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aminx
08-16-2004, 09:10 AM
hi,
what was the colour, and what was the USN carrier deck made of after jan 1943 to 1945?does anyone have any colour photos of the decks for us to see in detail.
aminx

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aminx
08-16-2004, 09:10 AM
hi,
what was the colour, and what was the USN carrier deck made of after jan 1943 to 1945?does anyone have any colour photos of the decks for us to see in detail.
aminx

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/113.jpg

WOLFMondo
08-16-2004, 10:00 AM
I thought they were just plain old treated wood and not painted apart from lines and markers?

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Fliger747
08-16-2004, 10:41 AM
One of my books with COLOR photos of WWII carrier ops shows that decks were either "deck blue" or "natural". Surprisingly this could vary on the same ship within a period of several months.

aminx
08-16-2004, 12:45 PM
as a matter of fact i have built a 1/48 clear wood deck and varnished it to depict carrier decks prior to dec 1942 for my Dauntless sbd3.then while building the Corsair i realised that the decks post that date where different but i could'nt figure out if they where steel or wood.it now appears that they where painted blue grey or intermediate blue but where still made of wood while the british carriers where of steel.so all that said i will proceed to building another deck to speck for the Corsair.
aminx

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II_JG1Hartmann
08-16-2004, 01:49 PM
I know that the US used wood since it was easier to replace when damaged. I think it was teak and when treated and stained it gave it the yellow color. It wasn't until later in the war that the carriers went steel. Around 1944 and later.

VF-11 Vadger
08-16-2004, 01:59 PM
Yes, the US used teak for all the said reasons that HArtmann stated and then some. Here is a top down and side view of the uss hornet

http://www.highalpharc.com/COD/Hornet.jpg

http://www.highalpharc.com/COD/cod2.jpg

Blutarski2004
08-16-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
hi,
what was the colour, and what was the USN carrier deck made of after jan 1943 to 1945?does anyone have any colour photos of the decks for us to see in detail.
aminx

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/113.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... IIRC, in the later war period US carrier decks were painted a bluish grey to reduce their visual signature from above.


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Fliger747
08-16-2004, 02:22 PM
I'm not at home at present (as usual) but the Color photos in the book (Carriers at War?) showed two photos of the Yorktown in Mid and Late 1943. In the EARLIER one, she has a "deck blue" flight deck. In the LATER one, natural wood. For some reason the paint (stain?) was stripped.

No USN Carrier of WWII that saw active duty during the hostilities (to my knowledge) had a steel deck surface. The Midways's which did not see active service during the war did have an armored flight deck, though whether ot not it was "overplanked" originally I cann'a say at present.

aminx
08-16-2004, 02:25 PM
USS HORNET picture
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thats exactly what my carrier deck looks like(pre december 1942).now i'm going to paint the next one(jan 1943 onwards) with the blue grey followed by the plank details,white lines and varnish it.
thanks very much for photo,sure gives me some comfort.
aminx

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[This message was edited by aminx on Mon August 16 2004 at 01:35 PM.]

aminx
08-16-2004, 02:34 PM
steel deck surface carriers

only the British had steel decks and they where armoured.i wonder how much less damage the usn carrier fleet would have suffered had they built their carrier decks of reinforced steel.i was told that the reason they where of wood was because of some international treaty with the british and japs to create some kind of limitation(number of carriers each could have) based on tonnage and not numbers, some years before the war errupted,so less weight meant more carriers.
aminx

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JG53Frankyboy
08-16-2004, 02:49 PM
also the USN wanted that their ships would be able to cross the panamachannel , that also gives some limitiations. and with a given tonnage , with armoured decks the carriers would be able to carry less planes - like the british ones

the HMS Illustrious had a displacement of ~30.000tons, with deckparking ~54 planes could be operated
the USS Essex had ~35.000 tons and was over 30m longer ! also it could operate ~100 planes

Latico
08-16-2004, 09:02 PM
Wooden Decks also made the ships lighter for speed. The USN wanted Fast carriers so the opted not to go with Armored decks.

USS Enterprise CV-6 seemed to use the all blue camo scheme throughout most of the War,

Fliger747
08-17-2004, 01:43 AM
Ships designers attempt to reduce top weight in ships for stability reasons (to keep from capsizing due to damage, sea keeping etc.). Carriers especially need to be mindfull of top weight!

It is significant that not a single Essex class carrier was ever sunk due to enemy action, though many recieved serious hits!

08-17-2004, 02:51 AM
Figured I'd post a picture since you've only gotton a drawing so far.


USS Yorktown (CV-10)
Mid-1943, possibly during her shakedown cruise in the late spring. Note this carrier's unique longitudinal black flight deck stripe.

http://www.bmwz.co.uk/armstrong/CV10-1.jpg

That is the only color picture I have from that area showing the flight deck from above.

http://www.zeuxis.nildram.co.uk/images/seafury.gif

aminx
08-18-2004, 03:18 AM
no deck colours here due to strong light effect and angle while taking photo but interesting to note details on deck like folded fighter on top of elevator.
aminx

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Fliger747
08-18-2004, 02:17 PM
Here's catching the wire, a F4U-1 (new donationware, Sim Outhouse) on a CFS2 Virtual Navy rendition of an Essex, blue decks and all!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/fliger747/F4U1Acatchnthewire.jpg

And on the Big E, ready for takeoff.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/fliger747/F4U-1Ent.jpg

aminx
08-18-2004, 11:21 PM
the colour of the deck i just finnished building and painting looks almost
the same except fot the broken white lines (mine are continous)will adjust.plank details and separation,arrestor hooks look the same but maybe the shade of blue is slightly distorted by light effects.
thanks reference
aminx

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/113.jpg

BSS_Vidar
08-18-2004, 11:46 PM
Just a witt'l tid bit about the Blue decks. That was a stain they used, not paint. It would fade and ware off quickly showing natural wood at the highly wore down areas of high use. Stain was used mostly 'cause a paint product would have made the deck very slick.
The stain was Dark Navy Sea Blue. I don't have the Federal Standard (FS) number, but I bet I can find in on a modelers forum.

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aminx
08-19-2004, 08:53 AM
yes, you are right it is a stain and there is an
id number and available by model master paints.
i just saw the HORNETS colour before beeing sunk at SANTA CRUZ and it was to my amazement a camouflage,slightly dark blue/grey/green mix on the deck and hull.
aminx

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aminx
08-19-2004, 08:53 AM
yes, you are right it is a stain and there is an
id number and available by model master paints.
i just saw the HORNETS colour before beeing sunk at SANTA CRUZ and it was to my amazement a camouflage,slightly dark blue/grey/green mix on the deck and hull.
aminx

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/113.jpg