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SaintPerkele
08-08-2012, 01:22 AM
We know about the appearance of the Northwest Passage in Assassin's Creed III from the confirmed multiplayer maps and screenshots. We also know that Connor will probably end up in Alaska at one point from trailers we've seen - it is very likely that Connor will thus see the Northwest Passage as well.
Now here's the thing.. Why would he? There's absolutely nothing there.

So I did some research. The most obvious journey to there during the time period of ACIII is obviously the one of James Cook. I can't see how Cook would fit in the overall game context though, unless he's a Templar or whatever (which I doubt). Also, considering he died in Hawaii and not in the Caribbean or America, we can safely assume that Cook won't make an appearance in ACIII.

Then I found something else, something more interesting and more likely:
The Octavius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavius_(ship)),a British ship which got trapped in the sea ice - everyone on board, including the captain, froze to death and weren't found until many years later. While it's not clear which part of this story is a legend and which of this actually happened, I can definitely see this happen in ACIII. We know from the multiplayer map that there's a ship trapped in the ice in ACIII too.
We've also seen a short gameplay glimpse of a snow covered ship (clearly not from multiplayer):http://www.bilderload.com/daten/octavius5HAO1.png
So here's my theory. The Octavius had something important onboard, something of value, maybe even a PoE or something like that. We can see that the ship is already frozen for years when Connor arrives there, so he's probably not the one who killed the crew. The multiplayer map probably takes place some years prior to this, where the crew is still alive or at least trying to stay alive.

Anyway.. thoughts on this?

UPDATE: RatonhnhakeFan (http://forums.ubi.com/member.php/1300267-RatonhnhakeFan) pointed out that the PoE-worldmaps all have a dot in Alaska (according to the AC-Wiki, mostlikely in Barrow). Wikipedia on the Octavius: "The ship's last recorded position while the crew was still alive was 75°N 160°W (http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Octavius_(ship)&params=75_N_160_W_type:waterbody_region:US-AK_scale:500), about 250 miles north of Barrow, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow,_Alaska)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavius_(ship)#cite_note-0), while the ship was discovered near Greenland."

tl;dr: A PoE will probably be in Alaska and Connor retrieves it.

LoyalACFan
08-08-2012, 01:30 AM
Might have something to do with this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montgomery

Killed in the dead of winter in Canada in 1775. Though it was many miles south of the Northwest Passage, I definitely think we'll be dropping in on this bloke on the way up there. Maybe he has a secret that leads you to the Octavius? I dunno. Your theory sounds likely, but this guy seems like the perfect candidate for a potential Templar target.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 01:55 AM
I actually do wonder whether the frozen areas we've seen in trailers is just parts of the Frontier during winter or some entirely different place (maybe Alaska like you mentioned)

MetalCreed
08-08-2012, 02:46 AM
What if the next game is truly in Asia..

We all know everyone was looking for a faster trade route to Asia, but instead developed interest in North America.

LoyalACFan
08-08-2012, 02:57 AM
I actually do wonder whether the frozen areas we've seen in trailers is just parts of the Frontier during winter or some entirely different place (maybe Alaska like you mentioned)

I don't think the frontier would be THAT diverse. Going from thick forest to gigantic glaciers in a few minutes of running might be a bit much :p

Besides, they've labeled that area the Northwest Passage, which is way the hell up north from Boston and New York. The frontier couldn't realistically extend that far from the cities. I dunno if this is the official fact, but I've always envisioned the forest as being the connector between the two, kind of like the Kingdom except with more stuff to do.

LoyalACFan
08-08-2012, 03:13 AM
What if the next game is truly in Asia..

We all know everyone was looking for a faster trade route to Asia, but instead developed interest in North America.

Actually, they just screwed up, lol. Columbus grossly underestimated the size of the globe. He thought Hispaniola was Asia. If he hadn't stumbled into a continent, his crew would have starved to death somewhere in the Pacific.

But as for Asia... yes please.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807195107/assassinscreed/images/d/da/Assassin_Ninja.jpg

tarrero
08-08-2012, 03:22 AM
might have something to do with this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/richard_montgomery

killed in the dead of winter in canada in 1775. Though it was many miles south of the northwest passage, i definitely think we'll be dropping in on this bloke on the way up there. Maybe he has a secret that leads you to the octavius? I dunno. Your theory sounds likely, but this guy seems like the perfect candidate for a potential templar target.

That really makes sense!!!

rileypoole1234
08-08-2012, 05:15 AM
Yeah I was wondering about that place ever since I saw that shot in the trailer. I just assumed it was some place up north in Canada or Newfoundland. I hope if we go there, Connor will get some cool snow gear. Your theory sounds entirely plausible as well. :p

SaintPerkele
08-08-2012, 12:46 PM
Might have something to do with this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montgomery

Killed in the dead of winter in Canada in 1775. Though it was many miles south of the Northwest Passage, I definitely think we'll be dropping in on this bloke on the way up there. Maybe he has a secret that leads you to the Octavius? I dunno. Your theory sounds likely, but this guy seems like the perfect candidate for a potential Templar target.
I doubt that Ubisoft would miss such a perfect opportunity to introduce Canada to the game :D They managed to put Montreal in Project Legacy, chances are that they'll do the same thing in a main game, good catch ;)

Slayer_WTF
08-08-2012, 12:53 PM
Where do you see Connor with a ship beyond the demo?

SaintPerkele
08-08-2012, 02:05 PM
Where do you see Connor with a ship beyond the demo?
There are two short gameplay glimpses (in the reeeeally short season-trailer from the E3-press conference), in one of them, you can see Connor standing on an iceberg. In the next one (the one I posted above, it's almost impossible to see it unless you watch the trailer frame by frame) you see a ship, which is clearly in the same location.

EDIT: Oh, and then there is this concept art:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807152417/assassinscreed/images/thumb/f/f7/Northwest_Passage_concept_art_by_Max_Qin.jpg/1000px-Northwest_Passage_concept_art_by_Max_Qin.jpg

eagleforlife1
08-08-2012, 03:40 PM
You can get Chief Pontiac's War Club in AC3. He was a Canadian-based Indian and the mission you get the club from 'Ghost of War' appears to take place on a ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Pontiac

SaintPerkele
08-08-2012, 06:06 PM
You can get Chief Pontiac's War Club in AC3. He was a Canadian-based Indian and the mission you get the club from 'Ghost of War' appears to take place on a ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Pontiac
I just researched about the whole "Ghost of War" mission which awards you Chief Pontiac's War Club.. In fact, two ships play a role here, the first one being HMS Windermere (couldn't find any ship with that name during the American Revolution), but the second one, the one which is said to have an important Templar associate onboard, is the HMS Leviathan. That ship existed, it sank in 1780, but before 1777 it was known as the HMS Northumberland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Northumberland_%281750%29). And guess who was the appointed Master for several years - James Cook. Maybe he does play a role in AC3 after all..

eagleforlife1
08-08-2012, 09:05 PM
Interestingly, Pontiac was also assassinated by an Indian who had been hired by the British in 1769.

rileypoole1234
08-08-2012, 09:09 PM
That is some really cool concept art up there.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 09:15 PM
I don't think the frontier would be THAT diverse. Going from thick forest to gigantic glaciers in a few minutes of running might be a bit much :p

Besides, they've labeled that area the Northwest Passage, which is way the hell up north from Boston and New York. The frontier couldn't realistically extend that far from the cities. I dunno if this is the official fact, but I've always envisioned the forest as being the connector between the two, kind of like the Kingdom except with more stuff to do.You're right, I just checked Northwest Passage on Wiki and it will obviously not be part of the Frontier. Wow, so it's another confirmed entirely different area! :O This game just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

Also, according to the Codex map, there are quite a few POEs located in Northwest Passage/Arctic territory:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529013652/assassinscreed/images/0/0c/Map_eagle_vision.png

Ratonhnhaké:ton may be going there to retrieve one (or more) of the POEs

Sabastian_AC
08-08-2012, 09:36 PM
That is some really cool concept art up there.

I see what you did there.


On the subject of bonus missions ("Ghost of War", etc). Does anyone know if any of the bonus missions come with the Game Stop Steelbook pre-order?

Sabastian_AC
08-08-2012, 09:38 PM
You're right, I just checked Northwest Passage on Wiki and it will obviously not be part of the Frontier. Wow, so it's another confirmed entirely different area! :O This game just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

Also, according to the Codex map, there are quite a few POEs located in Northwest Passage/Arctic territory:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529013652/assassinscreed/images/0/0c/Map_eagle_vision.png

Ratonhnhaké:ton may be going there to retrieve one (or more) of the POEs

Well, I wouldn't go with "confirmed" just yet. At the minimum, it might just be a stand-alone mission like Vlad's Tomb.

rileypoole1234
08-08-2012, 09:42 PM
Yeah I would bet on it being just a one mission deal. There really doesn't seem like there's much to do in the arctic besides find the ship and a POE. It's all just snow and ice.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-08-2012, 09:45 PM
I definitely expect it to be a 1/2 mission deal, but that doesn't mean it will be unimportant. For all we know, it could be the finale, the last location we will visit with some great reveal inside the ship, who knows

De Filosoof
08-08-2012, 10:28 PM
You're right, I just checked Northwest Passage on Wiki and it will obviously not be part of the Frontier. Wow, so it's another confirmed entirely different area! :O This game just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

Also, according to the Codex map, there are quite a few POEs located in Northwest Passage/Arctic territory:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100529013652/assassinscreed/images/0/0c/Map_eagle_vision.png

Ratonhnhaké:ton may be going there to retrieve one (or more) of the POEs

That would be really awesome! It might actually be one of the 3/4 major things they want to keep a secret until release :D.
Let's hope...

The previous posted artwork is awesome and may actually be a big hint.
Haven't seen it before.

LoyalACFan
08-08-2012, 11:24 PM
I think the Northwest Passage will be a lesser area for sure, but probably not just one mission. I'm thinking more along the lines of Cappadocia in Revelations. A smaller hub area with a few missions, chests, and flags/feathers/whatever the collectibles are this time.

SaintPerkele
08-09-2012, 02:12 PM
Personally, I suppose that the Northwest Passage might have some big sea-territorial accessible by ship, but I assume that the part you can explore on land will be rather small or just for a mission, after all there are not really diverse things to see there.

Great catch with the PoE by the way, that basically confirms it for me. Let me explain why: The map indicates that one PoE is in Barrow, Alaska (the Wiki assumed so, too). Now let me quote Wikipedia on the Octavius: "The ship's last recorded position while the crew was still alive was 75°N 160°W (http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Octavius_(ship)&params=75_N_160_W_type:waterbody_region:US-AK_scale:500), about 250 miles north of Barrow, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrow,_Alaska)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavius_(ship)#cite_note-0), while the ship was discovered near Greenland."
I think we just figured out something major to the story..

Oh, and for those interested in all of the concept arts: Wiki-User Kaloneous uploaded a bunch of really great ones on the wiki, the one I posted is from this page (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Qin). Check them out, they are really nice!

EDIT: Oh, and the other PoE in the very north of America is in the middle of the Northwest Passage.

Slayer_WTF
08-09-2012, 03:01 PM
EDIT: Oh, and then there is this concept art:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807152417/assassinscreed/images/thumb/f/f7/Northwest_Passage_concept_art_by_Max_Qin.jpg/1000px-Northwest_Passage_concept_art_by_Max_Qin.jpg

Splendid.

Locopells
08-09-2012, 04:59 PM
Actually, they just screwed up, lol. Columbus grossly underestimated the size of the globe. He thought Hispaniola was Asia. If he hadn't stumbled into a continent, his crew would have starved to death somewhere in the Pacific.

But as for Asia... yes please.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807195107/assassinscreed/images/d/da/Assassin_Ninja.jpg

That's a nice piece of art. Where d'ya get it?

LoyalACFan
08-09-2012, 08:28 PM
That's a nice piece of art. Where d'ya get it?

It was on the Assassin's Creed Wiki's newest photos filter. Don't know where it actually came from originally.

Saar Ben Kiki
08-09-2012, 09:53 PM
guys.. ist not really yet confirmed and you gotta remember its multiplayer coz in acr you had roma, jerusalem and places in greece as maps (which you couldnt freeroam in the actual game)
but on the other hand, who knows we might get linear missions in ac3 similiar to those of acb like naples and all those small villages we visited while destroying leonardos machines

hell yeah connor the explorer :cool:

SaintPerkele
08-09-2012, 10:22 PM
guys.. ist not really yet confirmed and you gotta remember its multiplayer coz in acr you had roma, jerusalem and places in greece as maps (which you couldnt freeroam in the actual game)
but on the other hand, who knows we might get linear missions in ac3 similiar to those of acb like naples and all those small villages we visited while destroying leonardos machines

hell yeah connor the explorer :cool:
Ehm... Did you read the thread? This is not about the multiplayer map, it is pretty much confirmed that the Northwest Passage will be in singleplayer too ;)

Take a look at this screenshot for example..
http://www.bilderload.com/bild/234541/octavius2A0PW2.png

Locopells
08-10-2012, 01:06 AM
It was on the Assassin's Creed Wiki's newest photos filter. Don't know where it actually came from originally.

Ah. Cool anyway!