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eagleforlife1
06-13-2012, 04:20 PM
We already know that we will be assassinating somebody called Silas as well as John Pitcairn and possibly Charles Lee.

Here are a few other potential targets that I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Warren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Knowlton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Rall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Mercer

Also, anybody reckon that this will somehow be worked into the story?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine)

playassassins1
06-13-2012, 04:23 PM
I don't know about Charles Lee though. They said that you won't be his enemy(Unless the devs are holding a big secret).

eagleforlife1
06-13-2012, 04:36 PM
Oh really. Where did they say that?

playassassins1
06-13-2012, 04:43 PM
I can't find a statement from the devs, but i found this on the wikia of AC.

''During the American Revolution, Charles Lee became an associate of the Assassin (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassins) Connor Kenway (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Connor_Kenway)''

It doesn't really mean that he won't be Connor's target, but he will be an ally.

Link: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Lee

eagleforlife1
06-13-2012, 04:47 PM
Oh ok, I wonder where they got that from.

MasterSimaYi
06-13-2012, 06:56 PM
I can't find a statement from the devs, but i found this on the wikia of AC.

''During the American Revolution, Charles Lee became an associate of the Assassin (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassins) Connor Kenway (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Connor_Kenway)''

It doesn't really mean that he won't be Connor's target, but he will be an ally.

Link: http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_Lee

Associate doesn't mean he isn't an enemy. It is just a way of saying they will interact with each other, since we don't know whether or not he will be a friend or enemy...

Assassin_M
06-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Associate doesn't mean he isn't an enemy. It is just a way of saying they will interact with each other, since we don't know whether or not he will be a friend or enemy...
I was wondering when you`d answer that question:rolleyes:
Seeing as it is concerned with the Wiki..

MasterSimaYi
06-13-2012, 07:04 PM
I was wondering when you`d answer that question:rolleyes:
Seeing as it is concerned with the Wiki..

Good thing I didn't disappoint then. :P It was just coincidence that I saw this though.

playassassins1
06-13-2012, 07:14 PM
Associate doesn't mean he isn't an enemy. It is just a way of saying they will interact with each other, since we don't know whether or not he will be a friend or enemy...

That makes me think about Washington being a target instead of an ally....

Oh, and thanks for clearing it up!

Acrimonious_Nin
06-13-2012, 10:23 PM
Well, Charles Lee actually wanted George Washington to resign as general. He tried his best to convince congress that G.W was not the best man for the job. G.W eventually find Lee's letter that (i believe was intercepted by his slave or courier, or ''courier'' ;p). This all happens around 1775-1777. this pic may just answer this mystery ??? maybe its a hint(notice the tomahawk, it looks sharp ;p)
http://sticktwiddlers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Wwfnk.jpg

I think that Charles E. Lee is a potential target, unless connor is about to give him a big hug after this incident down here. We have a blue coat target lmao XD that should stop ''them''

http://xbigygames.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1dijze.jpg

BBALive
06-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Come on now, it's pretty obvious Charles Lee is going to be Connor's dad. I'd put money on it.


http://sticktwiddlers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Wwfnk.jpg

Charles Lee was edited into the top image. Sorry to disappoint.

Acrimonious_Nin
06-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Come on now, it's pretty obvious Charles Lee is going to be Connor's dad. I'd put money on it.



Charles Lee was edited into the top image. Sorry to disappoint.

Ok...but that is only one pic, if you are right. What about the one that hes is clearly being aggressive towards Connor. Father son hostilities ? Charles E. Lee is a dead man. For what he tried to do to G.W during those times, and G.W was not so happy when he heard this(assuming that Ubisoft is going to address this issue since it is one of the few times you hear about Charles E. Lee and being that Charles E. Lee is clearly a main character they might actually use this bit of information, and guess what Connor and G.W seem like friends. I would not be surprised if G.W requests his assassination from Connor since at that point in time Lee was trying to get rid of G.W, so it makes sense that as a leader he might get rid of him before he gets a chance :D

Assassin_M
06-13-2012, 10:43 PM
No, he is not his dad..

Saar Ben Kiki
06-13-2012, 10:49 PM
charles lee is the main antagonist
he diest in 1783
game ends in 1783
he dies in philadelphia
dev said youll visit philly once, not free roam like in previous titles (ac2-rome ac1-arsuf acb-spain)
his burial place is philly
hes got a pic holding a young connor to a tree
sadly, ubisoft was obvious this time...
in acr ahmet was awesome because we neer knew hed turn out as an antagonist

Assassin_M
06-13-2012, 10:51 PM
charles lee is the main antagonist
he diest in 1783
game ends in 1783
he dies in philadelphia
dev said youll visit philly once, not free roam like in previous titles (ac2-rome ac1-arsuf acb-spain)
his burial place is philly
hes got a pic holding a young connor to a tree
sadly, ubisoft was obvious this time...
in acr ahmet was awesome because we neer knew hed turn out as an antagonist
He dies in 1782 -_-

Acrimonious_Nin
06-13-2012, 10:53 PM
charles lee is the main antagonist
he diest in 1783
game ends in 1783
he dies in philadelphia
dev said youll visit philly once, not free roam like in previous titles (ac2-rome ac1-arsuf acb-spain)
his burial place is philly
hes got a pic holding a young connor to a tree
sadly, ubisoft was obvious this time...
in acr ahmet was awesome because we neer knew hed turn out as an antagonist

This is AWESOME! I see the obvious case here :p. Thank you. like I said he is a dead man.

"Lee tried to get Congress to overturn the court-martial's verdict, and when this failed, he resorted to open attacks on Washington's character. Lee's popularity plummeted then. Colonel John Laurens, an aide to Washington, challenged him to a duel, one in which Lee was wounded in his side. He was then challenged to many more duels. He was released from his duty on January 10, 1780. He retired to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where he died."

An aide to Washington ? maybe Connor ?

Yeah I think this is how Connor ends his life.

Assassin_M
06-13-2012, 10:54 PM
This is AWESOME! I see the obvious case here :p. Thank you. like I said he is a dead man.
He dies in 1782 for god`s sake XD
and his sons were twins... TWINS I TELL YOU !!
He is not the main antagonist and Connor is not his son..

Acrimonious_Nin
06-13-2012, 10:57 PM
He dies in 1782 for god`s sake XD

He is still gonna die. I do not think people see this !!! lol

MasterSimaYi
06-14-2012, 02:17 PM
For the last time... that picture has a RENDER of Charles Lee put OVER the original image... Specificially this render - http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/File:ACIII-Charles_Lee_V.png - put over the picture you can see on here - http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/ubisoft-assassins-creed-4-could-take-place-before-assassins-creed-3/.

And I don't believe that Charles is Connor's dad, mainly for the reason that Desmond's entire lineage is made up of fictional characters, and Charles Lee is obviously not fictional.

Turul.
06-14-2012, 05:55 PM
I don't understand how someone like Joseph Warren could be a target. he is the one who sent paul revere on his famous ride.........

god this game is just going to blow my mind

Assassin_M
06-14-2012, 05:59 PM
I don't understand how someone like Joseph Warren could be a target. he is the one who sent paul revere on his famous ride.........

god this game is just going to blow my mind
Not everything will be "goody goody" regarding what the Colonists did..

Turul.
06-14-2012, 06:02 PM
It is VERY possible Charles Lee is Connors father, considering Charles Lee married a mohawk woman who gave birth to TWINS.

Connor could have a twin!!!!!!!!

Assassin_M
06-14-2012, 06:04 PM
It is VERY possible Charles Lee is Connors father, considering Charles Lee married a mohawk woman who gave birth to TWINS.

Connor could have a twin!!!!!!!!
No..
There are many historical facts that contradict this theory..

dxsxhxcx
06-14-2012, 06:11 PM
charles lee is the main antagonist
he diest in 1783
game ends in 1783
he dies in philadelphia
dev said youll visit philly once, not free roam like in previous titles (ac2-rome ac1-arsuf acb-spain)
his burial place is philly
hes got a pic holding a young connor to a tree
sadly, ubisoft was obvious this time...
in acr ahmet was awesome because we neer knew hed turn out as an antagonist


what if Charles Lee was there with Connor and not against him and ended up being killed by the mysterious antagonist.. :p

also, in AC2 the main antagonist didn't die at the end... die at the end of the game doesn't make a character guilty ;)

Acrimonious_Nin
06-14-2012, 06:15 PM
It's not about Connor having a twin or a dad, its about the fact that the only bluecoat that most likely will suffer as bad as the redcoats is Charles E. Lee. God some people seem iliterate sometimes :D. Why do you think that the ending of AC:R in that light room with two hexagons with a female symbol is there that has the number 21 in them??? because I am stumped lmao XD Dec. 21 baby did anyone else notice the 21 in the 2 hexagons at the end of AC:R ??? huh boom <_< I told you something cool for today...

Assassin_M
06-14-2012, 06:17 PM
It's not about Connor having a twin or a dad, its about the fact that the only bluecoat that most likely will suffer as bad as the redcoats is Charles E. Lee. God some people seem iliterate sometimes :D. Why do you think that the ending of AC:R in that light room with two hexagons with a female symbol is there that has the number 21 in them??? because I am stumped lmao XD Dec. 21 baby did anyone else notice the 21 in the 2 hexagons at the end of AC:R ??? huh boom <_< I told you something cool for today...
You need to stop taking whatever it is you`re taking because its making you hyper xD

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 09:48 AM
Found a few more potential targets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Donop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Morin_Scott
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Haslet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Johnston_(New_Jersey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Simon_Fraser_of_Lovat
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Simon_Fraser_of_Lovat)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Prescott

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 12:31 PM
By the way, does anybody have any idea of what battle the CGI trailer represents? If so, we might be able to confirm a target.

andre982d
06-24-2012, 03:06 PM
By the way, does anybody have any idea of what battle the CGI trailer represents? If so, we might be able to confirm a target.

The Battle of Bunker Hill, June 17, 1775.

Target - british major John Pitcairn.

RatonhnhakeFan
06-24-2012, 03:24 PM
No..
There are many historical facts that contradict this theory..

Such as?

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 03:40 PM
The Battle of Bunker Hill, June 17, 1775.

Target - british major John Pitcairn.

It can't be. Washington was present in this trailer but wasn't present at the Battle of Bunker Hill.

BBALive
06-24-2012, 04:12 PM
It can't be. Washington was present in this trailer but wasn't present at the Battle of Bunker Hill.

It's either historically-inaccurate or a fictitious/unimportant British commander. I can't seem to recall or find a battle where an important or documented British commander died while Washington was present.

The CGI trailer was outsourced, so you can't expect the studio (Digic) to do the amount of historical research that Ubisoft are doing. It's only a trailer after-all.

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 04:42 PM
@BBALive Thanks.

P.S. I don't suppose you know what that yellow flag is next to some of the British flags at the start of the trailer? An ally of some kind?

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 04:48 PM
Another potential target:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Alexander,_Lord_Stirling

andre982d
06-24-2012, 05:19 PM
Potential target:

Simon Fraser was a British general during the American War of Independence who was killed in action in the Battle of Saratoga 7 October 1777.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_of_Balnain

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 05:32 PM
Potential target:

Simon Fraser was a British general during the American War of Independence who was killed in action in the Battle of Saratoga 7 October 1777.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_of_Balnain

Cool, hadn't heard of him. Although: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Murphy_(sniper)

andre982d
06-24-2012, 06:40 PM
Another target:

Walter Butler (1752 – October 30, 1781) was a British Loyalist officer during the American Revolution.

In 1778, he and Joseph Brant, a Mohawk chief, led a company of Tories and Indians in the raid that culminated in the Cherry Valley Massacre. He has been blamed for the deaths of the many women and children that were killed on that occasion. He fought in the Battle of Johnstown and was killed on October 30, 1781 while retreating back to Canada in a skirmish in the Mohawk Valley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Butler_(Loyalist) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Butler_%28Loyalist%29)

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 07:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichabod_Alden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tusten

andre982d
06-24-2012, 08:12 PM
Possible target ? :

The Man Who Didn't Shoot Washington.
British sniper, Maj. Patrick Ferguson.

On September 11, 1777 a soldier in the British Army, named Capt. Patrick Ferguson had a chance to turn the tide of history. He had a chance to shoot Gen. George Washington. Chivalry saved Washington, as he turned before Ferguson could take the shot. Ferguson didn't want to shoot him in the back. A few minutes later, Ferguson was shot in the right arm, and spent the next 8 months in a hospital. He lost the use of his right arm, and his squad was disbanded.

Capt. Patrick Ferguson is famous because he invented/adapted one of the first practical. breech loading rifles. His rifle allowed a soldier to reload from a hidden postion, and it also allowed for more shots per minute. While he was in the hospital, the British Army decided not to adopt his rifle. Ferguson also faught the Americans with their own tactics.

What would have happend if Capt. Ferguson had taken the shot, and killed General Washinton?

What would have happened if Capt. Ferguson hadn't been wounded at the Battle of Brandywine?

Major Patrick Ferguson (1744 – 7 October 1780) was a Scottish officer in the British Army, early advocate of light infantry and designer of the Ferguson rifle.
Patrick Ferguson was killed in the Battle of Kings Mountain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ferguson

shanethebouncer
06-24-2012, 08:17 PM
Has anyone read that wiki entry on Joseph Warren? Hardly a enemy of an assassin.

OriginalMiles
06-24-2012, 08:21 PM
We kill every character in the game. Even Connor.

playassassins1
06-24-2012, 08:36 PM
We kill every character in the game. Even Connor.

Yeah, connor dies from a miscalculated leap of faith.

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 08:37 PM
Possible target ? :

The Man Who Didn't Shoot Washington.
British sniper, Maj. Patrick Ferguson.

On September 11, 1777 a soldier in the British Army, named Capt. Patrick Ferguson had a chance to turn the tide of history. He had a chance to shoot Gen. George Washington. Chivalry saved Washington, as he turned before Ferguson could take the shot. Ferguson didn't want to shoot him in the back. A few minutes later, Ferguson was shot in the right arm, and spent the next 8 months in a hospital. He lost the use of his right arm, and his squad was disbanded.

Capt. Patrick Ferguson is famous because he invented/adapted one of the first practical. breech loading rifles. His rifle allowed a soldier to reload from a hidden postion, and it also allowed for more shots per minute. While he was in the hospital, the British Army decided not to adopt his rifle. Ferguson also faught the Americans with their own tactics.

What would have happend if Capt. Ferguson had taken the shot, and killed General Washinton?

What would have happened if Capt. Ferguson hadn't been wounded at the Battle of Brandywine?

Major Patrick Ferguson (1744 – 7 October 1780) was a Scottish officer in the British Army, early advocate of light infantry and designer of the Ferguson rifle.
Patrick Ferguson was killed in the Battle of Kings Mountain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ferguson

Reading his bio, I really like that guy.

andre982d
06-24-2012, 08:43 PM
Richard Montgomery (December 2, 1738 – December 31, 1775) was an Irish-born soldier who first served in the British Army. He later became a Major General in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War and he is most famous for leading the failed 1775 invasion of Canada.

He captured Fort St. Johns and then Montreal in November 1775, and then advanced to Quebec City where he joined another force under the command of Benedict Arnold. On December 31, he led an attack on the city, but was killed during the battle.

Montgomery was killed with grapeshot through the head and both thighs. Also killed in the burst of gunfire were Captains John Macpherson and Jacob Cheesman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montgomery

eagleforlife1
06-24-2012, 10:17 PM
Richard Montgomery (December 2, 1738 – December 31, 1775) was an Irish-born soldier who first served in the British Army. He later became a Major General in the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War and he is most famous for leading the failed 1775 invasion of Canada.

He captured Fort St. Johns and then Montreal in November 1775, and then advanced to Quebec City where he joined another force under the command of Benedict Arnold. On December 31, he led an attack on the city, but was killed during the battle.

Montgomery was killed with grapeshot through the head and both thighs. Also killed in the burst of gunfire were Captains John Macpherson and Jacob Cheesman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montgomery

He died in Canada though.

FL4PPYflap
06-25-2012, 12:07 AM
He dies in 1782 -_-

Well, in AC 1 Robert de Sable died in 1191 whilst in real life he died in 1193. Ubisoft said there would be a major plot twist so we'll see what happens.

eagleforlife1
06-26-2012, 11:00 AM
Some more, during the French and Indian War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Lignery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Ligneryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Coulon_de_Jumonville)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Coulon_de_Jumonville

eagleforlife1
06-26-2012, 11:06 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrick_Theyanoguin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_Williams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Howe,_3rd_Viscount_Howe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prideaux_(general)

eagleforlife1
06-26-2012, 06:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Scammell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wickes_(naval_officer)

beatledude210
06-26-2012, 06:17 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichabod_Alden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tusten

Tusten was tending to several of his wounded men when he was killed with a tomahawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_%28axe%29) on August 18, 1779.

eagleforlife1
06-26-2012, 09:17 PM
Tusten was tending to several of his wounded men when he was killed with a tomahawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(axe)) on August 18, 1779.

Yup, pretty cool.

BATISTABUS
06-27-2012, 10:46 AM
Tunsten better be one!

And I really like the "Turtle" idea.

POP1Fan
06-27-2012, 12:08 PM
Well, in AC 1 Robert de Sable died in 1191 whilst in real life he died in 1193. Ubisoft said there would be a major plot twist so we'll see what happens.

We should always remeber that Templars write history the way they want it to be written.And even if he dies in 1782 that doesn't mean he isn't a target or even the main antagonist, only that I don't think that a series like Assassin's Creed would put something so obvious out there even before the release of the game.

Helforsite
06-27-2012, 02:09 PM
Not to mention that all AC parts were made on the PC so it shouldnt be a real problem to release them on time-.-

AnthonyA85
06-27-2012, 03:29 PM
How many people of historical note died at sea during the war? We know from the Naval demo at E3 that at least one of Connor's main targets is on a ship when he dies, there are also the two naval DLC missions, "A Dangerous Secret" and "Ghost of War", but since they're not main story missions, i guess they don't count.

As for the main target in the story, i'm betting on it being Charles Lee.

Afterall, we never suspected that Al Mualim would be the final target, and look how AC1 ended.

IF Charles is Connor's father (I'm not part of the "Charles is his dad!" crowd, i don't really care either way), and IF he his one of the last targets (or the final target), it would certainly be an emotional upheaval for Connor, and would be a perfect time for Ubi to spring that 'twist' on us.

eagleforlife1
06-27-2012, 04:30 PM
How many people of historical note died at sea during the war? We know from the Naval demo at E3 that at least one of Connor's main targets is on a ship when he dies, there are also the two naval DLC missions, "A Dangerous Secret" and "Ghost of War", but since they're not main story missions, i guess they don't count.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_(naval_officer)

Plus an extra potential target I have found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Davis_(soldier)

andre982d
06-27-2012, 06:07 PM
more targets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_military_personnel_killed_in_the_ American_Revolutionary_War

eagleforlife1
06-27-2012, 06:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Breymann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Griffith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Monckton_(British_Army_officer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Peirson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tye

eagleforlife1
06-27-2012, 07:27 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benajah_Carpenter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Chew_(captain)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Eaton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gardner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Herkimer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mugford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Nimham

andre982d
06-27-2012, 09:02 PM
more british targets:

http://glosters.tripod.com/amrev1.htm

eagleforlife1
06-30-2012, 08:41 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Poor

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 08:21 AM
This guy might be a target at the Battle of Brandywine who survives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Agnew_(British_Army_officer)

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 08:32 AM
Trust me, you will not Assassinate Charles Lee.
He is Connors father.
And where was John Piticarn confirmed?

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Trust me, you will not Assassinate Charles Lee.
He is Connors father.
And where was John Piticarn confirmed?

And why can he not assassinate his father?

Ever heard of Oedipus?

John Pitcairn was confirmed at PAX East.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/John_Pitcairn

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 09:56 AM
I cant see him killing his father, unless he burned his village :nonchalance:

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 09:58 AM
Ok, so it has gone from categorically stating we won't kill Charles Lee to I can't see us killing him.

Anyway, it is pure speculation that Lee is Connor's father.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 10:01 AM
Nope, all the evidence lead up to him. Including stuff said by Ubisoft.

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 10:02 AM
Nope, all the evidence lead up to him. Including stuff said by Ubisoft.

Not all evidence does, some evidence does point towards it but it still doesn't confirm anything.

Quotes the stuff Ubisoft has said please. I read every interview on the net and I haven't seen any such quotes of this nature.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 10:04 AM
On the Connor weapon video, they wrote his birth date, which was the same birth date Lee had his twins from his Mohawk wife, they said there will be one big historical deviation in ACIII, the pics of Lee with Connor, them saying his European last name is on the internet and they are trying to hide it are a few examples.

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 02:21 PM
On the Connor weapon video, they wrote his birth date, which was the same birth date Lee had his twins from his Mohawk wife, they said there will be one big historical deviation in ACIII, the pics of Lee with Connor, them saying his European last name is on the internet and they are trying to hide it are a few examples.

The one big historical deviation is the assassination of Lee. Has it ever been officially confirmed that that pic is Lee with Connor? I am pretty sure that Ubi have never come out and said that. Still no conclusive evidence has come out on this.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Yeah. It is Lee, does not take a rocket scientist too see that.
Also, explain the birth date, and the European name.

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 02:44 PM
The "one big historical deviation" may refer to something completely different. It's a matter of whether they would even consider Ratonhnhake:ton being Lee's kid as a big deviation. I tried to search and couldn't find absolutely anything about Lee's twins so if there's no data recorded, is it really a deviation if they would write his kids to be whatever they feel like?

The more related evidence IMO is what Corey May said how there's a second "secret surprise" reason behind Ratonhnhake:ton's motivations.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 02:47 PM
He wants to find his lost twin? xD

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 02:49 PM
The "one big historical deviation" may refer to something completely different. It's a matter of whether they would even consider Ratonhnhake:ton being Lee's kid as a big deviation. I tried to search and couldn't find absolutely anything about Lee's twins so if there's no data recorded, is it really a deviation if they would write his kids to be whatever they feel like?

The more related evidence IMO is what Corey May said how there's a second "secret surprise" reason behind Ratonhnhake:ton's motivations.

*Ratonhnhaké:ton

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 02:51 PM
He wants to find his lost twin? xDI doubt any 'lost twin' story. Mohawks society was matrilineal, with women keeping children if the couple separated. His twin sibling may have died or something, but I doubt he got lost, taken by Lee or stuff like. If he had a twin, then he definitely knew about it


*Ratonhnhaké:tonI don't have an "e" letter like that on my keyboard, so I don't always use it. I'm still one of the few, if not the only person on the forums who actually uses his real name instead of Eurocentric "Connor" so yeah, you don't need to correct me

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Not everybody feels like adding a line to the E :p
On a serious note: Maybe Lee did something in the village? I dont know..pissed off Connor?

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 02:52 PM
Not everybody feels like adding a line to the E :p
On a serious note: Maybe Lee did something in the village? I dont know..pissed off Connor?

No, but if you don't, it's incorrect, and you can just as well say Connor in that case.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 02:54 PM
But Ratonhnhaké:ton sounds cooler e.e

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 03:08 PM
No, but if you don't, it's incorrect, and you can just as well say Connor in that case.Yeah no. I much more appreciate when foreigners don't use specific letters in names/terms from my country (because they don't have them in their keyboards) but still want to use as real names/terms as possible rather than some completely different made-up replacements.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 03:10 PM
Actually, Lee COULD be his father, but have the deviation be his Assassination? maybe.

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 03:44 PM
Yeah. It is Lee, does not take a rocket scientist too see that.
Also, explain the birth date, and the European name.

Proof/evidence that it is Lee? Birth date could be Lee but at the same time it might not be. European name - with a British father he is going to have a European name. It is all still speculation regardless of what you say. Until Ubi comes out and says something or the game ships it will remain speculation.

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 03:46 PM
Actually, Lee COULD be his father, but have the deviation be his Assassination? maybe.

I already said that.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 03:47 PM
They said that the name is on the internet and they are trying to hide it, and oh what a coincidence....the EXACT same birth day as the twins, with a half Mohawk half British parents

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 04:05 PM
I don't have an "e" letter like that on my keyboard, so I don't always use it. I'm still one of the few, if not the only person on the forums who actually uses his real name instead of Eurocentric "Connor" so yeah, you don't need to correct me

You can use Alt+130 or copy it off somewhere else, if you so insist that it is better to use his 'real name' than the name he took later on. As long as you don't use that, there is certainly a need for correction.


rather than some completely different made-up replacements.

Both are fictional names given to a fictional character... If Ubisoft knew that Ratonhnhaké:ton would be easy enough to spell and pronounce, I don't know if they would have given him the name Connor as well.

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 04:06 PM
Sorry, birthday now? It was the same year a minute ago and now it is the day as well. Just because the name is on the internet doesn't mean it is Lee. That could mean that Israel Putnam is his father for all we know.

I'm not saying that Lee isn't his father, I'm just saying let's not make presumptions because they can come back to bite us.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 04:10 PM
You can use Alt+130 or copy it off somewhere else, if you so insist that it is better to use his 'real name' than the name he took later on. As long as you don't use that, there is certainly a need for correction.



Both are fictional names given to a fictional character... If Ubisoft knew that Ratonhnhaké:ton would be easy enough to spell and pronounce, I don't know if they would have given him the name Connor as well.

Raton is easy to spell and pronounce, the audience is just to darn lazy that they had too come up with Connor.

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Raton is easy to spell and pronounce, the audience is just to darn lazy that they had too come up with Connor.

In that case, let's also no longer abbreviate the names of the games anymore to things like "AC1" and "AC2" and instead only say "Assassin's Creed" and "Assassin's Creed II." :)

Also, if you really want to complain about the audience, you should complain about those that say "Conner" or "Conar" etc... Argh!

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 04:16 PM
I dont know hwy, but it just sort of pisses me off..
If somebody really cant spell both, I feel sad for him/her/it

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 04:47 PM
You can use Alt+130 or copy it off somewhere else, if you so insist that it is better to use his 'real name' than the name he took later on. As long as you don't use that, there is certainly a need for correction.Then I assume you correct everyone who writes Altair instead of Altaďr? Ohh wait nope, didn't see you doing that. And since you don't even bother to use the real name and you just write "Connor", you ain't exactly in a position to school other people about name/heritage sensitivity.



Both are fictional names given to a fictional character... If Ubisoft knew that Ratonhnhaké:ton would be easy enough to spell and pronounce, I don't know if they would have given him the name Connor as well.With the first one being his birth name he identifies with and the second one being the name he adapted just to move easier among the lazy colonists. Which is sadly exactly the same thing that happens in 2012 when 99% of fans don't bother to use the real name (even if without "é" due to keyboard issues) and instead immediately go with western-centric Connor. Like you.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 04:51 PM
LOL. Lazy Colonists xD
Good one Raton.
We cannot deny the reason why Connor has been adopted is just so the audience can pronounce it and spell it easy, since they cant be bothered to use the real name.

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 05:10 PM
Then I assume you correct everyone who writes Altair instead of Altaďr? Ohh wait nope, didn't see you doing that. And since you don't even bother to use the real name and you just write "Connor", you ain't exactly in a position to school other people about name/heritage sensitivity.

Yes. However, you insist on writing his birth name but you keep doing it wrong, so I don't even know why you keep doing it. And I didn't know that I have to constantly use Ratonhnhaké:ton as a means to refer to Connor, for me to be able to tell you that you are spelling it wrong. I thought the prerequisite for that is only the ability to spell it right.


With the first one being his birth name he identifies with and the second one being the name he adapted just to move easier among the lazy colonists. Which is sadly exactly the same thing that happens in 2012 when 99% of fans don't bother to use the real name (even if without "é" due to keyboard issues) and instead immediately go with western-centric Connor. Like you.

Both Ratonhnhaké:ton and Connor Kenway are names Ubisoft has given the character and both are names he identifies with. As you can see, I can easily type Ratonhnhaké:ton, but seeing as Connor is the name people will most commonly know him as, I go for that option. Also simply because I prefer it over Ratonhnhaké:ton. My reason for saying Connor is not "laziness," with which I assume you mean comfort.

My point is, if you insist on typing his real name, do it right. If you don't bother using the alt code for the é or copy it from somewhere else, then that is also "laziness."

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:11 PM
How do you actually do the alt E and the Altair ''I''

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 05:12 PM
How do you actually do the alt E and the Altair ''I''

Alt+130 = é, Alt+0239 = ď.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:20 PM
But still, honestly, in my opinion, calling him with his Native American name with one mis-spelled letter is better than using Connor.

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 05:21 PM
But still, honestly, in my opinion, calling him with his Native American name with one mis-spelled letter is better than using Connor.

I am inclined to disagree. Misspelling either of those two names is just bad.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:23 PM
Connor is a worst offense tho, such a simple name mis-spelled....

freddie_1897
07-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Alt+130 = é, Alt+0239 = ď.
i just hold down the letter on my keyboard and it gives me all the options.

i prefer rahtnakewhatever;ton but as you can see, its much easier to say Cönnor, but i give him the accent because it looks more native

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 05:28 PM
I am inclined to disagree. Misspelling either of those two names is just bad.

To be honest who really gives a flying **** how somebody spells it? It really doesn't matter.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:28 PM
Back on topic: Is it actually possible to reveal all the Assassination targets through Google?
Maybe all the traitors are the Revolution Templars?
EDIT: It sort of does matter, it shows that companies simplify things at times because a portion of the audience is just too god dang lazy. Or that is what I believe, at the very least.

TheFrontLine
07-15-2012, 05:29 PM
Back on topic: Is it actually possible to reveal all the Assassination targets through Google?
Maybe all the traitors are the Revolution Templars?

That would imply that all those who sided with the Redcoats are Templars, so I highly doubt it.

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 05:29 PM
Back on topic: Is it actually possible to reveal all the Assassination targets through Google?
Maybe all the traitors are the Revolution Templars?

...lolwut

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:31 PM
Maybe not the Redcoats, but Colonists.

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 05:33 PM
Yes. However, you insist on writing his birth name but you keep doing it wrong, so I don't even know why you keep doing it. And I didn't know that I have to constantly use Ratonhnhaké:ton as a means to refer to Connor, for me to be able to tell you that you are spelling it wrong. I thought the prerequisite for that is only the ability to spell it right.No, I don't keep doing it wrong. I wrote it without "é" only a few times. Of course as soon as it happens you immediately jump in to correct me as if I didn't know there's an "é" there.

And no, there's no "pre-requisite". But let's not pretend this was just about grammar.



Both Ratonhnhaké:ton and Connor Kenway are names Ubisoft has given the character and both are names he identifies with.Really? According to everything we know, Connor name is adopted name just so he can move among the colonists easier. He wasn't raised in the colonies, he only adopts this Connor name when he's an adult for pragmatic reasons and it's very likely that his English father wasn't even present for most of his life. You seriously think a person like that would identify equally with both names lol?



As you can see, I can easily type Ratonhnhaké:ton, but seeing as Connor is the name people will most commonly know him as, I go for that option. Also simply because I prefer it over Ratonhnhaké:ton. My reason for saying Connor is not "laziness," with which I assume you mean comfort.And if I spent 20 million $ and appear on various websites starting tomorrow to start promoting your name as "Stacy", will you be fine too with people calling you like that "because that's the name people will most commonly know you as"?



My point is, if you insist on typing his real name, do it right. If you don't bother using the alt code for the é or copy it from somewhere else, then that is also "laziness."Much less laziness than you going with Connor. Also, Alt+130 doesn't work on my keyboard.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:40 PM
Alt 130 does not work here either :nonchalance:

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 05:43 PM
No, I don't keep doing it wrong. I wrote it without "é" only a few times. Of course as soon as it happens you immediately jump in to correct me as if I didn't know there's an "é" there.

I have seen you do it several times now, which was the reason I corrected you.


Really? According to everything we know, Connor name is adopted name just so he can move among the colonists easier. He wasn't raised in the colonies, he only adopts this Connor name when he's an adult for pragmatic reasons and it's very likely that his English father wasn't even present for most of his life. You seriously think a person like that would identify equally with both names lol?

I have read no such thing about his dissatisfaction with the name "Connor" nor that it is the name the colonists gave him rather than him doing it himself, only that "it's the name he identifies himself with to blend in with the colonists."


And if I spent 20 million $ and appear on various websites starting tomorrow to start promoting your name as "Stacy", will you be fine too with people calling you like that "because that's the name people will most commonly know you as"?

I refer to my point above. And thus is also just a pointless and absurd remark.


Much less laziness than you going with Connor. Also, Alt+130 doesn't work on my keyboard.

As I said, I could easily type Ratonhnhaké:ton if I wanted to all the time, but I personally prefer not to. But you go ahead and be the better person for typing Ratonhnhaké:ton all the time, while I (and notably all the devs) will continue to be "lazy" and keep on saying Connor, and let's get the thread back to its topic.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 05:45 PM
It just seems too me that the Templars in the Colonies will be the traitors, meaning maybe we can guess them all from now?

Turul.
07-15-2012, 05:46 PM
I don't think everyone would be traitors becuase I dont think that would be fun.

TheFrontLine
07-15-2012, 05:46 PM
It just seems too me that the Templars in the Colonies will be the traitors, meaning maybe we can guess them all from now?

Like I said, that would imply the Redcoats are all Templars as the loyalist traitors would obviously be going to the Redcoats.

RatonhnhakeFan
07-15-2012, 05:53 PM
I have seen you do it several times now, which was the reason I corrected you.Thank you Stacy, but I've been using 'é' most of the time. Play grammar police with the notorious Altair offenders.



I have read no such thing about his dissatisfaction with the name "Connor" nor that it is the name the colonists gave him rather than him doing it himself, only that "it's the name he identifies himself with to blend in with the colonists."I didn't said anything about dissatisfaction or that Colonists gave him that name. Don't make stuff up. I said that it was stated several times that it's a name he adopts to move easier among the Colonists. But the fact that he would obviously identify more with his birth name he was given from a culture he was raised in as compared to an adopted name for the sake of pragmatism is a different thing.



But you go ahead and be the better person for typing Ratonhnhaké:ton all the time, while I (and notably all the devs) will continue to be "lazy" and keep on saying Connor, and let's get the thread back to its topic.Yep, you will.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:01 PM
Chill out Sima, and chill our Raton, while I have my own personal input, I think we should stay on topic?

Turul.
07-15-2012, 06:03 PM
you guys are off topic be on topic!

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 06:08 PM
Chill out Sima, and chill our Raton, while I have my own personal input, I think we should stay on topic?

I'm perfectly chilled, and I already said we should stop being off topic in my last post.

Turul.
07-15-2012, 06:10 PM
ya dont be off topic hasoooon!

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:10 PM
ya dont be off topic hasoooon!

Umm..ok.
I am assuming there wont be any early deaths in game, tho?

Acrimonious_Nin
07-15-2012, 06:16 PM
LMAO what is wrong with writing Ratonhnhaké:ton it is

1.) Fun as hell
2.) it means "his spirit lives on" or something similar
3.) I hate wolves
4.) Fun as hell...

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:17 PM
It means Scratcher of Life.
Most people are just to lazy.

freddie_1897
07-15-2012, 06:19 PM
It means Scratcher of Life.
Most people are just to lazy.
im not too lazy to use Ratonhnhaké:ton

i just use Connor so that i have more time to do awesome stuff with my life

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:20 PM
Key word being ''most''
And Raton is cooler, why not just copy+paste the name and keep using it?

TheFrontLine
07-15-2012, 06:21 PM
Key word being ''most''
And Raton is cooler, why not just copy+paste the name and keep using it?

Doesn't that make you lazy?

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:22 PM
I started using Ratonhnhake:ton from now on, or Raton :nonchalance:

freddie_1897
07-15-2012, 06:24 PM
I started using Ratonhnhake:ton from now on, or Raton :nonchalance:
hypocrite

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:25 PM
Not really, Raton to refer too the user, Ratonhnhake:ton too the character.

freddie_1897
07-15-2012, 06:27 PM
Not really, Raton to refer too the user, Ratonhnhake:ton too the character.
in a previous post you said you'd copy and paste it. thats being lazy. and as i said, i don't use connor because I'm lazy, i use it because I've got so much stuff to do that i don't have the time to say ratahnhaké:ton

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:28 PM
No, I said if it bothers you so much, you can use copy+paste. I just write in manually in.

Acrimonious_Nin
07-15-2012, 06:42 PM
It is not that hard for the 'é' just hold ALT and press 130 and boom the name Ratonhnhaké:ton is preset into your system


BTW his name means "Ratonhnhaké:ton" (pronounced Ra-doon-ha-kay-doon) means "his spirit lives" or "life scratcher" in Mohawk.[9]

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:43 PM
Great AC Wiki useage, like we did not know that :D
ALT 130 does not work for me.

MT4K
07-15-2012, 06:46 PM
I just use the right Alt/Gr + e combo éééééé Maybe that will work for some other people.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:50 PM
Nope, not working for me. Honestly, I just use Ratonhnhake:ton, not my problem if the keyword is not working :nonchalance:

MasterSimaYi
07-15-2012, 06:51 PM
Nope, not working for me. Honestly, I just use Ratonhnhake:ton, not my problem if the keyword is not working :nonchalance:

Alt+130 should work fine. You must use the numbers on the right side of the keyboard, not the ones above the letters.

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 06:55 PM
Still not working, meh....
Atleast better than Connor.

EscoBlades
07-15-2012, 07:18 PM
What a monumental load of tripe.

His name is Connor Kenway. It is also Ratonhnhaké:ton. I will call him whichever takes my fancy at the time. Neither is "better"

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 07:20 PM
But one of them sounds better :p
Been searching around Google, any idea on Redcoat targets?

Acrimonious_Nin
07-15-2012, 07:48 PM
But one of them sounds better :p
Been searching around Google, any idea on Redcoat targets?

yes, silas ...by Ratonhnhaké:ton...

HaSoOoN-MHD
07-15-2012, 07:50 PM
yes, silas ...by Ratonhnhaké:ton...

...Somebody other than Silas.

Aphex_Tim
07-15-2012, 08:03 PM
I just say Connor. I'm lazy.
Will everyone get mad at me now as well?

Acrimonious_Nin
07-15-2012, 08:07 PM
...Somebody other than Silas.

Fraser...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Fraser1776officer.png

@ Aphex_Tim : No... we the community are mature :D <3

eagleforlife1
07-15-2012, 08:09 PM
What a monumental load of tripe.

His name is Connor Kenway. It is also Ratonhnhaké:ton. I will call him whichever takes my fancy at the time. Neither is "better"

Well said.

LoyalACFan
08-09-2012, 08:38 AM
I made a new thread for this, unaware that this one existed, and it got locked :(

Anyway, whaddya say, Assassins? Up for some more speculation? :p Considering this thread is a month old and went massively off-topic, I would have just used my new one, but hey! I'm not in charge. My picks are John Pitcairn, Joseph Warren, David Wooster, Johann Rall, and White Eyes. I'm not going to go into my spiel about them again, but my reasoning can be found here (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/705066-Let-s-speculate-on-potential-targets-in-AC3).

MT4K
08-09-2012, 09:09 AM
Considering this thread is a month old and went massively off-topic

I'll be here to try and keep this one on-topic from now on ;).

Slayer_WTF
08-09-2012, 09:58 AM
The Indian name of Connor is easy to pronounce, but difficult to write. :D

eagleforlife1
08-09-2012, 10:29 AM
I'll be here to try and keep this one on-topic from now on ;).

Exactly, this one is far more comprehensive and has covered all of the targets that LoyalACFan has tried to cover anyway.

andre982d
08-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Benedict Arnold

AC3_S_SP_SONY_BenedictArnold_55_Gamescom.jpg

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/newUploads_2012_0814_4017c8fb8972744b883f89511f1df f9d_120815_10am_AC3_S_SP_SONY_BenedictArnold_55_Ga mescom-1024x576.jpg

LoyalACFan
08-15-2012, 10:24 PM
Benedict Arnold

AC3_S_SP_SONY_BenedictArnold_55_Gamescom.jpg

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/newUploads_2012_0814_4017c8fb8972744b883f89511f1df f9d_120815_10am_AC3_S_SP_SONY_BenedictArnold_55_Ga mescom-1024x576.jpg
That guy can't be Benedict Arnold. He didn't die until years after the game ends.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-15-2012, 10:26 PM
*runs to Wikipedia*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

LoyalACFan
08-15-2012, 10:31 PM
*runs to Wikipedia*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

Maybe it is Benedict Arnold, and Connor tries to kill him during his time in the Colonial Army, but fails. Maybe that's the reason he defected- he saw an angry tomahawk-wielding Assassin lunging at his neck, and said "to hell with this ****, I'm going to England!" :p

AnthonyA85
08-15-2012, 10:50 PM
They have killed off targets in-game before they historically died before, ya know. Robert De Sable: Died 1193 in real life, but in the game, he decided to get himself killed in Asuf, in 1191.

I also think we killed Sibrand and the leg-breaking doctor before they historically died too, i'm not sure.

So, if that really is Arnold, there is a good chance we might actually get to kill him (it might have been him connor killed at the end of the AnvilNext trailer)

eagleforlife1
08-15-2012, 10:55 PM
Just because you attempt to kill him doesn't mean you succeed. Remember Rodrigo, Micheletto???

While still working for the US army, Arnold was badly injured in the leg. Maybe in this attempt you just injure him.

AnthonyA85
08-15-2012, 11:00 PM
The only reason they survived was because Ezio let them go.

I don't see Connor letting any of his targets go, unless they're NOT his targets, just like Altair spared Maria, because she wasn't his target, if she had been, she wouldn't have survived that fight in the graveyard.

LoyalACFan
08-16-2012, 12:38 AM
They have killed off targets in-game before they historically died before, ya know. Robert De Sable: Died 1193 in real life, but in the game, he decided to get himself killed in Asuf, in 1191.

I also think we killed Sibrand and the leg-breaking doctor before they historically died too, i'm not sure.

So, if that really is Arnold, there is a good chance we might actually get to kill him (it might have been him connor killed at the end of the AnvilNext trailer)
Yes, Assassin's Creed is full of small timeline discrepancies, but Arnold died almost twenty years after the end of the game. They couldn't fudge the dates that much. And yeah, I know there's supposed to be one big deviation from history in this game, but making Benedict Arnold an anachronistic target simply because he's famous would just be stupid.

RatonhnhakeFan
08-16-2012, 12:39 AM
I wonder what's that big deviation actually gonna be.

tarrero
08-16-2012, 12:42 AM
I do no want Benedict Arnold to be the main villian, because the whole "you see ubisoft is pro american ra ra ra" discussion will fire again, And I grew weary of that haha.

LoyalACFan
08-16-2012, 12:44 AM
I wonder what's that big deviation actually gonna be.

Probably the fact that Connor will be present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence :p

RatonhnhakeFan
08-16-2012, 12:45 AM
Probably the fact that Connor will be present at the signing of the Declaration of Independence :p

Ohh lawd that would be so cheesy...

LoyalACFan
08-16-2012, 12:54 AM
Ohh lawd that would be so cheesy...

John Hancock was actually Connor Kenway in disguise ;)

tarrero
08-16-2012, 12:57 AM
John Hancock was actually Connor Kenway in disguise ;)

And then Timmy Turner appears with the help of his fairy oddparents, the truly "those who came before" people haha

By the way, look what I found on wikipedia regarding Paul Revere:

"One if by land, and two if by sea is from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wadsworth_Longfellow)'s poem, "Paul Revere's Ride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere's_Ride_(poem))". One lantern was to notify Charlestown that the British Army would march over Boston Neck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Neck) and the Great Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bridge_(Cambridge)), and two were to notify them that the troops were taking boats across the Charles River to land near Phips farm. After receiving the signal, the Charlestown Patriots sent out a rider to Lexington, but this rider did not reach his destination and his identity has disappeared from history. He was the one who might have been captured by a British patrol"


Could it be a target, or Connor himself?

Slayer_WTF
08-28-2012, 05:51 PM
William Howe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howe,_5th_Viscount_Howe

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War


Commanders
George Washington
Nathaniel Greene
Charles Lee


Lord North
Sir William Howe
Lord Cornwallis
Thomas Gage

Howe is the target of Connor during the Battle of Bunker Hill.

tarrero
08-28-2012, 05:51 PM
To slayer wtf if he is reading......

Again dude, have you played the game yet????? Being either an american or british commander (just like William Howe) does not automatically make you a target.....In fact, according to some Pax East attenders, the character Connor went after is called John Pitcairn.....

Connor is just looking for the templars, King Richard and Saladin were both important leaders and commanders during the crusades, but guess what????? Since none of them were templars, Altair did not kill them.

Slayer_WTF
08-28-2012, 05:55 PM
To slayer wtf if he is reading......

The fact that you are either a american or british commander (just like William Howe) does not automatically make you a target.....In fact, according to some Pax East attenders, the character Connor went after is called John Pitcairn.....

I read a preview and talk about William Howe. Maybe the target was different in the demo?

However, you can also find his name on Assassin's Creed Wiki English, including the deployment English.

Assassin_M
08-28-2012, 05:57 PM
I read a preview and talk about William Howe. Maybe the target was different in the demo?

However, you can also find his name on Assassin's Creed Wiki English, including the deployment English.
Just because his name is in the Wiki doesn't mean he`ll be a target xD

Slayer_WTF
08-28-2012, 06:01 PM
Just because his name is in the Wiki doesn't mean he`ll be a target xD

I know, it was just an observation. :)

I think he's right tarriero anyway. Maybe ask clarification from the person who wrote the preview.

tarrero
08-28-2012, 06:04 PM
In fact, one of the devps said that during production, they had problems regarding how to choose targets. Since almost all the generals died eldely in their houses decades later......The target killed during bunker hill demo is John Pitcairn, whether if that is going to make the game or not is a whole different story.....Dont state YOUR speculation as facts, that misleads people.

BBALive
08-28-2012, 07:18 PM
In fact, one of the devps said that during production, they had problems regarding how to choose targets. Since almost all the generals died eldely in their houses decades later......The target killed during bunker hill demo is John Pitcairn, whether if that is going to make the game or not is a whole different story.....Dont state YOUR speculation as facts, that misleads people.

John Pitcairn will be a target in the final game, he actually died at the Battle of Bunker Hill.

IceHot100
08-28-2012, 09:33 PM
fter completing his schooling, Lee reported for duty with his regiment in Ireland. He purchased a Lieutenant's commission in 1751. He was sent with the regiment to America in 1754 for service in the French and Indian War under Major General Edward Braddock. Lee was apparently not with the regiment when it suffered disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Monongahela in 1755. During this time in America, he married the daughter of a Mohawk Indian chief. His wife (name unknown) gave birth to twins. Lee was known to the Mohawks as Ounewaterika, or "Boiling Water".

Got this from Wikipedia...
Any doubts, that he isn't the father of Connor now? Nope! :P
Who knows maybe there is a twin brother of Connor!

LoyalACFan
08-28-2012, 09:46 PM
fter completing his schooling, Lee reported for duty with his regiment in Ireland. He purchased a Lieutenant's commission in 1751. He was sent with the regiment to America in 1754 for service in the French and Indian War under Major General Edward Braddock. Lee was apparently not with the regiment when it suffered disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Monongahela in 1755. During this time in America, he married the daughter of a Mohawk Indian chief. His wife (name unknown) gave birth to twins. Lee was known to the Mohawks as Ounewaterika, or "Boiling Water".

Got this from Wikipedia...
Any doubts, that he isn't the father of Connor now? Nope! :P
Who knows maybe there is a twin brother of Connor!

This is still not a confirmation... However likely it might be, just proving that he was in America nine months before Connor's supposed 1755 birthdate does not prove that he is his father.

eagleforlife1
09-24-2012, 09:03 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Johnson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_(naval_officer)

tarrero
09-24-2012, 09:05 PM
Johnson is pretty much "confirmed" as a templar.....Or at least that is what it seems based on the gameplay...

andre982d
09-24-2012, 09:34 PM
Probably - assassination of Sir William Johnson.

William Johnson died from a stroke at Johnson Hall on 11 July 1774 during an Indian conference.

http://imageshack.us/a/img803/2312/vorschauassassinscreed3.jpg


Johnson Hall State Historic Site was the home of Sir William Johnson.

The house was built seven miles from the Mohawk River.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Johnson_Hall%2C_Johnstown%2C_NY.jpg/800px-Johnson_Hall%2C_Johnstown%2C_NY.jpg

LightRey
09-25-2012, 06:50 PM
​WARNING! EUROGAMER PREVIEW SPOILERS AHEAD!

In the preview of sequence 6 we saw in the Eurogamer previews, we found that the land of Connor's tribe was being sold because of someone named William Johnson and Connor seems to go after him, which makes it likely it is one of his targets. Now, I did some digging and I found this essay (http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall96/johnson.html) on a William Johnson with the title of "Indian Superintendent: Colonial Development and Expansionism", who died in 1774, and the sequence in question just so happens to start in 1773.

>_>
<_<
That thread never happened...

eagleforlife1
09-25-2012, 07:05 PM
​WARNING! EUROGAMER PREVIEW SPOILERS AHEAD!

In the preview of sequence 6 we saw in the Eurogamer previews, we found that the land of Connor's tribe was being sold because of someone named William Johnson and Connor seems to go after him, which makes it likely it is one of his targets. Now, I did some digging and I found this essay (http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall96/johnson.html) on a William Johnson with the title of "Indian Superintendent: Colonial Development and Expansionism", who died in 1774, and the sequence in question just so happens to start in 1773.

>_>
<_<
That thread never happened...

Yep, this is him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Johnson

LightRey
09-25-2012, 07:09 PM
Yep, this is him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Johnson
Sorry I'm so late to the party btw. xD

eagleforlife1
09-25-2012, 07:31 PM
Sorry I'm so late to the party btw. xD

Ha, no worries.

andre982d
09-25-2012, 08:13 PM
Potential target:

Peter Warren Johnson

Peter Johnson was the son of Sir William Johnson and Molly Brant.



Birthdate:
1759


Birthplace:
Johnstown, New York, United States


Death:
Died 1777 in Philadelphia, PA, United States


Cause of death:
Killed in Action




Parents:
William Johnson (1715 - 1774)
Molly Brant Johnson (1736 - 1796)

In November 1777 Peter Johnson was killed in the Philadelphia campaign while serving in the British 26th Regiment of Foot.

Portrait of Peter Johnson

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8286/7838385698_078975cb8c.jpg

tarrero
09-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Vieri and Francesco de Pazzi Reloaded may be?

eagleforlife1
09-27-2012, 09:31 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Oliver
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Oliver)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadwallader_Colden

eagleforlife1
09-27-2012, 01:40 PM
Just read that John Pitcairn was respected by Bostonians and that he lost his matching pistols during the Battles of Lexington and Concord and Israe Putnam found them and carried them ever since.

andre982d
09-27-2012, 08:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Molineux

William Molineux (c. 1717 – October 22, 1774) was a hardware merchant in colonial Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston) best known for his role in the Boston Tea Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party) of 1773 and earlier political protests.

LoyalACFan
09-27-2012, 08:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Molineux

William Molineux (c. 1717 – October 22, 1774) was a hardware merchant in colonial Boston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston) best known for his role in the Boston Tea Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party) of 1773 and earlier political protests.

Actually, if you watch the recent Boston Tea Party gameplay preview from Monday, Molineaux is one of the AI companions you have to defend. Unless there's some kind of betrayal going on (and I don't think he will, since he seems to be a pretty minor character) I don't think he'll be a target.

there76
09-30-2012, 12:57 AM
James Otis Jr

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Otis,_Jr.

LightRey
09-30-2012, 01:57 AM
I still just like that there's a guy whose name is William Johnson​ in the game... :|

LoyalACFan
09-30-2012, 03:22 AM
I still just like that there's a guy whose name is William Johnson​ in the game... :|

I've never heard the word "Johnson" used in a perverted context, that must be European slang :p

SteelCity999
09-30-2012, 03:24 AM
I've never heard the word "Johnson" used in a perverted context, that must be European slang :p

American's guilty of this as well.

andre982d
09-30-2012, 11:49 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ross_%28delegate%29

andre982d
09-30-2012, 11:59 AM
Brigadier General Enoch Poor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Poor)

He was killed in a duel with a French officer near Hackensack, New Jersey, September 8, 1780.

andre982d
09-30-2012, 08:34 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Caldwell_%28clergyman%29

eagleforlife1
10-07-2012, 09:51 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrick_Theyanoguin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_Williams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Howe,_3rd_Viscount_Howe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Lignery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prideaux_(general)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wolfe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Joseph_de_Montcalm

Assassin_M
10-07-2012, 09:52 PM
Too many targets xD

pacmanate
10-07-2012, 10:25 PM
Too many targets xD

Thats a good thing... BIG GAME :D

MT4K
10-07-2012, 10:31 PM
Who feels like going through the entire thread and collecting all the names to see how many you have all found? :p.

Assassin_M
10-07-2012, 10:33 PM
Who feels like going through the entire thread and collecting all the names to see how many you have all found? :p.
Is that a challenge ?

MT4K
10-07-2012, 10:38 PM
Is that a challenge ?

Sure why not :D.

xXRyzonXx
10-07-2012, 10:39 PM
Sure why not :D.

I'd like to see that too!

pacmanate
10-07-2012, 10:40 PM
I will do it if someone buys me the encyclopeadia 2nd edition..

Assassin_M
10-07-2012, 10:40 PM
Sure why not :D.
Accepted

xXRyzonXx
10-07-2012, 10:42 PM
Accepted

Full Sync: Find all the names in 2 min!

Assassin_M
10-07-2012, 10:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Warren
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Knowlton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Rall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Mercer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Donop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Morin_Scott
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Haslet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_...on_(New_Jersey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Johnston_(New_Jersey))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Simon_Fraser_of_Lovat
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Simon_Fraser_of_Lovat)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Prescott
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William..._Lord_Stirling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Alexander,_Lord_Stirling)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fraser_of_Balnain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Murphy_(sniper)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Butler_(Loyalist) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Butler_%28Loyalist%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichabod_Alden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Tusten
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ferguson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Montgomery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Lignery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Ligneryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Coulon_de_Jumonville)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_..._de_Jumonville (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Coulon_de_Jumonville)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrick_Theyanoguin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_Williams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_..._Viscount_Howe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Howe,_3rd_Viscount_Howe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prideaux_(general)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Scammell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard...(naval_officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wickes_(naval_officer))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichola...(naval_officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_(naval_officer))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Davis_(soldier)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...olutionary_War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_military_personnel_killed_in_the_ American_Revolutionary_War)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Breymann
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Griffith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M...h_Army_officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Monckton_(British_Army_officer))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Peirson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tye
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benajah_Carpenter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Chew_(captain)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Eaton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gardner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Herkimer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mugford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Nimham
http://glosters.tripod.com/amrev1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Poor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A...h_Army_officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Agnew_(British_Army_officer))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_William_Johnson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichola...(naval_officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Biddle_(naval_officer))
Peter Warren Johnson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Oliver
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Oliver)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadwallader_Colden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Molineux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Otis,_Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ross_%28delegate%29
Brigadier General Enoch Poor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Poor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_C...28clergyman%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Caldwell_%28clergyman%29)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrick_Theyanoguin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_Williams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_..._Viscount_Howe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Howe,_3rd_Viscount_Howe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3...and_de_Lignery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Marie_Le_Marchand_de_Lignery)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prideaux_(general)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wolfe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Joseph_de_Montcalm

By the way... Damm you all

MT4K
10-07-2012, 10:56 PM
lol Nice job M :D. Now people can use that as a basis to avoid suggesting an already listed person :D.

Assassin_M
10-07-2012, 10:57 PM
lol Nice job M :D. Now people can use that as a basis to avoid suggesting an already listed person :D.
I`ll re-post it every 5 pages:p

eagleforlife1
10-12-2012, 04:51 AM
Perhaps a couple from Liberation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pere_Dagobert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matías_de_Gálvez_y_Gallardo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_de_Gálvez_y_Madrid,_Count_of_Gálvez

Found this on Dagobert:
http://www.prairieghosts.com/dagobert.html

andre982d
10-12-2012, 05:18 PM
Perhaps a couple from Liberation:
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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Blaise_d%27Abbadie (http://www.prairieghosts.com/dagobert.html)

[url]http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Philippe_Aubry

eagleforlife1
10-13-2012, 07:49 PM
Another Liberation target. I think it is pretty much nailed on that we will kill him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackandal

eagleforlife1
10-23-2012, 04:49 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Andr%C3%A9

eagleforlife1
02-28-2013, 10:43 AM
Thought I would bump this thread in light of the news of ACIV: Black Flag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbeard

Also, a possible event:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1715_Treasure_Fleet

Moultonborough
02-28-2013, 12:00 PM
We will make another. Try not to Necro threads.

eagleforlife1
02-28-2013, 01:21 PM
We will make another. Try not to Necro threads.

Sorry, not sure why it matters though.