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Thundervip1er
06-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Hi. I am new to IL-2 and was wondering if the P-38 is flyable, if so where do I find it.
Thank you.

Thundervip1er
06-29-2004, 12:48 PM
Hi. I am new to IL-2 and was wondering if the P-38 is flyable, if so where do I find it.
Thank you.

Bluntage
06-29-2004, 12:50 PM
It is! You can find it in the Aces Expansion pack, two variants, in fact! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-29-2004, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bluntage:
It is! You can find it in the Aces Expansion pack, two variants, in fact! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DONT GET TOO HAPPY, THE ROLL RATE IS ATROCIOUS.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45

Gibbage1
06-29-2004, 01:15 PM
Upgrade to 2.01 and its fixed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bluntage:
It is! You can find it in the Aces Expansion pack, two variants, in fact! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DONT GET TOO HAPPY, THE ROLL RATE IS ATROCIOUS.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

BS87
06-29-2004, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bluntage:
It is! You can find it in the Aces Expansion pack, two variants, in fact! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DONT GET TOO HAPPY, THE ROLL RATE IS ATROCIOUS.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In 2.01 its fine, if you fly it right.

Korolov
06-29-2004, 01:59 PM
The P-38 didn't roll good unless you played with the throttles. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

VF-2_John_Banks
06-29-2004, 03:09 PM
Yeah but the throttle trick doesn't work in the game, due to the limited physics engine!

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-29-2004, 04:00 PM
whatever tricks or knacks do or dont work, the p38 is a poor choice as a fighter. Maybe I'm inept, but the 110 is a much bette rplace for me.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45

Korolov
06-29-2004, 04:31 PM
Oh god, not this "P-38 sucks!" blasphemy again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-29-2004, 04:41 PM
hey now, i didna say it sucked. it has good firepower.... It just flys more like a level bomber than a fighter.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45

BS87
06-29-2004, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eXtra_Corrosiv:
hey now, i didna say it sucked. it has good firepower.... It just flys more like a level bomber than a fighter.

Athlon 3200+ / 2x512 corsair c2pt 3200LL / radeon X800 Pro / Audigy 2 ZS / WinXP / Saitek X45<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have got to be kidding me.... P38 flys like a level bomber...


I'm not even going to respond indepth to that one.

heywooood
06-29-2004, 06:03 PM
check your stick settings before flying the P38

You have to really manhandle the Lightning to get it to fly properly in combat. Using flaps, dive breaks (on the -L ) and occasionally differential thrust, you can get a solution quickly...but she is a BnZ bird mostly.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/3tbm_avenger.jpg
Goin'fishin'

VF-2_John_Banks
06-30-2004, 10:30 AM
The BF-110? You got to be kiddin' me! No way a crappy 110 can compete with a P-38. I have yet to find a BF-110 i can't outfly, outdive and outclimb. When i am in a P-38 and i spot a 110, it's a sure kill, if you know how to avoid the tail gunner.

geetarman
06-30-2004, 01:59 PM
Sorry - but in many ways the P-38 gives the P-51D a run for its money as best US fighter in the game.

Three things - fly fast; fly with altitude and fly agressively.

pcisbest
06-30-2004, 02:39 PM
Yeah, with my settings the P-38 seems to fly fine, and actually roll quite good..well at least as good as any aircraft with a 52ft. wingspan can! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

P-38 performs best at high altitude, and since we dont have to worry about freezing our arses off in FB like P-38 pilots did in real life, I say if you stick to high altitudes and use zooming attacks on enemies at lower altitude, you should be fine right?

BTW does FB model the P-38 engines cutting out at high altitudes? I read that one of the deficiencies with the P-38 was that the oil would congeal at hight altitudes, causing engines problems sometimes.

VF-2_John_Banks
06-30-2004, 02:47 PM
The only real advantage of the Mustang over the P-38 is the higher roll rate. For everything else, i prefer the P-38 over the Stang anytime.

jenikovtaw
06-30-2004, 02:55 PM
P38 looks cooler.

But seriously, its a nice plane, its hard to dogfight 1v1, but thats why you have more than 1 38 flying around.

Also, I love its ground attack capability, doing shallow dives at 750kmh, when controls are heavy heavy heavy...hmm...so fast.

http://www.theartofwarfare.net/ftp/graphics/sigs/EXT-jenikovtaw.jpg

geetarman
06-30-2004, 03:11 PM
Try hanging on the tail of a 109 at 200 kph while he's gyrating around at 750 meters trying to avoid you in your Mustang. You feel that your plane is about to stall at any minute.

Now do the same in a P-38. No problem, particularly with combat flaps. I find the P-38 is the best US aircraft at low speeds. Also, I'll take 4 50's and a cannon over the six .50's anytime.

The 51 (to me) bests the 38 only in terms of higher top speed, much better elevator authority (a real handicap in a 38 even with deployed dive flaps)and a slightly better roll.
I'll also give the Stang a slight nod at high altitude performance.

The 38 (again IMHO) bests the Stang by a tremendous margin in low speed handling, firepower, durability, and rapid acceleration/deceleration.

Their respective combat speeds are close enough that it doesn't make much of a difference. Each has more than enough on hand to catch the bulk of the German, Japanese and British planes.

I find a 38 pilot can score well if they:

1. Fly as fast as possible;
2. Always start with altitude;
3. Fight with a measured level of aggression. You must always attempt to start the fight from a point of advantage in a 38 as it is not agile enough to get out of jams.

For instance, don't climb to attack. Skirt around the battle and gain alt. Get above the e/a (similar to how birds fight) and peck at them. Once a 38 gets on the tail of most other planes, it can be hard to shake because of its superb low speed handling.

Obi_Kwiet
06-30-2004, 04:50 PM
Great, another innocent question turned into a fruitless 14 page flame war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Fw-190D-9
06-30-2004, 04:55 PM
Let me tell ya, I'm a bit of a newbie at FB, but the P-38 does not suck. Today I bounced two P-38s which were on bombing runs. Thought I had one for sure, but Noooo! They turned and I lost sight of them, and after twisting a turning one of them got on my Dora's six and blowe out my engine!

BS87
06-30-2004, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Great, another innocent question turned into a fruitless 14 page flame war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Heh, its still on page 1, and i only see 1 or 2 flames, the rest of the posts seem very constructive.

*Edit: Doh, second page now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif*

VF-2_John_Banks
07-01-2004, 09:09 AM
I have found the P-38 to be agile enough, to turn with any German plane and esp. with the Stang, if the situation was about the same. There are occasions, where you simply can't turn away anymore, no matter what you fly. FW-190s are easy prey and you can easily outclimb them most of the time. 109s are a bit tirckier, due to their better rate of turn but with combat flaps or even landing flaps, you can even turn with the Jap planes, which i often did with great success.

Beside the flight characteristics, the P-38 can take much more damage. The 2 engine layout simply kicks the Stang out of the sky, when it comes to battle damage. One hit in the engine of the Stang and you gotta find a nice place to land. A damaged of crippled engine on the P-38 doesn't ruin your day and you can simply head for home. I sometimes even continue to dogfight against the enemy with one engine, although heavy use of the rudder is necessary here and that way of fighting is a pain for your legs. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The heavy elevator on the P-38 the only real show stopper. AFAIK, the real plane didn't start to become heavy at the speeds, we are seeing in FB, but if you extend the air brakes or the combat flaps in advance, it's no real problem. You simply have to be prepared for that effect.

AnaK774
07-01-2004, 09:20 AM
Sorry mr Banks but P-38 had habit of getting control compression... reason they put those air brakes or dive recovery flaps there

Still it is very potential weapon platform and in hands of some guys really lethal

AKA LeOs.K_Anak

ploughman
07-01-2004, 09:33 AM
I quite like this bird, it's pretty nimble for a twin and if you're having to pull violent manouvers you're playing by the other guys rules so you suck, not the plane. Perversely, I really enjoy getting a damaged P-38 home. Having a fire-extinguisher means a flaming engine isn't a show stopper and I've even managed to set one down having lost the port under-cart without bending any propellers. Very satisfying. I look forward to the Mossie, I hope it's as much fun.

BS87
07-01-2004, 10:24 AM
Ever notice on the P38, and other tricycle planes, the nosewheel never breaks off? I've opened the geat at 700kph in a dive, and the nose wheel just made the plane shake like a banshee but it never tore off. I've had this happen with all the other tricycle plase, it's wierd.

VF-2_John_Banks
07-01-2004, 12:19 PM
I Know it had, but at higher speeds in real life and not at 630kph on the deck like in FB.

Prof.Wizard
07-01-2004, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
I quite like this bird, it's pretty nimble for a twin and if you're having to pull violent manouvers you're playing by the other guys rules so you suck, not the plane. Perversely, I really enjoy getting a damaged P-38 home. Having a fire-extinguisher means a flaming engine isn't a show stopper and I've even managed to set one down having lost the port under-cart without bending any propellers. Very satisfying. I look forward to the Mossie, I hope it's as much fun.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This pretty much sums up my ideas about this great plane, without being a hooligan about it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Let me add to this also the airbrake on the L model which comes pretty handy for rough pull-ups on dive bombings.

BTW, it's definitely more nimble than any other Axis or Allied twin-engined aircraft included in the game so far, and that is correct IMO.

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