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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:15 AM
I emailed TrackIR for some info on the TrackIR2.
This is there reply:

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Please see my responses below.


At 04:17 PM 10/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Is there any reason you haven't release any info about TrackIR 2 ?

An official release announcement for the TrackIR2 will probably take place next week.
There are some contractual agreements we have to comply with that are holding up our announcement, but we hope to have these cleared up very soon.



I am wanting to buy the TrackIR system but am waiting to find out any info about the TrackIR 2. What might some of the improvements be?

The guts of the software has been completely re-written from scratch. Better installation configuration, drivers, our own PID, and other enhancements to increase speed an just make the whole gaming experience better.

The Hardware will be improved as well from 60 frames per second to a blazing 100 frames per second. This will cut the latency time in half to ~8-9milliseconds. There will be some additional LEDs and some cleanup to the asthetics of the unit. Polishing, etc...



Will you be offering both versions or is the new TrackIR 2 replacing the current version?

Complete Replacement. Older units will no longer be available.


What is the cost going to be?

The same. $129


Can I order a TrackIR2 yet?

Yes. All orders that are placed before the official ship date of November 1st, will be fulfilled on a first come first served basis. This means, place your order early and reserve a place in line. Also, all pre-orders will receive a free complimentary TrackHAT ($20 value).

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Message Edited on 10/22/0307:17PM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:15 AM
I emailed TrackIR for some info on the TrackIR2.
This is there reply:

*********************************


Please see my responses below.


At 04:17 PM 10/21/2003 -0700, you wrote:

Is there any reason you haven't release any info about TrackIR 2 ?

An official release announcement for the TrackIR2 will probably take place next week.
There are some contractual agreements we have to comply with that are holding up our announcement, but we hope to have these cleared up very soon.



I am wanting to buy the TrackIR system but am waiting to find out any info about the TrackIR 2. What might some of the improvements be?

The guts of the software has been completely re-written from scratch. Better installation configuration, drivers, our own PID, and other enhancements to increase speed an just make the whole gaming experience better.

The Hardware will be improved as well from 60 frames per second to a blazing 100 frames per second. This will cut the latency time in half to ~8-9milliseconds. There will be some additional LEDs and some cleanup to the asthetics of the unit. Polishing, etc...



Will you be offering both versions or is the new TrackIR 2 replacing the current version?

Complete Replacement. Older units will no longer be available.


What is the cost going to be?

The same. $129


Can I order a TrackIR2 yet?

Yes. All orders that are placed before the official ship date of November 1st, will be fulfilled on a first come first served basis. This means, place your order early and reserve a place in line. Also, all pre-orders will receive a free complimentary TrackHAT ($20 value).

note i took this from catchlov


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Message Edited on 10/22/0307:17PM by tenmmike

T_O_A_D
10-23-2003, 07:06 AM
Cool I only hope I don't have to sell the old one just to keep up with the Jone's LOL

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:17 PM
I guess this is a good place to post my recent TrackIR experiences...

To start, I've had a TrackIR for a few months now and have only fooled around with it half-heartedly because it was just..missing something. It wasn't precise enough or fast enough for a heated dogfight. I tried many different configuration using the "stock" reflective dots that come with it(up to 6 dots in a pyramid arrangement on the bill of my cap) with limited effectiveness.

I had seen TOAD's "fix" before and must admit I was skeptical....until now. I decided to give it one more legitimate try before deciding whether to sell it or not. I went to Michaels (the craft store) and got all the materials for about $6.00. I got a small bag of 3/4" pre-drilled wooden balls, some 1/8" dowel rod, self-adhesive velcro strips and reflective tape.

Assembly took about 5-10 minutes...literally, and attached right to the bill of my ball cap. I cut the dowel rod to about 5" and it sticks over the bill of my cap by about 2-3", but doesn't interfere in any way with my vision.

I fired up the TIR and started the game in QMB...OMG! WOW! The difference wasn't just noticeable, it was like day and night!

At this point, I still need to get more used to it but after a couple hours online last night, I was already starting to hit my stride. If anything, it's too sensitive and I need to tweak it down a bit. I told TOAD I would take some pics of my little variation and post. (Iwas going to last night, but kept flying instead /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:26 PM
If this thing is refreshing at 100htz, then I will consider it. Also there needs to be a a button I can press to make it toggle in and out of hatswitch vs track IR mode (don't want this thing running full time)

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:29 PM
A toggle key already exists to switch between TIR and hatswitch modes.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 01:43 PM
Personally I don't want to fork out more money for an extra 40Hz. Let's hope the new software is also compatible with the original TrackIR and so we get some "polish" there for free.

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Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 01:56 PM
- If this thing is refreshing at 100htz, then I will
- consider it.

It is supposed to refresh at 60htz, I thought the human eye couldn't tell past 40?

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 02:02 PM
Hawgdog wrote:
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-- If this thing is refreshing at 100htz, then I will
-- consider it.
-
- It is supposed to refresh at 60htz, I thought the
- human eye couldn't tell past 40?


That is just a myth. Heck I will bet you a thousand dollars I can tell if my monitor is at 60hz. It literally attacks my eyes. I can tell the difference between my mouse at 85 sampling rate and 100 (I set it for 200), let alone some thing that only refreshes at 60hz!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 02:05 PM
Yup, you can tell the difference. If you can't actually see the flicker that 60Hz produces (and I can!) then over time your eyes will certainly become tired when forced to stare at it... tell me you run the refresh rate of your monitor higher than 60Hz Hawg please /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





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Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 02:07 PM
I thought monitor refresh rates and devices (like trackIR) refresh rates were different. I know flat screens dont refresh like CRT screens, even tho they use the same 'advertised' refresh numbers.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 02:45 PM
Hawgdog wrote:
- I thought monitor refresh rates and devices (like
- trackIR) refresh rates were different. I know flat
- screens dont refresh like CRT screens, even tho they
- use the same 'advertised' refresh numbers.
-

It's true dawg, you can easily tell the difference between 60Hz and 100Hz but even still you don't get the "full" 60Hz out of the device in practice because there is always some extrapolation due to the distance your dot is from the unit. What I can say is it isn't AS necessary for looking out a cockpit (although the more the better).

For example: set your mouse to 60Hz and move it around the screen fast. Not so good, eh? Well, now stop moving the mouse and you can't see any difference between that and a 2000Mhz Razor Boomslang! Luckily in the cockpit you only move your head to a section of sky to track your enemy and keep your head still while your eyes follow him. JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE!

With that said, having a higher refresh is ALWAYS welcome! Just like having a higher minimum framerate in your favourite high-paced game.

Oh, and I will be able to let you guys know after this weekend how well the new TIR2 is working! I've been invited on to the beta-test team and should be receiving a prototype after the weekend (barring any NDA silliness). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 02:52 PM
Hey,prik

Which driver have you found to be the best for FB? The new ones, a beta set, an older set?
Do you need to completely remove the drivers or upgrades or changes?
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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:09 PM
The best drivers are the newest ones which I think are at 2.11 but I'm using 2.2 beta and don't find any real difference. All the necessary features have been in for a while now.

Yes, it is best to uninstall the old ones first although the only circumstance where it seems to matter is if you want to enable the Linda Blair 180 view which won't stay on if you just install over top the old ones for some reason. LB is a bit disorienting anyway so it's probably best to stick with restricted view.

The more important thing is to set up your tracking properly with a full sweep left and right without getting ANY red boxes which will create stutter in the game as it loses tracking. You want to have the dots as close to the receiver as possible and able to see the shape of the dots at extreme left/right (which btw shouldn't need be any farther than pointing your dots at the edge of your monitor.)

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Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 03:17 PM
PriK wrote:
- important thing is to set up your tracking
- properly with a full sweep left and right without
- getting ANY red boxes which will create stutter in
- the game as it loses tracking. - Hope this helps, Dawg!

You have no idea- this could be the mysterious stutter I get even with very high fps. I'm using a 1"x2" reflective strip on the front of the ball hat- maybe time for toadies setup, thanks ~S~


indeed, just checked tracking and while it never leaves the "box" it does have a sprinkling of tiny red boxes mixed into the main yellow box. I assume this was no big deal. Moving my head around they would come and go. ahhh sooo grasshopper
thanks- time to go shopping at some nancy craft shop for supplies Toad!

Message Edited on 10/23/0310:20AM by Hawgdog

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:29 PM
Hawgdog wrote:
- You have no idea- this could be the mysterious
- stutter I get even with very high fps. I'm using a
- 1"x2" reflective strip on the front of the ball hat-
- maybe time for toadies setup, thanks ~S~
-
-
-
- indeed, just checked tracking and while it never
- leaves the "box" it does have a sprinkling of tiny
- red boxes mixed into the main yellow box. I assume
- this was no big deal. Moving my head around they
- would come and go. ahhh sooo grasshopper
- thanks- time to go shopping at some nancy craft shop
- for supplies Toad!


This is almost exactly the setup I was using originally. It was better than just one (or three!) dots, but still a 2 dimensional surface. The convex surface allows for MUCH better tracking.



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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:52 PM
Man I cannot wait to but a TIR. But I'm going to so that I can buy TIR2! Great news that the price won't be hiked up.

I was trying to search this forum for a trk file I remember someone posting for download that showed the TIR in use. Well, no surprise but I couldn't. What I DID find was this avi file

http://www.yippee38.us/media/DivXIL2FB_Combat.avi

and it was all I needed to see to make the purchase, roll on TIR2 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif





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Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 03:59 PM
Thats the track file that SOLD me on the track IR, its an I-16 going up against three early 109's. yupper, watched the clip three or four times and placed the order.
I'm guessing the new IR will be much better unit. Too back there wont be a patch or a hack of some kind to increase the res on the old unit.

ok, ball it is...

~S~ toadie for the pics

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:24 PM
FYI folks, I came up with a great enhancement/workaround for the dots and/or hat approach:

I bought some black elastic material at a dollar store (like the stuff for elastic waist-bands), and a small rounded button, as well as a strip of velcro.

I cut the elastic to roughly the size of my head, I put velcro on each end, and ended up with an adjustable, very thin headband (less than 1cm thick). Then I sewed the button on, put about 4 trackIR dots on it, and voila, perfect head tracking. Works GREAT and I don't really even notice I have it on.

Better than a hat IMO.

I suppose you could just get a headband and do the same thing but this approach makes for a much thinner headband.


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:32 PM
I use a black metal binder clip with a single dot attached to the bill of a ball cap. I couldn't controll the movement well enough with the dot on my forehead. Plus it has the benefit of moving the dot closer to the reciever.

100 hz refresh sounds damned good. Looks like dads getting a free TIR soon while I'm getting an upgrade http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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T_O_A_D
10-23-2003, 05:12 PM
This is great news Guys!

Oh Dex you are right I have tested half of a ball it works just aswell as a full ball. The only thing I've found so far is the 3/4 ball will allow you to sit further from monitor than a smaller ball will without loosing tracking. I use no booms for ball or TIR devise. and sit 2 1/2 feet from TIR during flying, but if I'm on a long mission I lean back about 4 1/2 feet, and hit F11 via joystick and return my view to center, then am able to look around in cocpit normally from this that distance aswell.

Keep it up guys! If any of the rest of ya are using the Ball thing let us know. I'd like to hear it! It pleases me a whole lot to know that I had something to do with improving your immersion of theis game by improving you TIR . It the only satisfaction I'll be getting I'm sure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:19 PM
My current setup is a bit clumsy but effective. I use the baseball cap and taped a "boom" extension on the bill to bring the dot closer to the receiver. On the end of the boom is a 1/2" vertical cylindar piece (roughly larger than the diameter of a pen tube but only about an inch high) which has the dot cluster wrapped around it.

This helps when you are looking at the far edges of your screen so the tracking software can still make out the aspect (dot shape) without it becoming a thin line like it would be if it was flat.

Having the dot on your forhead means you don't get the larger arc (side-to-side throw) and consequently have to up your speed settings to make up for it resulting in less resolution.


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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:16 PM
For the best performance - get rid of the dot setup and make an active dot - turn off the LED's on the unit - then you have tracir tracking the (small) active dot on your mic boom..

It cost about $14 (us) to build - getting all the parts from your local radio shack... super simple to make and increases the perfomance of the unit 1000 fold....

I never loose tracking - i never have tracking stutter - the only time i have any problems with it is when i forget to turn on the active dot - which is an easy flip of a switch I mounted on my joystick...

I can post instruction on how to build if you guys need it - if you can solder you can build it....

Hawgdog
10-23-2003, 07:16 PM
BM357_Disciple wrote:
- For the best performance - get rid of the dot setup
- and make an active dot - turn off the LED's on the
- unit - then you have

yes, post a pic if you can, or detailed instructions.


FWIW, I just got back from patcattans and bought a hard styrofoam ball (3/4") a balsa wood 1\4"x1\2" Used small set screws and epoxy to attach the boom to the top of my headset. Havent put reflector on ball yet, but its so light I cant tell its there. The boom is about a foot long.
Three balls, on 2' stick of balsa Less than a buck.
I thought about booming the ball right to the lens...but that close every heartbeat makes the rig jump.


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T_O_A_D
10-23-2003, 09:38 PM
Here is another way Ive done it.


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Assortment of Aligator clips Radio Shack $2.69

Drilled balls so clip would slide in snug.

Takes a bit longer to build than the glasses but then you need a pair of old glasses that need the lenses popped out.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 09:52 PM
part # 276-143. This is a very nice IR LED with a peak output at 880nm, right were the trackIR wants you to be.

You will need 3V of forward voltage to make it light up so just use 2 AAA batteries

Run a min of 50 ohms inline resistance.

If you are at the Shack then buy a pack of 50 ohm resistors and a 500ohm(or similar) trim pot.

Put them in series so you can play with the brightness of the LED and not burn it out.

Also - pick up a small double "AAA" battery holder - and the small project box (ask the Radio Shack Rep they will know what you are talking about)

I'll take some pics of the setup - but basicly I have a small box with 2 switche; one for IR-Led and second switch for 2 red LED I have mounted on each speaker on my headphone - so i can flip the switch and flood the keyboard area with a red light when I am flying at night with all the lights off...
I have this mounted on my throttle - with a wire running up my headphone wire then out to the end of my mic boom - no extra waight has been added - since i placed the battery box and switch on the throttle - most other recommend mounting the entire assembly on you headset - one wire wighs alot less than 2 AAA batteries and a project box.

I also got a small circiut board "optional" to mount wire it up - it may be easier for you to just wire it together (soldering each connection)

When soldering - may sure you are at a good soldering temp - and remember heat your part up then place the solder on the part to be soldered - not the gun - and most important - a little solder goes a long - long way... don't over do it....

But basicaly you wire the "-" on the battery to the "-" on the Led.

Then the + battery gets a wire.

That's then wired to the resistor then next to the trim pot.
[The back pin and the middle pin with the third not wired.]

then from the middle pin of the trim pot to the first Switch pin.

then from the second switch pin to the + LED pin.

Think of Wire as pipes and power as water with resistor as a water meter to bring to pressure down.

The trim pot as a valve in the faucet to control the rate of flow.

And the switch as a on off valve...so if you follow the flow you should be able to wire it up.

You can check to see at each stage if your wired right by connecting it to the LED + and then by holding it up to the Track unit and looking on the Advanced set up box to see if it's tracking, also the green tracking light will come on the top of the unit.


The Led IR will not be visible as lit up

I placed the actual IR LED in some black shrink wrap bending the leads 90 degrees (picture will explain it when I post)

I have used this unit for 3 months now - and have only replaced the batteries twice - the first time because I left it on over the weekend - it still tracked but tracked like I was using the reflective dots....

I have also started to build on that plugs in - however I have forgotten about it and not found the time to start back - but I will restart and take pics for each stage (mainly for wiring diagrams)

T_O_A_D
10-23-2003, 11:56 PM
Good work BM357_Disciple

If someone would of layed it out like youn are and doing I'd of done that first without thinking of mine Because I new of the active dot already but had no clue how to do it. And I like making stuff techno geek through and through. I just might make one just for sport to see if its an improvment!

I would most suredly would kill my batteries in the middle of the night And one of my kids will most likely used up all my spares, when I needed them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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The moral: when you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:06 AM
Like I said - though - I use mine alot - and leave it on over night at times - and have only had to replace the batteries twice in about 3 months (the first set was out of the first remote I could lay my hands on - wife was a little outraged when she tried to turn on her TV though -

But for like another 15 bucks you could add a 3v ac adapter if your worried about the batteries...

One other note - to save on battery life - use the pot to turn down the LED to where TrackIR can track it well enough -

To get an idea of how this would work in your settings - take a tv remote - turn off the led's in track software and point the remote at the unit (press several different buttons on the remote - keep in mind that most remotes use a rapide on/off (flashing) LED to send commands and the LED is in a housing and most have a cover shield over them so it will not be as effective as the Active unit - but you will get an Idea as to how well it will track compared to a reflective dot setup

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:11 AM
http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=81;t=000422

Good info for setting up an active unit, been there, done that.

T_O_A_D
10-24-2003, 12:18 AM
BfHeFwMe wrote:
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- imatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=81;t=000422</a>
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- Good info for setting up an active unit, been there,
- done that.



Too bad its so old all the pic's are gone.

So been there done that? What you doing now?


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lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a
hunter came along and shot him...
The moral: when you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.

Hawgdog
10-24-2003, 03:46 AM
Well after tonight, I'm giving up. Cant get it to work to my satisfaction. Maybe the led rig will work but its back to the logitech mouse LOL

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:05 AM
Sorry to hear that Dawg but if you ever want to give it another shot let me know and I'll do what I can to help you figure it out. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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T_O_A_D
10-24-2003, 07:34 AM
Hawgdog wrote:
- Well after tonight, I'm giving up. Cant get it to
- work to my satisfaction. Maybe the led rig will work
- but its back to the logitech mouse LOL



DAWG We need to get on Team speak I'll be around all day tommorrow. Turn on your msn I still have you on it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:47 PM
I have a TIR2 inbound and have been keeping up with the fourms on this subject so that I have a good idea of setting it up when it gets here.
I would like to ask a question to you that have TrackIR installed and using it, but first I will tell you where my idea came from. I am a helicopter mech for the US Army and have worked a lot on the AH-64 and it uses the same set up for the pilots flying it, only it has 4 tracking devices, one in each corner of the cockpit with the rear ones being only 8-10 inches from the pilots head, tracking four "dots" on the pilots helmet.
Here is a quote from PriK:
"You want to have the dots as close to the receiver as possible......"
So here is my question: Would it work to mount the reciever close behind you (12 inches or less) and putting the dots no the back of your head?
I know that most gamers arn't able to do this but I am building a "cockpit" for my flight simming and it would be easy to incorperate this into it. Please let me know what you think.

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T_O_A_D
10-24-2003, 06:19 PM
@ Darkhorse_4thFG

I'm not sure but the TIR software has the ability to customize it location for laying sideways and hanging upsid down. If I'm thinking correctly to put it behind it would need to be set for upside down and hung upside down behind you to work properly but thats just a theory. I would have to test and just see to know for sure. Oh and with a large enough target it does not have to be close. I sit 2 to 2 1/2 feet from mine all the time. I can lean back easily 4 foot in my chair and only have to hit F12 to recenter for it to work again from that distance. I hit F11 actually since I remapped it.

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After eating an entire bull, a mountain
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The moral: when you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 05:41 PM
It said in the original post that you can pre-order TrackIR 2, but I haven't been able to find where on their website that is. I just find the standard version. Does anyone have a link?

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 05:48 PM
It's a real shame imo that after spending $120 I would have to buy a new complete version for another $120

I would suspect they will no longer support the original version.

My TIR works great, not a single issue.



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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:18 PM
Can I have a link to where I can pre-order TIR2 please?

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:22 PM
http://www.trackir.com/

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:31 PM
Actually, anyone who orders a TIR (at least from their site) will automatically be put in line for a TIR2 unit regardless. They will be shipped on a first-come-first-served basis and include a free tracking hat.


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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 10:47 PM
Thanks T_O_A_D

Just tested your .tir file and it works great with 8 dots on a boom mike. Spotted some styrofoam balls the other day in a craft store but don't know what is the best reflector tape. Will keep browsing this site as the answer is probably already here somewhere.

By the way, your profile didn't improve my shooting any LOL.

OC

Power to the noobs.

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 11:31 PM
Jim at Naturalpoint already said all future software would be backwards compatable. Guy mounting it from behind, shouldn't be a problem, the option for reversing X and Y axis is in the software setup. That's a right clever idea Mister, think I'll experement a little with it.
Only possible drawback is light interferance being emitted directly from your monitor into the unit.


Message Edited on 10/25/0305:33PM by BfHeFwMe

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 03:03 AM
Backward works great, much closer so smaller head movements needed. Only one axis needs to be reversed, you'll have to get the dot away from your neck a bit for the side swings, just not enough throw right at the bone. A hat works fine with it on the bill turned backward.

XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 03:11 AM
yep

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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 04:12 AM
Just ordered one a couple days ago and got this with my confirmation.


Hello,

Thank you for your recent TrackIR order. At this time we are pleased to announce that we are currently in transition to a new product, the TrackIR2. With a more powerful imager, faster frame rate and easier installation, the TrackIR2 will be superior in every respect.
Instead of sending you a current generation product, we would like to send you a TrackIR2 when they ship at the end of October. As a bonus, we will also send you a TrackHat a $20 value) free of charge.

If you find this acceptable, please feel free to do nothing, other than prepare yourself your product will ship to you in the manner that you have selected as soon as stock of the new TrackIR2 becomes available. However, if you wish to cancel this order and place it at a later date, please contact us at sales@naturalpoint.com or call us at 1.888.865.5535.

We apologize for any inconvenience this issue may cause and we hope you enjoy the new addition to our NaturalPoint/TrackIR family the TrackIR2.





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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 02:32 PM
Thanks for posting that. I found the catalog, but its not written anywhere on their site that is what they are doing. It still just says TrackIR GX or whatever.


DOG-SneakyPete wrote:
- Just ordered one a couple days ago and got this with
- my confirmation.
-
-
- Hello,
-
- Thank you for your recent TrackIR order. At this
- time we are pleased to announce that we are
- currently in transition to a new product, the
- TrackIR2. With a more powerful imager, faster frame
- rate and easier installation, the TrackIR2 will be
- superior in every respect.
- Instead of sending you a current generation product,
- we would like to send you a TrackIR2 when they ship
- at the end of October. As a bonus, we will also send
- you a TrackHat a $20 value) free of charge.
-
- If you find this acceptable, please feel free to do
- nothing, other than prepare yourself your product
- will ship to you in the manner that you have
- selected as soon as stock of the new TrackIR2
- becomes available. However, if you wish to cancel
- this order and place it at a later date, please
- contact us at sales@naturalpoint.com or call us at
- 1.888.865.5535.
-
- We apologize for any inconvenience this issue may
- cause and we hope you enjoy the new addition to our
- NaturalPoint/TrackIR family the TrackIR2.




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XyZspineZyX
10-26-2003, 04:33 PM
My test unit arrives on Monday, and the 3.0 drivers are already in beta (yes they are backward compatible).

I can't wait!

There are a couple other little bonuses with the TIR2 that I can't mention atm but stay tuned...


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