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TheGozr
01-12-2004, 04:57 PM
What is to your opinion?

Goods and cons?

-GOZR

TheGozr
01-12-2004, 04:57 PM
What is to your opinion?

Goods and cons?

-GOZR

TheGozr
01-12-2004, 05:50 PM
I'm almost to the point to get the X45... so?
thx

-GOZR

Bogun
01-12-2004, 06:01 PM
I have tried both and didn't like either.
X45 just plane too balky and uncomfortable.
EVO is OK, button placement is about right, but the centering force is somewhat greater then what I would like. Also, there is a problem with the need to re-calibrate the joystick every time you boot your PC.
I have played with EVO for two months and now switched back to my trusted Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold. My aerial gunnery accuracy is back where it used to be around %11.

Regards,

AKA_Bogun
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- Walter Wolfrum

TheGozr
01-12-2004, 06:17 PM
yea i have that trouble of recalibrate http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

-GOZR

TheGozr
01-12-2004, 06:23 PM
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/images/product/pcp/cyborg_gold.jpg

-GOZR

XyZspineZyX
01-12-2004, 06:27 PM
The X-45 Rocks! 54 progammable buttons. You never have to use your keyboard!

I've had no problems with mine. Easy to set up, just follow the SST software guide. Plenty of profiles availalbe from our community and Saitek.

(Make sure to use the most recent drivers, not what comes with the CD.)

For more info:

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x45.htm

For current drivers and software:

http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/down/drivers.htm

Once you've tried a HOTAS, you won't go back!



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TheGozr
01-12-2004, 07:47 PM
I did download the newest (435) driver and boy what a difference the stick is so much stable i can actually heat something now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif like a rail

i also put less sensitivity to the joystick in game and it's way better .

but i still want to try the X45

-GOZR

T_O_A_D
01-12-2004, 08:00 PM
X-45
CH Rudder USB pro pedals
+ TrakIr
___________
= loads of Fun!!

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aerick2
01-12-2004, 08:02 PM
The X45 is a kickass stick. I have never regretted spending $80 on it. Some people dislike the rudder control, but I don't have a problem with it.

Bearcat99
01-12-2004, 10:13 PM
Apples and oranges..... the only thing they have in common is the manufacturer and the fact that they both are joysticks. The X45 is in a league by itself. It is after all a HOTAS setup.

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Op_Nimrod
01-12-2004, 11:44 PM
You have to bear in mind 2 things. Firstly the price of the sticks. Considering how low a price the evo is it is a superb stick.
Secondly, if like me you happen to be left-handed the range of comfortable sticks with easy access to throttle and all buttons is severely limited.
I have the evo and have never experienced any drift problems and love the stick

FI.Red.Lichtie
01-13-2004, 02:58 AM
Just bought the evo yesterday, as my logitech started clicking and wobbling all over the place.

First thoughts are that it is miles better than my old logitech, but I think the throttle on the logitech was positioned better.
Rudder control on the evo is super dooper!!

I went for the evo as I couldnt justify spending double for the x45. One day maybe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SUPERAEREO
01-13-2004, 05:55 AM
I use a Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold and it's great: it's inexpensive, well made, confortable and precise, it stores away neatly and it doesn't make me look like a nerd (although I secretly AM one).

zodicus1
01-13-2004, 06:08 AM
are any of these sticks force feed back???

IAFS_Painter
01-13-2004, 06:23 AM
I like the X45 - but it is a bulky beast.
Make sure you can reach all of the buttons.
I need a low shelf just to get my hand arround the top of the stick.

I've seen some very good (low) prices on some US sites.

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Unless I've corrected it here

Bogun
01-13-2004, 07:10 AM
Just one more word.
When I was choosing the joystick price was not a criteria at all.
I have all CH Pro USB setup Fighterstick, Trottle and Pedals.
I was thinking of Cougar, but reading of all the problems with it ? discarded the idea.
I have tried X45 for two weeks. I have been using Saitek EVO for two month.

My conclusion - Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold - the Best Joystick is based purely on its convenience and usability in IL-2 FB.
By the way, I'm also using CH Throttle with it so there is no need for the keyboard while playing FB.

Regards,

AKA_Bogun
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?The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the ?K?. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability.?

- Walter Wolfrum

TheGozr
01-13-2004, 09:21 AM
CH Throttle , what is that? A link plz http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-GOZR

[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue January 13 2004 at 09:05 AM.]

Bogun
01-13-2004, 10:44 AM
Here CH Pro Throttle USB:
http://www.maximum3d.com/reviews/prothrottle.htm

Regards,

AKA_Bogun
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"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum

TheGozr
01-13-2004, 12:24 PM
Cool THX a bit pricy.

I was concidaring this option
http://www.costcentral.com/images/C32467.jpg
I went and tried it this morning and i was very very please with the feeling of it.

The X45 is defenitly weird on the position and "NO RUDDER" You must have a hudge hand to feel confy with it.
I like to have the throttle separate from the handle too.
The EVO since yesterday after the new driver and smoother setups is a killer.

So what do you think of the Nostromo N52 Speed pad? around 30 $

-GOZR
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TheGozr
01-13-2004, 12:39 PM
TOAD do you have a Hudge hand? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Mine" is not small but is not hudge etheir.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Ok i have a long noze....

-GOZR
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tttiger
01-13-2004, 12:45 PM
I'm on my third Cyborg 3D (they do wear out) and haven't found anything I like better. As longas they keep making them, I'll buy a new one every two years or so.

Saitek provides exceptional customer support.

The Saiteck force feedback sticks all have been very disappointing. And CH (I started out with a Flightstick Pro and it lasted for years) products have become downright flimsy.

But I have to admit that X-45 looks great. It's waaay too big for mey desk, so it isn't a consideration but if I had the space, I'd sure like to have one.

ttt

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TheGozr
01-13-2004, 01:16 PM
When i got the Evo from Comp USA i got a insurance of one year for the joystick.
I'll bring it back and get a new one if it breaaaakKK..

-GOZR
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[This message was edited by TheGozr on Tue January 13 2004 at 12:27 PM.]

Bogun
01-13-2004, 01:37 PM
TheGozr,
Congrads with new joystick.

When you will get used to it - start checking your accuracy in the game - it should be above %10 for aerial gunnery.
If accuracy is below that - you will need to find better joystick responce curves for yourself.

My Nostromo n50 is tottaly unusable as a throttle for IL-2.
Its scrollwheel is so jumpy - it is impossible to finely control the throttle or prop settings.

Regards,

AKA_Bogun
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"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the 'K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum

TheGozr
01-13-2004, 01:46 PM
So the N52 is a good plus infact http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
scrollwheel for Trims..

-GOZR
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TheGozr
01-13-2004, 01:46 PM
)(*(&^^%*(*&^_ now i need to go back there again and get my N52...

-GOZR
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georgeo76
01-13-2004, 06:02 PM
I got a speed pad for Christmas and love it. I mostly got it to use w/ LOMAC and haven't made a profile for FB yet, but I'm sure it will come in handy. Much better than a keyboard because it's much easier to find buttons w/o looking @ it. Plus they come w/ an extra hat and slider http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:

I was concidaring this option
http://www.costcentral.com/images/C32467.jpg
I went and tried it this morning and i was very very please with the feeling of it.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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TheGozr
01-13-2004, 07:19 PM
That it got it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-GOZR
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TheGozr
01-13-2004, 11:36 PM
when i plug it i can't make the Joystick work

do you have a trick?

-GOZR
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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-14-2004, 07:37 AM
I noticed I had to recalibrate my evo after rebooting, but I found this new beta driver from saitek that may fix it. I havent installed it yet (still downloading and I'm at work)
its 48Mb!!
here is the link NOTE its for XP only!!

http://www.saitek.com/uk/down/evobeta.htm

TheGozr
01-14-2004, 10:06 AM
Yes the 435 is the new one and and fixed my evo calibration problem.. geat stuff it's a MUST.

-GOZR
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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-15-2004, 02:30 AM
Hi Gozr,

I installed the new beta drivers but it messed up my rudder (always off center) and the calibration tab disappeared.

Glad it worked for you tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
01-15-2004, 03:05 AM
tHe rudder on the EVO right.?

What i did is that mine too was off at start than after 30 sec ingame it correct itself..

-GOZR
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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-15-2004, 03:15 AM
Thanks for the info

yes mine is an evo. I will give the driver another go

cheers

Lipfert_5JG52
01-18-2004, 12:06 AM
Has anyone had success with getting the n50 throttle wheel working properly?

I can only goto a maximum of 90% throttle. How did you program it, as Z axis?

Heavy_Weather
01-18-2004, 06:58 AM
.......get the X45 w/throttle.

"The wise man is often the man who plays dumb."

Santini3
01-22-2004, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
I use a Saitek Cyborg 3D Gold and it's great: it's inexpensive, well made, confortable and precise, it stores away neatly and it doesn't make me look like a nerd (although I secretly AM one
Finally someone with the same stick as me. Have you had any problems with assigning buttons and do you have a prefered profile for lo-mac?

BaldieJr
01-22-2004, 02:19 PM
The X45 is good if you simply must use the word HOTAS whenever possible.

Otherwise, Its a horrible stick. The X35 was far better.

I'm on a Wingman FFB now, but I don't plug the power adapter in. Its light, precise, and doesn't require hands the size of a gorillas.

I still use the X45 throttle + pedals, however.

Eventually, I'm going to gut the X45 electronics and make myself a box full of programable buttons/sliders http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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depalmer
01-22-2004, 05:06 PM
I have never had a X45 but I am using the Evo
I like it better then my old Wingman 3d digital.
Work best with the "beta" XP driver up on Saitek's web page. One can't beat the price for the Evo and the X45 doesn't have the twist rudder on the handle I am used to. Frankly it's probably a matter of taste.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
What is to your opinion?

Goods and cons?

-GOZR<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

kyrule2
01-22-2004, 10:48 PM
I love the Evo except for throttle placement. I gotta have two hands on my joystick and a twist throttle so X45 was out.

Bought mine from Circuit City and for extra $10 I got 2 year warranty, even if I break it or a button simply starts cutting out. Nice.

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