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Taffy_17
05-21-2012, 08:10 PM
"Now using the name "Connor", he found himself siding with the leaders of the American revolution, including George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, due mainly to his belief in the ideals that they represented."

Due to this quote from the AC wiki and that i understand that the Mohawk tribe was allied with the British during the revolution does this mean Connor will be fighting against his own people?

Any Ideas how they're going to get round this?

Discuss...

playassassins1
05-21-2012, 08:15 PM
Connor fights Templars. And the British aren't necessarily Templars.

Just like Connor said in the trailer.

'' I will fight the enemy, regardless of their allegiance.''

SaintPerkele
05-21-2012, 08:18 PM
I'm pretty sure that it was announced that Connor will also fight against certain Natives.

Marky2388
05-21-2012, 09:08 PM
Connor will be fighting against other agile native American foes who are just as comfortable in the wilderness as connor is.

I hope you can have a group of your Mohawk warriors help you at some stages in the game. I'm sure we'll see how big a role native americans have early on in the game sins it will be touching on the French & indian war.

rileypoole1234
05-21-2012, 09:09 PM
Yes they did say he'll fight natives. It'll be really cool to see a fight between Connor and a group of Natives. It should be a quick, deadly fight. Almost like wolves fighting each other.

TheHumanTowel
05-21-2012, 09:23 PM
Connor will be fighting against other agile native American foes who are just as comfortable in the wilderness as connor is.

I hope you can have a group of your Mohawk warriors help you at some stages in the game. I'm sure we'll see how big a role native americans have early on in the game sins it will be touching on the French & indian war.
That would be so cool to have natives hunting Connor. I can just imagine the tension as you try to see where your hunters are and the epic parkour chases through the trees.

rileypoole1234
05-21-2012, 09:35 PM
That would be so cool to have natives hunting Connor. I can just imagine the tension as you try to see where your hunters are and the epic parkour chases through the trees.

A parkour chase with Natives through the trees sounds epic!

Marky2388
05-21-2012, 09:50 PM
It sure does! Your Imagenation goes into over-drive with how many epic things this game could produce. some people's Childhood fantasy's may come true in this game.

BBALive
05-21-2012, 10:35 PM
"Now using the name "Connor", he found himself siding with the leaders of the American revolution, including George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, due mainly to his belief in the ideals that they represented."

Due to this quote from the AC wiki and that i understand that the Mohawk tribe was allied with the British during the revolution does this mean Connor will be fighting against his own people?

Any Ideas how they're going to get round this?

Discuss...

While most Indian tribes allied with the British, the Mohawk tribe was actually allied with both the British and the Colonists. Some allied with the British, some with the Colonists. It has been confirmed that you will fight against other Native Americans, but I imagine they'll mainly be Iroquois or Cherokee Indians.

rileypoole1234
05-22-2012, 02:14 AM
It sure does! Your Imagenation goes into over-drive with how many epic things this game could produce. some people's Childhood fantasy's may come true in this game.

Truly. I was insanely excited to hear that we are going to frantically run through a battlefield chasing an officer with cannons and soldiers firing all over the place. That was probably the first thing that popped into my head when I heard of the location and when I saw it in the teaser trailer, it lived up to my expectations and then some.:D

gamertam
05-22-2012, 03:00 AM
...and i'm saying if other Native tribes get involves and it looks like it will. There will be head scalping. :p

sticks165
05-22-2012, 04:19 AM
its gonna be pretty sick.

I'm pretty sure that it was announced that Connor will also fight against certain Natives.

also i like your sig :)

Moultonborough
05-22-2012, 04:56 AM
...and i'm saying if other Native tribes get involves and it looks like it will. There will be head scalping. :p

No there won't. Ubisoft already stated that they thought about putting it in but decided against it for a few different reasons.

EDIT: here's a link http://myona.com/2012/03/27/features-dropped-assassins-creed-3-philadelphia-harpoons-scalping/.

brick177
05-22-2012, 01:14 PM
"Now using the name "Connor", he found himself siding with the leaders of the American revolution, including George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, due mainly to his belief in the ideals that they represented."

Due to this quote from the AC wiki and that i understand that the Mohawk tribe was allied with the British during the revolution does this mean Connor will be fighting against his own people?

Any Ideas how they're going to get round this?

Discuss...

Considering Connor is half Native and half European, and says himself in the gameplay trailer that he is an outsider in both realms, I don't think he will see himself as allied with or fighting against any faction in particular. He is a loner who finds the ideals of the Colonists befitting his creed but not necessarily liking the Colonists as a people. For him it is likely the lesser of two evils, since he will not be truly accepted for who he is by any side. Connor won't really be "fighting against his own people" because he doesn't believe that he is accepted and belongs to any group of people.

As far as the Mohawks in the Revolution:

Joseph Brant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Brant) of the powerful Mohawk nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_nation), part of the Iroquois Confederacy based in New York, was the most prominent Native American leader against the rebel forces. In 1778 and 1780, he led 300 Iroquois warriors and 100 white Loyalists in multiple attacks on small frontier settlements in New York and Pennsylvania, killing many settlers and destroying villages, crops and stores.[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-60) The Seneca, Onondaga and Cayuga of the Iroquois Confederacy also allied with the British against the Americans. In 1779 the Continentals retaliated with an American army under John Sullivan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sullivan), which raided and destroyed 40 empty Iroquois villages in central and western New York.[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-61) Sullivan's forces systematically burned the villages and destroyed about 160,000 bushels of corn that comprised the winter food supply. Facing starvation and homeless for the winter, the Iroquois fled to the Niagara Falls area and to Canada, mostly to what became Ontario. The British resettled them there after the war, providing land grants as compensation for some of their losses.[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-62)

At the peace conference following the war, the British ceded lands which they did not really control, and did not consult their Indian allies. They "transferred" control to the Americans of all the land east of the Mississippi and north of Florida. The historian Calloway concludes:

Burned villages and crops, murdered chiefs, divided councils and civil wars, migrations, towns and forts choked with refugees, economic disruption, breaking of ancient traditions, losses in battle and to disease and hunger, betrayal to their enemies, all made the American Revolution one of the darkest periods in American Indian history.[64] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-63)

The British did not give up their forts in the West (what is now the Ohio to Wisconsin) until 1796; they kept alive the dream of forming a satellite Indian nation there, which they called a Neutral Indian Zone. That goal was one of the causes of the War of 1812 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812).[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-64)[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-65)

Taffy_17
05-22-2012, 04:32 PM
Considering Connor is half Native and half European, and says himself in the gameplay trailer that he is an outsider in both realms, I don't think he will see himself as allied with or fighting against any faction in particular. He is a loner who finds the ideals of the Colonists befitting his creed but not necessarily liking the Colonists as a people. For him it is likely the lesser of two evils, since he will not be truly accepted for who he is by any side. Connor won't really be "fighting against his own people" because he doesn't believe that he is accepted and belongs to any group of people.

As far as the Mohawks in the Revolution:

Joseph Brant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Brant) of the powerful Mohawk nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_nation), part of the Iroquois Confederacy based in New York, was the most prominent Native American leader against the rebel forces. In 1778 and 1780, he led 300 Iroquois warriors and 100 white Loyalists in multiple attacks on small frontier settlements in New York and Pennsylvania, killing many settlers and destroying villages, crops and stores.[61] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-60) The Seneca, Onondaga and Cayuga of the Iroquois Confederacy also allied with the British against the Americans. In 1779 the Continentals retaliated with an American army under John Sullivan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sullivan), which raided and destroyed 40 empty Iroquois villages in central and western New York.[62] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-61) Sullivan's forces systematically burned the villages and destroyed about 160,000 bushels of corn that comprised the winter food supply. Facing starvation and homeless for the winter, the Iroquois fled to the Niagara Falls area and to Canada, mostly to what became Ontario. The British resettled them there after the war, providing land grants as compensation for some of their losses.[63] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-62)

At the peace conference following the war, the British ceded lands which they did not really control, and did not consult their Indian allies. They "transferred" control to the Americans of all the land east of the Mississippi and north of Florida. The historian Calloway concludes:

Burned villages and crops, murdered chiefs, divided councils and civil wars, migrations, towns and forts choked with refugees, economic disruption, breaking of ancient traditions, losses in battle and to disease and hunger, betrayal to their enemies, all made the American Revolution one of the darkest periods in American Indian history.[64] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-63)

The British did not give up their forts in the West (what is now the Ohio to Wisconsin) until 1796; they kept alive the dream of forming a satellite Indian nation there, which they called a Neutral Indian Zone. That goal was one of the causes of the War of 1812 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812).[65] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-64)[66] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-65)

Wow!

That was pretty much the answer i was looking for and more!

Very informative!

Cheers

Marky2388
05-22-2012, 08:27 PM
I want to see a screenshot or something of the natives to see what they look like!

Assassin_M
05-22-2012, 08:31 PM
The conflict and narrative of this game just keep getting interesting and complex by the day xD
And we don't even know half of it:eek:

OriginalMiles
05-22-2012, 08:36 PM
I want to see a screenshot or something of the natives to see what they look like!
Connor's a (half) native, there're lots of pics of him.

rileypoole1234
05-22-2012, 08:38 PM
I want to see a screenshot or something of the natives to see what they look like!

Me too. I honestly don't know how they would've really looked. I've only really seen Native Americans made for the big screen.

masterfenix2009
05-23-2012, 05:06 AM
Me too. I honestly don't know how they would've really looked. I've only really seen Native Americans made for the big screen. And most of the time they are stereotypical.