lucy (why would erudito would sent him the log in of himself?)
.

How could you keep him in the loop by providing him two out of the three? At that, by not providing your own information, you would draw suspicion to yourself. Lets be honest, Shaun may not really want to be there. He said he just "stumbled" onto Abstergo. At that, he kind of got drug into the situation. It was either join the Assassins, or die. Maybe he doesn't want to be part of either group.

Serrachio
08-11-2012, 05:15 AM
The video refers to William as an Assassin leader, but not as the Mentor.

I doubt William is the Mentor either, since he's known amongst other Assassins, Paul Bellamy of the Fall being one.

It's said in the comic book series that the Mentor could be likened to the Wizard of Oz, a man so powerful a great, but no-one really knows his real identity. I doubt that they'd change that by putting William Miles in complete command of the Assassin Order.

I believe that with the Great Purge, William has taken on a role where he's very valuable, and the Templars want to kidnap him, or at the very worst, kill him.

InnerIronMan
08-11-2012, 08:11 AM
According to Vidic, William is the leader of the assassins


Yeah hes the leader but he most likly has not been appointed mentor, I was not saying they were without a leader they just dont have a mentor like when Ezio was was forming the brotherhood he was the leader but was not appointed mentor untill the end of brotherhood.

Assassin_M
08-11-2012, 08:14 AM
Yeah hes the leader but he most likly has not been appointed mentor, I was not saying they were without a leader they just dont have a mentor like when Ezio was was forming the brotherhood he was the leader but was not appointed mentor untill the end of brotherhood.
He`s a de`facto Mentor, just like Machiavelli when Mario was killed...

InnerIronMan
08-11-2012, 08:22 AM
exactly he does not have the title officially but he is. thats what i had been trying to say, i just couldn't find the words.

Assassin_M
08-11-2012, 08:26 AM
exactly he does not have the title officially but he is. thats what i had been trying to say, i just couldn't find the words.
That`s probably why there was a misunderstanding in the first place..

GLHS
08-11-2012, 11:20 AM
How could you keep him in the loop by providing him two out of the three? At that, by not providing your own information, you would draw suspicion to yourself. Lets be honest, Shaun may not really want to be there. He said he just "stumbled" onto Abstergo. At that, he kind of got drug into the situation. It was either join the Assassins, or die. Maybe he doesn't want to be part of either group.

Have you ever heard all the conversations from AC2? He very blatantly says that he's "100% Assassin through and through." He joined not b/c he was forced to, but b/c he felt it was the right place for him. Even if he didn't at the time of initiation, he certainly does now. He also said that he loves his job and expects to kill again to defend free will. He's definitely there b/c he wants to be.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-11-2012, 03:28 PM
Have you ever heard all the conversations from AC2? He very blatantly says that he's "100% Assassin through and through." He joined not b/c he was forced to, but b/c he felt it was the right place for him. Even if he didn't at the time of initiation, he certainly does now. He also said that he loves his job and expects to kill again to defend free will. He's definitely there b/c he wants to be.

Well.... when you put it that way, CERTAIN DEATH doesn't seem like that big of a motivator.....

Serrachio
08-11-2012, 03:31 PM
Well.... when you put it that way, CERTAIN DEATH doesn't seem like that big of a motivator.....

Shaun probably joined because he knew there'd be a threat to his life from Abstergo, but he later grew to admire the Assassins and the goal they strived for. That's why he refers to himself as "100% Assassin through and through."

xXMrGR1NCHXx
08-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I'm thinking that Rebecca and/or Shaun know a little more about Lucy than we think. I also think that we'll see talk about her between Rebecca, Shaun, and Desmond eventually about Lucy's death.

Poodle_of_Doom
08-14-2012, 04:19 AM
I'm thinking that Rebecca and/or Shaun know a little more about Lucy than we think. I also think that we'll see talk about her between Rebecca, Shaun, and Desmond eventually about Lucy's death.

I hope so...

tarrero
08-14-2012, 04:35 AM
I'm thinking that Rebecca and/or Shaun know a little more about Lucy than we think. I also think that we'll see talk about her between Rebecca, Shaun, and Desmond eventually about Lucy's death.

Me too, it was unfair and inappropriate that one of the most shocking moments of the series was explained through a shortly publicized DLC that not even ubisoft appeared to care about......

Assassin_M
08-14-2012, 04:39 AM
Me too, it was unfair and inappropriate that one of the most shocking moments of the series was explained through a shortly publicized DLC that not even ubisoft appeared to care about......
not that shocking...

Hell, every 5 days someone made a thread about Lucy being a Templar.... Twist ? Sure... Shocking ? HELL NAW

tarrero
08-14-2012, 04:58 AM
want that shocking...

Hell, every 5 days someone made a thread about Lucy being a Templar.... Twist ? Sure... Shocking ? HELL NAW

At the time, when Brotherhood came up sure it was. I know she is a templar, but you cannot deny that TLA and its betrayal scene was rushed and did not match ACB ending, However, on the other hand, it is time to move on, what is done, is done.

Assassin_M
08-14-2012, 05:00 AM
At the time, when Brotherhood came up sure it was. I know she is a templar, but you cannot deny that TLA and its betrayal scene was rushed and did not match ACB ending, However, on the other hand, it is time to move on, what is done, is done.
You mean the death ? Oh ok.. I thought you meant her being a Templar..Yeah ok I agree

And sure, lets look forward to AC III

Poodle_of_Doom
08-14-2012, 05:34 AM
I don't necessarily think that we'll see a lot of Desmond coping. I think it will be more of an acknowledgement of what REALLY happened,... since the rest of them couldn't see Juno, and that he know's she's dead and burried....

ColdKill18
08-27-2012, 10:45 AM
16 and desmond are now one in the same. in acr clay says he can get out in desmond and at the end when he hugs him he is downloading himself into desmond "i will always be there" yeah he will be as there now one
I think he just copied his memories, not himself. So Clay is dead and gone as said by the devs, but we can relive his memories as well in AC III, so he will get mentioned, I just can't believe that Clay won't be mentioned in AC III.

Or maybe Connor is even the ancestor of Clay, not of Desmond ? :D

DarkSolitude-X
08-27-2012, 02:09 PM
Or maybe Connor is even the ancestor of Clay, not of Desmond ? :D

The mechanics of the animus don't work that way. Connor is the ancestor of Desmond.

Ork3n
08-27-2012, 02:20 PM
Guys, S16 may be alive. In some part of Assassin's Creed Revelations, S16 asks desmond whereas or not he could go to the Real World with Desmond, meaning 2 persons in the same Body. I truly believe it's what S16 did instead of just saving Desmond.

Maybe that's the meaning of the IAMALIVE morse code?

Assassin_M
08-27-2012, 02:44 PM
Guys, S16 may be alive. In some part of Assassin's Creed Revelations, S16 asks desmond whereas or not he could go to the Real World with Desmond, meaning 2 persons in the same Body. I truly believe it's what S16 did instead of just saving Desmond.

Maybe that's the meaning of the IAMALIVE morse code?
No.. It was confirmed.. No one "copied" or "downloaded" anything.. The Morse code was just referring to him being alive in the Animus and not literally.. Clay is dead and gone

Ork3n
08-27-2012, 03:02 PM
No.. It was confirmed.. No one "copied" or "downloaded" anything.. The Morse code was just referring to him being alive in the Animus and not literally.. Clay is dead and gone

I think Clay would still be death if he was a resident inside Desmond body. Assuming Clay is death only because of his body, but he's mind is still alive, why being in desmond body would mean be alive? It's desmond body, not clay's.

Assassin_M
08-27-2012, 03:19 PM
I think Clay would still be death if he was a resident inside Desmond body. Assuming Clay is death only because of his body, but he's mind is still alive, why being in desmond body would mean be alive? It's desmond body, not clay's.
I already said.... it was confirmed that Clay did not "Copy" "Download" "move" "Paste" Himself, his brain, or anything that has to do with Clay into Desmond. that hug was just for drama, nothing more.. Clay sacrificed himself to save Desmond, not copy himself into Desmond... Why did you even think It was possible ? Just because Clay said so ?

Slayer_WTF
08-27-2012, 03:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_marketing

Clay died on August 8. That thing was published on August 8. Comprende?

ACfan443
08-27-2012, 10:27 PM
I already said.... it was confirmed that Clay did not "Copy" "Download" "move" "Paste" Himself, his brain, or anything that has to do with Clay into Desmond. that hug was just for drama, nothing more.. Clay sacrificed himself to save Desmond, not copy himself into Desmond... Why did you even think It was possible ? Just because Clay said so ?

I also thought the IAMALIVE only referred to him being alive as a digital copy within the animus. But aside from that, you never know, something could've happened in that 'hug', Alex did say AC3 was going to be full of surprises and unexpected events.

Calvarok
08-27-2012, 10:35 PM
the hug was him giving desmond a bubble of protection. rewatch the scene.

Ork3n
08-28-2012, 02:21 PM
the hug was him giving desmond a bubble of protection. rewatch the scene.

Nothing is what it seems. It could be just clay giving protection to desmond, or clay transfer himself inside desmond memory.

You can't say anything is 100% truth unless devs say so like: "Ezio is not Altair's Descendent". That's a truth. Clay just protecting Desmond in that particular scene was never confirmed and won't be confirmed until Ac3.

Maybe i'm wrong, but your reasoning is based solely on what you saw, forgetting we are talking about an Assassin's Creed game.

POP1Fan
08-28-2012, 02:37 PM
the hug was him giving desmond a bubble of protection. rewatch the scene.

I also really think there is something more to that hug, mostly because in this series nothing is what it seems to be. But copying himself into Desmond sounds a little to out of place.

Locopells
08-28-2012, 02:51 PM
Ubi has stated that, other then protection, there was nothing more to that scene and that no trace of Clay remains, either in the Animus or Desmond's head. In other words, he's gone and isn't coming back (probably part of the tying up of loose ends before AC3 to make it new fan friendly).

However, Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted when changing your mind about your game series...

tarrero
08-28-2012, 04:00 PM
Ubi has stated that, other then protection, there was nothing more to that scene and that no trace of Clay remains, either in the Animus or Desmond's head. In other words, he's gone and isn't coming back (probably part of the tying up of loose ends before AC3 to make it new fan friendly).

However, Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted when changing your mind about your game series...

When Game informer dedicated a huge part of their april issue to ACIII, one of the "facts" claimed there, was that Clay wont come back, and quote "after the events of revelations do not expect more mysteries from S16"

But who knows......

POP1Fan
08-28-2012, 04:33 PM
Ubi has stated that, other then protection, there was nothing more to that scene and that no trace of Clay remains, either in the Animus or Desmond's head. In other words, he's gone and isn't coming back (probably part of the tying up of loose ends before AC3 to make it new fan friendly).

However, Nothing is True and Everything is Permitted when changing your mind about your game series...

Clay doesn't really need to come back for that "hug" to have a side-effect. And even if he is, it's not like they are going to tell us. I am sure they learned their lesson with Revelations. When you show everything before the release, people complain that "there are no revelations".

Locopells
08-28-2012, 04:38 PM
That was kinda my point.