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wildcat101
05-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Do any of you feel that the 20MM cannon on the 109 is any stronger? I flew it last night and couldn't tell much difference. Does anyone know for sure if the programmer's actually did anything or is it speculation? Also were the machine guns on the German planes power increased as well? Keep in mind on the G6(109) up they had 13MM machine guns which is about the same thing as a .50 cal. Any of you 109 jocks please let me know what you think.The 30MM was brutal already and didn't need much help.

wildcat101
05-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Do any of you feel that the 20MM cannon on the 109 is any stronger? I flew it last night and couldn't tell much difference. Does anyone know for sure if the programmer's actually did anything or is it speculation? Also were the machine guns on the German planes power increased as well? Keep in mind on the G6(109) up they had 13MM machine guns which is about the same thing as a .50 cal. Any of you 109 jocks please let me know what you think.The 30MM was brutal already and didn't need much help.

crazyivan1970
05-20-2004, 10:57 AM
From 100m 13mm peels off Yak3 wing with 2-3 sec burst or with 3-5 20mm rounds.. It`s hard to say whether weapons were boosted across the board or planes made weaker. Whatever it is - it`s all much better now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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wildcat101
05-20-2004, 10:59 AM
Thanks Ivan for the reply.

karost
05-20-2004, 11:15 AM
Hi
after I test off/on line with patch 2.01 I can say:

1) 151/20 in G2 fire power make alot of Damage Model I cut spit5 in two pices with this gun at 95 meter.

2) 13 mm. in 109G6 can make engine P-63 on fire and blow away easy.

3) MK 108 , on shot at P-51 engine room will silent the motor.

notice: in mk108 I "FEEL" the bullet's speed seem slower ,coz when I shotting at AI target same tatic same angle same speed and same range that I used to, but it miss... , I just wonder after see track file , anyone test about this ,pls join your idea , that would be good. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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F19_Ob
05-20-2004, 03:09 PM
20mm cannon seems ok I tested it like I tested the 30mm in my post.
20mm can take off a wing with 2-3 rounds and sometimes start an enginefire on spits hurris and p51b and cut the fuselage with 3-4 rounds. One round can sometimes disable a fighter if it hits in "exactly" the right spot but mostly it takes 5-6 hits and above fighters can take up to 10 hits occasionally.

If u havent read about the 30mm its here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=828109914

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LeadSpitter_
05-20-2004, 03:37 PM
definatly all guns are effective now even the hurricane mk1a its 8 .303s can shoot down a lag or la5 in about 4-5 seconds

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WereSnowleopard
05-20-2004, 04:59 PM
I noticed Bf-109F-2 with MG 151/15 cannon firepower seems deadly now as kill Lagg-3, I-16 and other plane in early campaige seem quick in short burst. Major reason shot down is 15mm cannon hit score on engine and cockpit.

easymo
05-20-2004, 05:48 PM
I think you should point out if you are talking on line, or off. Off line the guns are so strong that I double checked to see that realistic gunnery was on. On line the guns are so weak that I am looking for another sim.

karost
05-21-2004, 01:29 AM
MORE ONLINE TEST
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1) 109F2 with 151/15 and MG can cut the wing of Lagg-3 at 100 meter.
2) 109G6 with MK108 at 150 meter deflection 3 round at engine room of P-47 then ... BOOM!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
3) and LW friend you have to becareful P-38 event at 220 meter she can cut you wing easy with only 4x.50 mg ( no convergent so every range a danger )

# 109 no need to care about convergent range http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

# note: I think other facter like rang ( below 150 meter) and positon that was hit is major concern like engine room or at wing same as ob_swe said,
I shot P-47 with Mk108 2-3 round direct to tail at 150 meter it feel nothing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ,but other test I can use 20mm in 109G2 cut the wing of P-47 at same range in 1.5 secound

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