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dyerguy1234
05-19-2012, 10:45 PM
me and my sister both agree that they should bring gender choice into assassins creed so you can have male or female playable characters. what do you guys think?

SixKeys
05-19-2012, 10:48 PM
While I have nothing against seeing more gender equality in the franchise, being able to choose your gender makes no sense in the context of the story. You are reliving your ancestor's memories. That ancestor is a fixed point in space and time, you can't choose what gender, age or race they were.

Assassin_M
05-19-2012, 10:49 PM
I would definitely like to play as a female Assassin, but not in the context of creation..
And Welcome to the Forums ;)

itsamea-mario
05-19-2012, 11:01 PM
Well these games are very story driven, and the gender of the protagonist is a fairly important story point. this isn't an rpg after all, when was the last time you chose your gender in a story book?

Assassin_M
05-19-2012, 11:03 PM
Well these games are very story driven, and the gender of the protagonist is a fairly important story point. this isn't an rpg after all, when was the last time you chose your gender in a story book?
I chose to be the wolf in red riding hood :p

Serrachio
05-19-2012, 11:14 PM
I would like to see a female Assassin after Desmond's trilogy ends. Even though I know history is predominantly male-orientated, I would like to see a female ancestor since it's like females have always been side support in the games.

I kind of don't get why there can't be a female Assassin, since they're going to be fictional anyway.

SixKeys
05-20-2012, 12:19 AM
I would like to see a female Assassin after Desmond's trilogy ends. Even though I know history is predominantly male-orientated, I would like to see a female ancestor since it's like females have always been side support in the games.

I kind of don't get why there can't be a female Assassin, since they're going to be fictional anyway.

I agree. It would require creative thinking from the writing team (but we already know they're capable of that) as they would have to work around the issues of historical accuracy vs. player freedom, but let's not forget there have been female assassins in history. They would just need the right kind of setting and backstory.

Did we ever figure out whether the modern day protagonists necessarily have to match the gender of their ancestors? It doesn't seem to me like this would have to be the case but I'm not too familiar with the genetic side of AC. I think we could easily have a modern day female protagonist who had a male ancestor or vice versa.

notafanboy
05-20-2012, 12:32 AM
While I have nothing against seeing more gender equality in the franchise, being able to choose your gender makes no sense in the context of the story. You are reliving your ancestor's memories. That ancestor is a fixed point in space and time, you can't choose what gender, age or race they were.

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Serrachio
05-20-2012, 01:22 AM
I agree. It would require creative thinking from the writing team (but we already know they're capable of that) as they would have to work around the issues of historical accuracy vs. player freedom, but let's not forget there have been female assassins in history. They would just need the right kind of setting and backstory.

Did we ever figure out whether the modern day protagonists necessarily have to match the gender of their ancestors? It doesn't seem to me like this would have to be the case but I'm not too familiar with the genetic side of AC. I think we could easily have a modern day female protagonist who had a male ancestor or vice versa.

I think what people are worried about is that by having a female ancestor and a male protagonist in the modern section of the game or vice versa, somehow interacting with them through the Animus is going to turn the guy or girl into a raging homosexual.

Quite frankly, I don't believe it. There are female Templars in the Multiplayer, and you can't realistically expect that if you pick that character, the person experiencing them in the Animi Training Program is a girl, and when it's a guy Templar, it's a guy.

All that's been established is that the Bleeding Effect imparts the ancestor's skills onto the Animus user, and that it has the nasty side effect of their memories leeching into the participant's, provided they have a blood connection. Desmond hasn't shown signs of adopting Altair or Ezio's personalities, so I figure its all good to have an opposite gender interaction through the Animus.

But it's not like we can state that for certain, after all, it hasn't happened yet.

xx-pyro
05-20-2012, 01:51 AM
Basically what everyone above has said, once you add in character creation and a few other RPG elements you lose a bit of story canon. I'd love to play a female Assassin and it honestly wouldn't be that difficult to do, the Assassins are fictional after all so Ubisoft can turn anybody into one.

rileypoole1234
05-20-2012, 02:37 AM
I agree with what everybody above says. I'd like to play as a female character, but we shouldn't be able to choose due to the nature of genetic memories and the fact that the ancestor already existed, so it would be one gender or another.

LightRey
05-20-2012, 09:48 AM
That would turn AC into a "variable" story, so to speak. No thank you. Stick to canon.

LordWolv
05-20-2012, 09:58 AM
That would turn AC into a "variable" story, so to speak. No thank you. Stick to canon.
I'm seconding that. I don't care which gender the main character will be, but what I don't want is a choice; I'd rather Ubisoft tell me who I'm playing is.

roostersrule2
05-20-2012, 10:24 AM
It wouldn't work as you can't choose your ancestors.

ProletariatPleb
05-20-2012, 11:15 AM
That would turn AC into a "variable" story, so to speak. No thank you. Stick to canon.
That, a million times that. Assassin's Creed isn't an RPG, the dialogs have to be..specific, having gender options it gonna need dialogs that don't say him/her and the name..or just will have to use Last name(Mass Effect style).
While I'm not against having a female protagonist, I'd personally prefer a male protagonist or maybe if it fits the story, don't want Ubisoft to do a female protagonist just because a few people are demanding for it, unless it fits, don't want the series to get ruined.

OriginalMiles
05-20-2012, 11:29 AM
Female Assassin = Good
Gender Choice = NO! GOD, NO!
(clears throat) Okay, as much much as I would like a female protagonist in AC (I like playing as females, no idea why) I would absolutely hate it if it was a choice, RPGs are RPGs for a reason, you role play, choose gender is an RPG type of thing, Mass Effect, Pokemon, The Elder Scrolls, etcetera have gender choice because they are RPGs, while AC doesn't because it is an open world sandbox, so no, no gender choice in AC.

D.I.D.
05-20-2012, 01:01 PM
I'd rather they just bit the bullet and put in a female assassin.

If it was a choice, just the extra audio data alone would add a huge burden to a game which is already very large and very complex. That said, if they could do it then it might add even more replay value to the game.

I love what Rockstar did with Episodes in Liberty City. I think it's a great approach to providing games in between the numbered titles. If anybody doesn't know how this worked, GTAIV had its main character and along the way that character met a number of NPCs. Then each of the Episodes took one of those NPCs and made them the protagonist for each game with their own story which occasionally tied in with the original events of GTAIV. Obviously this is easier for GTAIV since there was a stylistic precedent with Pulp Fiction and the game is entirely fictitious, whereas AC would need to find a location and period in which there was more than enough political intrigue and death to stretch around two or more stories: a bit of a tall order.

Stormpen
05-20-2012, 02:25 PM
Even though I know history is predominantly male-orientated

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2nmapPwZu1qacv0k.png


It would have been nice to have a female ancestor; or at least a female main character who wasn't a possible love interest/ prostitute etc.
Oh wait, Rebecca.

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 06:11 AM
Oh wait, Rebecca.

Side support.

LordWolv
05-21-2012, 06:51 AM
It's true that the female appearances in the game are either prostitutes or somebody to love, apart from Rebecca. I want that changed.

Stormpen
05-21-2012, 06:55 AM
Well, maybe Connor could have a tougher version of Pocahontas as a fellow assassin.....

LordWolv
05-21-2012, 07:00 AM
Maybe, but he'd probably fall in love with her knowing Ubisoft.

Stormpen
05-21-2012, 07:07 AM
That would be okay, as long as SHE doesn't fall in love with him...
....
What am I saying?

LordWolv
05-21-2012, 07:14 AM
That would be okay, as long as SHE doesn't fall in love with him...
....
What am I saying?
Hahahaha xD
Oh well, we'll just have to wait and see.

MaKaVeLiTL
05-21-2012, 07:56 AM
It would ruin the whole story IMO.

LightRey
05-21-2012, 12:36 PM
Well, if you have a team of assassins that are always together, say, two lovers that later have a child together, then you could give the player a choice between male and female and even offer co-op (though they'd have to give a good Animus explanation for that) I guess.

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 06:13 PM
Well, if you have a team of assassins that are always together, say, two lovers that later have a child together, then you could give the player a choice between male and female and even offer co-op (though they'd have to give a good Animus explanation for that) I guess.

I doubt it. While it is possible, Ubisoft would most likely make the child the player character, or you'd only be able to play co-op until the kid was conceived.

Astralcloak
05-21-2012, 06:40 PM
While I have nothing against seeing more gender equality in the franchise, being able to choose your gender makes no sense in the context of the story. You are reliving your ancestor's memories. That ancestor is a fixed point in space and time, you can't choose what gender, age or race they were.

I all fairness to Ubisoft, throughout the whole Assassins series they've been very fair to women, in pretty-much every game i can think of there are powerful or positioned women who are not only strong but vitally important to the story, you'v got Maria in AC1, although not ACTUALLY in the game per-se , The leader of Forli who's name i'm afraid to try and spell in AC2, as well as ezio's sister, and Rosa of the Venice theif's guild, in Brotherhood there's Lucretzia, and in Revelations theres Sofia. And of course there's Lucy who kicked *** at Abstergo busting you out, and lead an assassin cell, and tech-wiz rebecca, and isn't one of the statues in the sanctuary under monterrigioni a woman>?

(please excuse me if i get the names wrong its been a while since i went over the cannon)

MetalCreed
05-21-2012, 07:15 PM
This isn't an RPG game.
/thread

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 07:55 PM
I all fairness to Ubisoft, throughout the whole Assassins series they've been very fair to women, in pretty-much every game i can think of there are powerful or positioned women who are not only strong but vitally important to the story, you'v got Maria in AC1, although not ACTUALLY in the game per-se , The leader of Forli who's name i'm afraid to try and spell in AC2, as well as ezio's sister, and Rosa of the Venice theif's guild, in Brotherhood there's Lucretzia, and in Revelations theres Sofia. And of course there's Lucy who kicked *** at Abstergo busting you out, and lead an assassin cell, and tech-wiz rebecca, and isn't one of the statues in the sanctuary under monterrigioni a woman>?

(please excuse me if i get the names wrong its been a while since i went over the cannon)

I won't deny it, they are fair in representing women, but I think what would be best is to have a female in a protagonist role to breathe some fresh air into the series. I mean, all of the main ancestors are guys. (Aquilus, Altair, Ezio, Connor, Nikolai Orelov)

Shao Jun was somewhat of a step away from that, but her appearance was to learn from Ezio, so she was kind of put in the sidelines.

Deltasparkz
05-21-2012, 08:50 PM
You can be a Female in multiplayer

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 09:54 PM
You can be a Female in multiplayer

Those are only multiplayer characters, not story protagonists.

MARV3L3D GAM3R
05-21-2012, 10:09 PM
i would almost say that it may be better to be a guy in the story simply because men have always been on the front lines in wars and fighting. In society it is more acceptable to watch a man be bunched, shot or stabbed or whatever it might be but rarely is it acceptable for a women, hence why women are not portrayed as action characters. im not entirely opposed to the idea of having a female protagonist but i do believe alot of women and womens right group would be very offended. This is just my opinion that is supported from what i have witnessed concerning female positions in movies.

If a women is going to be the main character in a game the dynamics would have to be entirely different, such as fighting styles, speed, defense and offense. Certainly a hardcore women would be able to keep up with the strength of a man but not for too long, hence she would have to be more dynamic and rely heavily on counter moves and sneak attacks. Also, outrunning would have to be more of a skill rather than Ezio/ Altair simply outrunning individuals in a straight shot. She would have to use her abilities to climbing, and leap. Although it would have to be better planned out.

IDK just thinking.....

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't say women's rights groups would be that offended. After all, this is the 21st century, and gender equality is more visible in this age that it was before.

I agree with you on the differences between a man and woman when it comes to action, but I believe Ubisoft already knows what it would take, and would be able to pull it off effectively and believably. To repeat an example, Shao Jun shows they're capable of it, considering the fight scene in Embers.

SixKeys
05-21-2012, 11:08 PM
It's silly to say women would be offended to see a female character get punched, stabbed etc. There is a right and a wrong way to go about showing violence towards women in video games. When it's done in a way that is obviously meant to show male dominance and subjugate women, that's wrong. When the game is simply treating women like they would any other character, that's a good way to go about it. Women can get hurt in video games, but it shouldn't only happen as justification for the man to get all protective as if women are incapable of fending for themselves by default.

Serrachio
05-21-2012, 11:25 PM
It's silly to say women would be offended to see a female character get punched, stabbed etc. There is a right and a wrong way to go about showing violence towards women in video games. When it's done in a way that is obviously meant to show male dominance and subjugate women, that's wrong. When the game is simply treating women like they would any other character, that's a good way to go about it. Women can get hurt in video games, but it shouldn't only happen as justification for the man to get all protective as if women are incapable of fending for themselves by default.

I agree with you, although I'd think it'd be kind of humourous if a male character thought that they could dominate the female protagonist, but then she turned the tables and thoroughly kicked their ****. Not trying to say that I think that situation is acceptable in modern society (i.e. that situation coming about), but since it was prevalent back then, it would be an idea that could be used.

Edit: Now that I think of it, it reminds me of Rosa.

D.I.D.
05-22-2012, 12:32 AM
i would almost say that it may be better to be a guy in the story simply because men have always been on the front lines in wars and fighting. In society it is more acceptable to watch a man be bunched, shot or stabbed or whatever it might be but rarely is it acceptable for a women, hence why women are not portrayed as action characters. im not entirely opposed to the idea of having a female protagonist but i do believe alot of women and womens right group would be very offended. This is just my opinion that is supported from what i have witnessed concerning female positions in movies.

If a women is going to be the main character in a game the dynamics would have to be entirely different, such as fighting styles, speed, defense and offense. Certainly a hardcore women would be able to keep up with the strength of a man but not for too long, hence she would have to be more dynamic and rely heavily on counter moves and sneak attacks. Also, outrunning would have to be more of a skill rather than Ezio/ Altair simply outrunning individuals in a straight shot. She would have to use her abilities to climbing, and leap. Although it would have to be better planned out.

IDK just thinking.....

I disagree with what you're saying here.

Firstly, women's groups being offended by women in violent roles? No. There are plenty of objections to violence against women when it becomes a kind of spiteful pornography, and there are plenty of examples of very objectionable violent roles for female characters. There are many movies where the woman goes and kicks *** because she's been raped, for example, which is a really poor motivation and it's all too common (in US cinema in particular: I Spit On Your Grave, Wanted, Thelma & Louise, etc). I cannot think of a single film where a man goes and kills everybody after he's been raped, and if such a film has escaped my attention then I bet it's no action movie. Another tawdry way that women get to be action stars is if their characters are eye-candy for straight men. I'm certain Ubisoft could handle this kind of character much better than that, though. (Also, did you really mean to say women are not portrayed as action characters? Off the top of my head: Tank Girl, Tomb Raider, Sucker Punch, Terminator (Sarah Connor), Buffy, Resident Evil (Alice), Coffy, Aeon Flux, Salt, Ripley, Nikita, Elektra, Trinity from The Matrix, Catwoman, River Song, Emma Peel, Starbuck... I could go on for ages over this!)

Secondly, arguably assassins shouldn't be like Tasmanian Devil anyway and ought to be a lot more stealthy and less cartoonishly murderous than Ezio was (and it would make a better game), but could women keep up with full-scale direct violence? Yes they can, and yes they have. The last time this topic came up I wrote a quick and by no means exhaustive list of notable women: take a look http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/664360-No-female-lead-in-Assassin-s-Creed-III-because-American-Revolution-was-quot-a-man-s-world?p=8207566&viewfull=1#post8207566

pirate1802
05-22-2012, 04:46 AM
I have no problems whatsoever is seeing a female assassin, infact I'd prefer to see one. As far as gender choice goes, I'm not so sure about that. AC isn't an RPG..

ace3001
05-22-2012, 05:58 AM
I'd rather stick to a canon storyline in something like AC. Gender choice is for games like Skyrim where the storyline is pretty much what you make of it. The only story driven game series I know that has dealt with a gender choice is Mass Effect series, and that is also because there are a lot of choices that you can make to compensate for change of gender.

Lonesoldier2012
05-22-2012, 06:41 AM
No.

Jamison_J_B
05-23-2012, 02:03 PM
having a rpgish element to AC (as in choosing your own gender at startup), no. Playing as a female character, sure why not.

ezio2411
05-23-2012, 02:54 PM
hell no, i that would ruin the game like SixKeys said your an ancestor's replaying memories in a certain place in time. also if they do they would have to make different reactions for each characters like for a girl, guys would have to be hitting on you unlike guys girls will hit on you. also more guys play assassins creed then girls and the guys would like to relate to the chatacter,girls also dont have the endurance,they have romance , and they can get pregnant and what assassin can kill while pregnant

Assassin_M
05-23-2012, 04:47 PM
hell no, i that would ruin the game like SixKeys said your an ancestor's replaying memories in a certain place in time. also if they do they would have to make different reactions for each characters like for a girl, guys would have to be hitting on you unlike guys girls will hit on you. also more guys play assassins creed then girls and the guys would like to relate to the chatacter,girls also dont have the endurance,they have romance , and they can get pregnant and what assassin can kill while pregnant
I can relate to a Female Assassin:rolleyes:

D.I.D.
05-24-2012, 04:20 AM
hell no, i that would ruin the game like SixKeys said your an ancestor's replaying memories in a certain place in time. also if they do they would have to make different reactions for each characters like for a girl, guys would have to be hitting on you unlike guys girls will hit on you. also more guys play assassins creed then girls and the guys would like to relate to the chatacter,girls also dont have the endurance,they have romance , and they can get pregnant and what assassin can kill while pregnant

Can't tell if trolling or...

eagleforlife1
05-24-2012, 08:38 AM
I can relate to a Female Assassin:rolleyes:

Precisely. The guy's crazy.

EscoBlades
05-24-2012, 07:31 PM
Speaking of female assassins.... (http://www.xboxgamezone.co.uk/2012/05/24/the-time-to-introduce-a-female-assassin-lead-character-is-now/)