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Abbuzze
07-20-2004, 10:34 AM
http://www.publikation-deutschland.de/content/heft/art-eng/art4.html

It´s 60 years ago now that the most famous assassination against Hitler with a bomb faild.
Claus von Stauffenberg and his coconspirators were executed at the same day. Many others were killd in the time after.

It´t also interesting that there were 40 (!) attempts to kill Hitler- we all know that noone was succsessfull...

My tribute to all this brave men and women!!

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Abbuzze
07-20-2004, 10:34 AM
http://www.publikation-deutschland.de/content/heft/art-eng/art4.html

It´s 60 years ago now that the most famous assassination against Hitler with a bomb faild.
Claus von Stauffenberg and his coconspirators were executed at the same day. Many others were killd in the time after.

It´t also interesting that there were 40 (!) attempts to kill Hitler- we all know that noone was succsessfull...

My tribute to all this brave men and women!!

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NorrisMcWhirter
07-20-2004, 11:14 AM
Hi,

I'm glad you raised this - I was reading about it also and forgot to post about it.

What is a shame is that quite a few of the people involved have had to fight hard to 'clear their names' right up until death.

A s! both to the brave people who died and those who survived but had to suffer the long term consequences.

Regards,
Norris

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Jenny_B
07-20-2004, 11:17 AM
A sad example of German over engineering: the bomb was designed to have just enough blast for the job. If they had just stuffed Stauffenberg's briefcase with all the explosives they could fit into it, the result could have been better.

Hans Helmut Kirst has written a good novel based on the event and the brave people involved in it.

--Jenny

Breeze147
07-20-2004, 11:24 AM
History International last night showed a segment of Hitler's Generals on Rommell. I kept waiting that for them to give some inside information on Rommell's involvement, but the only thing that was said was that he knew of the plot and did nothing to stop it and that he was prepared to make a seperate peace treaty with the Western countries. Of course, they then went on to show the events leading up to his suicide, including the fact that his burial wreath was already made up before he made his decision.

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Jirozaemon
07-20-2004, 12:42 PM
Greetings !

The bomb had enough power to kill the whole staff if the meeting had taken place in the bunker as it was planed. But in that wooden barack the energy of the blast went right trough the windows.

Also you have to remind that Staufenberg only had one arm left and was only able to ignite half of the charge that he left inside the building.

Just my two cents...

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Brotrob
07-20-2004, 01:31 PM
S!

Often these men are assessed onsided as immaculate heroes without mistakes, which they were not, of course. But without any doupt one cant honour these men enough, who gave their lives without hesitation, to free the german people from their spoiler. These men were the true patriots in those times.

My deepest respect and admiration
to their courageousness

Brotrob

Kaesebrot.
07-20-2004, 02:00 PM
Hi

Of the intended ammount of explosives to be placed in Stauffenbergs briefcase, he could only put in half of it, because he was interrupted while preparing the package. Besides, he put the case under a heavy wooden table that Hitler leant over at the moment of detonation.

Its very strange how all that assassination attemps failes due to really weird coincidences... sad but true

p1ngu666
07-20-2004, 02:28 PM
no, someone knocked over the case, and put it back on the other side of the wooden leg/surport.

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Abbuzze
07-20-2004, 02:44 PM
Hmm right words were here spoken.
Some of this men where far away from being democrats! Some of them were convinced Nazis at the beginning of the war, others were involved in war crimes, they even had no common idea what should real happens after they got the governmental power. But they got the common idea to get rid of Hitler...

So at least this men shows that human beings have the ability to learn and change their minds!

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HuninMunin
07-21-2004, 03:00 AM
Stauffenberg used only half of the explosives he carried with him.

The reason was that he only wanted to kill Hitler, not the surrounding fellow officiers.

Thats always the problem with revolutions, the good guys aren`t as "evil" as the bad guys and some act of mercy or humanity sets them back.

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panther3485
07-21-2004, 04:04 AM
Hi guys!

I've been reading a book called 'PLOTTING HITLER'S DEATH - The German Resistance to Hitler' by Joachim Fest. Somewhat heavy in places, but a very detailed and interesting read, covering the full spectrum of anti-Hitler resistance from 1933 to 1945.

Regarding what you guys have been discussing, I would like to offer the following quote from this book:

(The scene is shortly after Stauffenberg's arrival at Rastenberg. Stauffenberg and Haeften have just withdrawn into the lounge in Keitel's bunker, to prepare the bombs.....)

"...Stauffenberg set about installing and arming a fuse in the first bomb. He had barely begun, however, when a most unfortunately timed telephone call came from General Fellgiebel, who asked to speak with Stauffenberg on urgent business. Freyend sent Platoon Sergeant Werner Vogel back to the bunker to urge Stauffenberg to hurry.

As Vogel entered the lounge, he saw the two officers stowing something into one of the briefcases. He informed them of the call, adding that the others were waiting for them outside. Meanwhile, Freyend shouted from the entrance, "Stauffenberg, please come along!" With Vogel standing in the doorway, Stauffenberg closed the briefcase as swiftly as possible while Haeften swept up the papers that were lying around and stuffed them into the other briefcase.

Fellgiebel's telephone call and the intrusion of Sergeant Vogel may well have determined the course of history, for it is likely that they prevented Stauffenberg from arming the fuse on the second package of explosives. No one knows for certain why Stauffenberg did not place the second bomb in the briefcase alongside the one whose timer had already been activated, since the explosion of one would surely have set off the other as well.

Some have claimed that both charges would have been too bulky and heavy to carry into the briefing room unobtrusively. This argument is hardly convincing, however, as the bombs weighed only about two pounds each, and Haeften had carried them both around in his briefcase earlier without any problems.

Stauffenberg was certainly nervous, and Vogel's sudden appearance in the room must have given him a fright, but the most probable explanation for his bringing only the one bomb is that he was not fully aware of how such explosives work. Believing that a single bomb would suffice, he probably did not adequately consider the cumulative effect of two bombs......What is clear, according to experts, is that the inclusion of the second charge, even without a detonator, would have magnified the power of the blast not twofold but many times, killing everyone in the room outright."

Interesting stuff, eh?

Best regards to all,
panther3485