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FI.Snaphoo
07-21-2004, 03:09 AM
I would love to play this thing online, but I'm hesitant to do so because, well... I'm not that great. I was really good back in the ATF days. Electronic countermeasures, Flare, Chaff. Then I played Janes WWII fighters... I got to be pretty good. Then I took a break... A long break... I got the itch to play a flight combat sim, and stumbled into this little piece of hyper reality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm having a lot of fun, I now can take off from the ground at least 3 out of 4 tries. And if it's in the realistic setting, I can stay aloft 2 out of those 3 times, and I shoot something down about half the time that I stay up for more than 10 minutes. The other times are not so pretty, but I've only had the game for about a week, so I'm not completely decimated yet.

I'm a big fan of the P-38 and the P-51 (Mostly D but I'll fly any of them) and the Me-262 or the FW-190/Bf-109 (I know they aren't interchangeable but they are at my skill level). I guess I have a few questions. 1.) How common is it for servers to be at full real settings? 2.) Is there something wrong with my joystick (drivers or settings within the game) if, when on full real settings, I go to turn and end up in a flat spin/stall? 3.) Are there resources (preferrably online) that I could read/download into the game to help my piloting/gunnery skills?

I suppose that's all I can think of at the moment. Thanks in advance for entertaining a newb's questions.

out.

FI.Snaphoo
07-21-2004, 03:09 AM
I would love to play this thing online, but I'm hesitant to do so because, well... I'm not that great. I was really good back in the ATF days. Electronic countermeasures, Flare, Chaff. Then I played Janes WWII fighters... I got to be pretty good. Then I took a break... A long break... I got the itch to play a flight combat sim, and stumbled into this little piece of hyper reality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm having a lot of fun, I now can take off from the ground at least 3 out of 4 tries. And if it's in the realistic setting, I can stay aloft 2 out of those 3 times, and I shoot something down about half the time that I stay up for more than 10 minutes. The other times are not so pretty, but I've only had the game for about a week, so I'm not completely decimated yet.

I'm a big fan of the P-38 and the P-51 (Mostly D but I'll fly any of them) and the Me-262 or the FW-190/Bf-109 (I know they aren't interchangeable but they are at my skill level). I guess I have a few questions. 1.) How common is it for servers to be at full real settings? 2.) Is there something wrong with my joystick (drivers or settings within the game) if, when on full real settings, I go to turn and end up in a flat spin/stall? 3.) Are there resources (preferrably online) that I could read/download into the game to help my piloting/gunnery skills?

I suppose that's all I can think of at the moment. Thanks in advance for entertaining a newb's questions.

out.

Zayets
07-21-2004, 03:19 AM
Look for a squad.Quick!There you'll have a lot of fun,and if you are a good boy,your wing leader may let you down some enemies instead of watching his six http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Salfordian
07-21-2004, 03:23 AM
If you havent tried already try changing your joystick settings in the controls menu or in the conf.ini file. Previous posts Ive found have given the recommended settings by Oleg as:

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 5 9 15 23 31 42 54 67 79 91 0
1RZ=0 0 4 11 17 28 38 49 61 78 98 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

Ive applied the pitch and roll axis to my X36 and they work really well for me.

For gunnery the only thing I do is set mg and cannon convergence to 100 and get in close until the fighter fills my gunsight at least.

I can't comment about online flying as I don't have internet at home.

Someone else will come along later to help more than I can, the guys in here are really good and know their stuff.

Good luck.

Zayets
07-21-2004, 03:26 AM
Forgot to answer the questions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

1)I think you will rarely find a server that is FULL DIFFICULT. I don't call that full real,because is far by what is to fly for real.There are lot of things you don't see in games compared with real flying.
2)No,there's nothing wrong.1C strived to give us airplanes with an FM as close to reality as you can get.Wether they succeded or not , I can't say, never flown a WW2 bird.
3)There are a lot and is hard to make a list.I don't read them anyway.I preffer war stories.Besides,there's no perfect recipy for THE PERFECT KILL or for THE PERFECT MANEUVER.Experience,in this case yours,will dictate what to do.

Zayets out

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FI.Snaphoo
07-21-2004, 04:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1Y=0 5 9 15 23 31 42 54 67 79 91 0
1RZ=0 0 4 11 17 28 38 49 61 78 98 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the responses so far! I really appreciate it. What am I looking at here? How do I make sense of that jumble of numbers to make my flying experience a little better? I currently have a Saitek 3-D Cyborg Gold, new drivers. Though I am considering getting the new Saitek X-47 (the new 2 throttle/stick combo with the cool metal blue tops). Thanks again!

out.

Salfordian
07-21-2004, 06:54 AM
From what I can remember the X and Y axis assignments are the two main ones, which represent the roll and pitch inputs from the joystick. Off the top of my head if you go into the control setup from the initial menu screen there is a page where you can change the sensitivity assignments. At the top left of this page is a drop down menu where you can select pitch, roll and yaw. To the right if I remember correctly are a number of sliders with numbers above. Simply change these numbers which I think are set at 10, 20, 30 40,...100 to the numbers here, 1, 4, 9, 16, ... 81, 100. This should make the controls less twitchy at lower inputs.

carguy_
07-21-2004, 07:02 AM
Don`t go there.You`ll find this game pretty unrealistic for P38,P51 fans.You know,in this game Me109 is actually waay better than P38,P51.Not good,huh?

Well I have a surprise for you.

That`s how it was in real life.

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BennyMoore
07-21-2004, 09:58 PM
BF-109 better than P-38 in real life? Says you and what army? Not the Luftwaffe, and definitely not the United States Army Air Force...

BF-109 was slower. End of story!

gurypuddle
07-21-2004, 10:44 PM
Heya snaphoo,

Welcome to the the Jumble http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Try and get your joystick settings in the game relaxed as has been advised. Regardless of what you decide to fly it will keep you in the air. If you would like some one on one practice let me know and I'll point you in the right direction.

GP

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FI.Snaphoo
07-21-2004, 11:48 PM
Thanks gurypuddle, I may take you up on that. A PM in forum good enough?

As for the "relaxed" joystick settings. Which numbers of that mess of numbers that I quoted should I worry with? All of them? Higher, lower? There seem to be columns of numbers or rows of numbers anyway, and I'm sure that they mean something. Which ones do I change to make them more "relaxed"?

Sorry for the complete newby questions. But it's been a while since I've played a game as configurable on the player side as this one, when it comes to flight sims... Of course, this is the first flight sim I've played in many years as well...

I appreciate the help so far, just need a few pointers to get me in the right direction on the stick ini interpretation.

Salfordian
07-22-2004, 02:00 AM
sorry snaphoo, I think the easiest thing to do is to just go into your IL2FB folder and open the file called conf.ini using notepad. If you scroll down this file about 2/3 down you will find a section like this:

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
.
.
.etc

If you copy the numbers 0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0 over the default numbers you have for anything for X= and Y=, 1X= and 1Y= etc this should, I hope, adjust the sensitivity of your joystick input.

eg, if X=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
Y=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
change this to
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0

If there are any assignments for a U, V, or RZ as shown in the text posted earlier just leave these as they are.

Good luck and if you need any more help I'm sure someone who knows better than me can point you in the right direction.

Monson74
07-22-2004, 02:47 AM
Welcome to the world of IL2/FB/AEP & soon PF!

Full real? Very uncommon - there will on 99% of the servers be some difficulty options not checked - icons will be on mostly which sux IMO because people will fail to learn how to recognize planes - speedbar will be on & that is ok so you can find your way around.

S!

Monson


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WTE_Ibis
07-22-2004, 03:01 AM
Join a squad,have fun,learn your favorite aircraft
then tackle the unwashed in the df. servers.
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Maple_Tiger
07-22-2004, 05:03 AM
I had the same proublom when i first started. I would always end up in a flat spin; this was an Il-16 i think. I went into the Difficulty and turned off Stalls and spins.

My point, what if you have Stalls and Spins turned Off. However, when you go online, most of the servers will have Stalls and Spins turned On.

So next time, when your in the QMB, make shure Stall& Spins option is on. Get into the habit of being gentle with the jostick and knowing when your close to a stall. When you start to see your plane shake a little, relax on the joystick because your close to stalling out. Also, don't yank on the stick too hard.

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