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Bull-Dog.
01-23-2004, 05:55 AM
Why do these people circle home bases waiting for stationary a/C to appear on the ground for an easy kill.
after not manging to even get my prop turning before being killed 3 times this morning on the "Slamming" server i gave up and switched off my PC.
I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun.
If they want to shoot at target that cant shoot back why dont they try "space invaders". There again they are probably to young know what i`m talking about.
Sorry but I had to say something.


Bull-Dog.

Bull-Dog.
01-23-2004, 05:55 AM
Why do these people circle home bases waiting for stationary a/C to appear on the ground for an easy kill.
after not manging to even get my prop turning before being killed 3 times this morning on the "Slamming" server i gave up and switched off my PC.
I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun.
If they want to shoot at target that cant shoot back why dont they try "space invaders". There again they are probably to young know what i`m talking about.
Sorry but I had to say something.


Bull-Dog.

SUPERAEREO
01-23-2004, 05:57 AM
Actually, "Space Invaders" do shoot back... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

-HH-Dubbo
01-23-2004, 06:01 AM
There's no shooting in Pac Man though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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SeaFireLIV
01-23-2004, 06:04 AM
It`s the eternal question Bull-Dog, people who get a kick out of pointlessly p***ing people off!

That server should have AAA.

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SUPERAEREO
01-23-2004, 06:06 AM
Does anyone remember that 2-player version of "Asteroids" that had a triangular ship and one with a round prow?

Wish I could find it somewhere to download... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Huxley_S
01-23-2004, 06:11 AM
I reconcile myself after a meciless straffing run on an airfield that if I didn't do it then someone else would and it might as well be me who picks up the points.

Since I'll be heading off home to land for the full 100 I console myself in knowing that you'll have plenty of time to get off the ground.

If ammo is unlimited however it's a different story and I wouldn't vulch you under those circumstances.

A Vulcher.

SUPERAEREO
01-23-2004, 06:17 AM
OK, seriously, why don't you fly on a server that boots vulchers?

Mind you, even if the server does you always bump into one, occasionally.
The other day some moron on my side took off behind me and started shooting at my plane, but he was so crap he kept missing... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Future-
01-23-2004, 06:41 AM
Slammin DOES boot vulchers, there are specific rules on his server regarding ground attack.

"I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun."

You've never piloted a bomber, have you? The challenge is to get in, deliver your bombs to your targets and get out in one piece; the achievment is when you at least destroy 2 enemy planes before you get shot; the fun is... well... experiencing the thrill of going right into the hornet's nest and fighting your way through as you try to score vital hits for your team.
So why in the world should I spare you or anybody else, especially when I know that YOU certainly won't let me return to base safely if you get airborn.
I'm a bomber pilot, and I use my equipment to take maximum advantage of a situation at hand, just as you do too. And if this approach incorporates the repeated bombing of one and the same person due to the lack of other valuable targets, so be it!

S!, and I hope you understand now.

- Future

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oFZo
01-23-2004, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Slammin DOES boot vulchers, there are specific rules on his server regarding ground attack.

"I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun."

You've never piloted a bomber, have you? The challenge is to get in, deliver your bombs to your targets and get out in one piece; the achievment is when you at least destroy 2 enemy planes before you get shot; the fun is... well... experiencing the thrill of going right into the hornet's nest and fighting your way through as you try to score vital hits for your team.
So why in the world should I spare you or anybody else, especially when I know that YOU certainly won't let me return to base safely if you get airborn.
I'm a bomber pilot, and I use my equipment to take maximum advantage of a situation at hand, just as you do too. And if this approach incorporates the repeated bombing of one and the same person due to the lack of other valuable targets, so be it!

S!, and I hope you understand now.

- Future

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Word.

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CRSutton
01-23-2004, 07:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
Does anyone remember that 2-player version of "Asteroids" that had a triangular ship and one with a round prow?

Wish I could find it somewhere to download... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, if I recall the screen was in color. What a great leap forward that was :-)

SKULLS_LZ
01-23-2004, 07:40 AM
The fun is in getting airborne, chasing down the vulcher and killing him. You would be amazed at how many times I've experienced this. Next time don't be a baby, don't get mad: get even!

Maple_Tiger
01-23-2004, 07:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
OK, seriously, why don't you fly on a server that boots vulchers?

Mind you, even if the server does you always bump into one, occasionally.
The other day some moron on my side took off behind me and started shooting at my plane, but he was so crap he kept missing... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lmao,

i have had that happen twice lol. This was a while ago though. I think the first time this guy in a La7 took off before me and circled base while i took off. Then he dove down and and put some holes in me. Yes, icons where on.

Zayets
01-23-2004, 07:59 AM
Listen to Future!
He's right.I said that everytime wussies cry about "vulchers". My boy, I am a bomber pilot and I don't give a damn you are on the ground polishing your wheels. If you get airborne you will not spare me and you know I don't stand a chance in the IL2 or P47 , even He111. I don't fly stukas ,but maybe I'll reconsider this.My goal is to reach the objective , deliver the merchandise and go home. If you happen to be around , sorry for you.Oh , btw , evenn if I'm in the He111 , I straff the ground like a mad man with the fore gun. Just to make sure nobody takes off the ground.

But!If you speak about fightjocks , then you might be right , although I could care less about this as well. I don't fly fighters , so I can't help you here saying if is good or bad.

Meanwhile , try to have fun , even if you're bounced once in a while.After all , is just a game.

Zayets out

SUPERAEREO
01-23-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CRSutton:
Yes, if I recall the screen was in color. What a great leap forward that was :-)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember it in B/W but there were about 7 different settings which changed the inertia of the ships or the gravity around the central sun.

In a way it was the first multiplayer flying shooter LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not 100% sure it was still called Asteroids though...

BaldieJr
01-23-2004, 08:30 AM
I just don't understand the people who quit a game because they don't have it easy. Where is the challenge in that?

Vulching is a beautifull thing. Next time, rather than quit the game because it offers you more of a challenge than you prefer, try saluting the guy who shoots you up. He obviously had to do something well, in order to be above your base.

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-HH-Dubbo
01-23-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CRSutton:
Yes, if I recall the screen was in color. What a great leap forward that was :-)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember it in B/W but there were about 7 different settings which changed the inertia of the ships or the gravity around the central sun.

In a way it was the first multiplayer flying shooter LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not 100% sure it was still called Asteroids though...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the settings changed the speed too. I liked the full real settings with the drift/inertia thing set to "on" and of course the gravity of the sun set to "strong". It did come in colour too but I think it was because some of the later machines had a coloured transparent film stuck to the inside of the glass. Some Asteroids machines had it too. I can't remember what the 2 player version was called. Ah the good ol' days. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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Helonwhls87
01-23-2004, 11:12 AM
Are you guys talking about "Space Duel"? It was made by Atari same as "Asteroids". It was in color and you could play with two ships linked together one red and the other green.

CRSutton look for a program called MaMe32 (Multiple Arcade Machine emulator). With it and the game roms you can relive the glory days of gaming.

http://www.mameworld.net/

J30Vader
01-23-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull-Dog.:
Why do these people circle home bases waiting for stationary a/C to appear on the ground for an easy kill.
after not manging to even get my prop turning before being killed 3 times this morning on the "Slamming" server i gave up and switched off my PC.
I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun.
If they want to shoot at target that cant shoot back why dont they try "space invaders". There again they are probably to young know what i`m talking about.
Sorry but I had to say something.


Bull-Dog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMO, the reason is simple. They want to be the top scorer. Get rid of the scoreboard, or at least allow the server to disable it.

VW-IceFire
01-23-2004, 11:54 AM
In some instances this is a properly executed arial attack against an enemy airbase. Its not like this didn't happen during WWII...lots of airbases were attacked by low flying fighters picking off their opponents before they took off. In a dogfight server there should be two things plus a team element that stops this:

1) Multiple airbases...if one is under attack respawn elsewhere, fly to the first one and clear the skies above it.

2) AAA defenses to inhibit unchallenged attacks on airbases. Even a pair of heavy flak guns and a AAA truck can be enough to cause your enemy to break off or take enough hits to concern him more than your stationary aircraft.

3) There's also the team element. Utilizing points 1 and 2 your team should have a group of fighters who are flying CAP interceptions around friendly airbases. No vulcher should go unchallenged or unpunished for his attack which would limit the attack time from several minutes of continual boring attacks to a few seconds scoring a single or a couple of attacks before they are forced to break off or are shot down.

Straight dogfight servers should probably prohibit vulching...since the only reason its done is to increase score. In a scripted server however its a legitimate tactic (objectives need to be accomplished - various stragies can be employed) provided 1 + 2 are in place and generally point 3 naturally comes along or is organized.

- IceFire
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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 12:07 PM
i have the Playstation 1 version of "ASTEROIDS"
its insane fun

hard core alien & rock zapping

the higher levels get wickedly hard



as for Vultchers ..... THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE DAY ONE

GET USED TO IT

seriously it isnt ever going to stop , just deal with it

tagert
01-23-2004, 12:08 PM
Drink Bud Dry

TAGERT

FI.Spitsfire
01-23-2004, 12:13 PM
Space hawk!

thats the 2 player asteroids in color
different ships guns and cool levels,
fun game... dunno the link

start from another airbase if possible then hand out some punishment to the vulchers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Old_Canuck
01-23-2004, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI.Spitsfire:
Space hawk!

thats the 2 player asteroids in color
different ships guns and cool levels,
fun game... dunno the link

start from another airbase if possible then hand out some punishment to the vulchers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_banner_10.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 04:14 PM
or buy the playstation1 version

it has excellent graphics & is 2 player enabeled

seriously the higher levels get insanely hard

Helonwhls87
01-23-2004, 06:17 PM
If we are talking about arcade games and not console games. I think they were talking about "Space Duel". It might have went by a different name in other countries not sure about that.

Anyway does look familiar?

http://images.webmagic.com/klov.com/screens/S/zSpace_Duel.png

noshens
01-23-2004, 06:26 PM
if you get vulched all the time and don't want to leave the server try choosing TB3. It's tough to kill (especially when it's not in the air, won't crash without wings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) and use those AI gunners as AA.

Works for me.

EPP-Gibbs
01-23-2004, 06:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Slammin DOES boot vulchers, there are specific rules on his server regarding ground attack.

"I cannot understand the pilots that do this. Where is the challange, where is the achievment, where is the fun."

I'm a bomber pilot, and I use my equipment to take maximum advantage of a situation at hand, just as you do too. And if this approach incorporates the repeated bombing of one and the same person due to the lack of other valuable targets, so be it!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's a game, and youre enjoying it by destroying that plane on the ground. By the same token, that person on the ground has joined in to enjoy the game too. But, he's unable to do so because he can't even get rolling before someone kills him...over and over again. It's no fun for him at all. As for being killed over and over again on the ground by the same person...I think I'd get fed up with it too, switch off the PC and go find something more interesting to do.

The point being, if he gets into the air YOU can still defend yourself, run away or whatever. If he's on the ground starting his engine, and you attack...there's nothing he can do. He's defenceless, and that's the irritating thing. Simple point scoring off someone who has no opportunity to fight back.

A single successful ground attack by a bomber, or accurate strafe by a fighter can be applauded by the victim as a good hit....but it gets very tiresome when it's done over and over and over again...with the victim totally unable to join in the game as a result unless he resorts to changing sides or base-hopping.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

FI-Aflak
01-23-2004, 09:57 PM
Hows this for a deal:

The next time I'm flying my bomb-laden IL-2 online, you don't shoot me when I am in the air and helpless, and I won't shoot you when you are on the ground an helpless . . .

Oh wait, I forgot, every time I fly an IL-2 I automatically become the priority target of EVERY FREAKING ENEMY A/C!!

So, you shoot me when my pants are down, and I will shoot you when yours are down. If I have enough bombs/rockets, I will shoot you twice. If I have even more munitions, I will shoot you three or four, hey, even 15 times.

And then I will bugger off to base, hopeing, usually in vain, that someone on my team will engage the bogeys that are chasing me, thus allowing me a sliver of a chance to get home and land safely.

bombing isn't a points game. Online, it is very rare that any bomber will survive the full there and back trip in one peice. Therefore, I have to vulch you ten times to get the same amount of points you score for knocking me down once.

Don't whine when someone only does it three times.

willyvic
01-23-2004, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI-Aflak:


Oh wait, I forgot, every time I fly an IL-2 I automatically become the priority target of EVERY FREAKING ENEMY A/C!!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You bet your sweet bippy bro! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Bearcat99
01-23-2004, 10:33 PM
I dont get it...why not just respawn at another base...or find another server?

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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Helonwhls87:
If we are talking about arcade games and not console games. I think they were talking about "Space Duel". It might have went by a different name in other countries not sure about that.

Anyway does look familiar?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



yes we are talking about the exact same game

but the Playstation version is awesome , excellent graphics , good guns

its called "ASTEROIDS"

Cajun76
01-23-2004, 10:46 PM
If there are vulchers about, I like to spawn in and wait a moment, maybe start my engine. I watch them until they get lined up and start to fire. Then I just hit "refly". Wastses their ammo, and commits them to an attack pattern that might let freinds or AAA take them down. Plus, they get nothing. This is my technique for point ***** vulchers, not bomber drivers. There's a difference. I like IceFires' post on this.

Good hunting,
Cajun76

Slammin_
01-24-2004, 02:02 AM
I actually did remove the B-17 at one point because of some of what I consider abusive tactics. Granted, most of the maps I run are not well suited to allow indiscriminate vulching, hence I only allow bombers, IL-2's and Stukas the free-bombing/straifing/vulching tickets.

The abuse that I have seen though, and especially with the B-17 fighter bomber, is guys making tight circles over the enemy base until they are satisfied they've racked up enough points to go home. Add AAA? Sure, then watch the framerates plummet. I personally don't have any graphic issues with AAA since upgrading my machine, but I do remember what it's like not having enough horse power, so I try to keep that in mind when making maps.

I'll probably just re-do my maps to have more than one base to spawn from but I'd do this very reluctantly since doing so cuts down the fast pace I personally like. The ideal solution would be a B-17 complete with cockpit, so that I could turn off external view.

There are some B-17 pilots that have become extremely skilled at swinging that baby around to afford the best possible shots for those AI gunners, and we are talking in the neighborhood of 8% hit rates! Most pilots with average hit rates that high are in the Ace catagory for sure.

Solution? Dunno yet. Until there is a cockpit for the B-17 bomber/aerobic fighter/flying tank, I guess we could nicely ask a B-17 pilot to let us off the ground, or switch teams, or use take-off flaps to skadizzle wizzle out of there before he comes around again. I usually can. And after you do get airborn, guess what/who the best target on the map is?

An FW190-A9 or a 109-K4 with 108 pods is a great equalizer. The pods aren't required on the 109, but they make me feel better :-)

Oh, and rockets work really good on the fat bastards too!

Slam

Zayets
01-24-2004, 08:26 AM
You say you become a priority target when fly IL2? Hehehe,wrong , you should check the P47 as well. I remember I was once on a server and one of guys there says let's give hell on their base. Goooood! 2 Yaks said we will escort you. But , halfway the target a He111 pops outta clouds.Those Yak jockeys jumped on this guy (being killed eventually by the gunners) and leaving us avoiding the blood thirsty FW's. Needles to say , they were killed , we were killed (try to maneuver with 1000 pounds in bombs and rockets at 800-1000m with the Jug).That day I've learened that so called gentlemen of the air , you know , the ones that claim up and above they will not attack until you are gear up & stowed are the same as the vulchers. They don't attack bombers on the ground because they are afraid they might be killed by a stationary gun (even your gunner-s). As soon as they are airborne , target of prefference is a heavy one.So , my boys , make sure you're not on the ground when I lurk above your base. I was killed thousand times by the AA and I don't care , that's my job,to kick your arse while on the ground. You don't like it? Well then , get airborne ASAP.
You bunch of wussies!

Zayets out

SlickStick
01-24-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SKULLS_LZ:
The fun is in getting airborne, chasing down the vulcher and killing him. You would be amazed at how many times I've experienced this. Next time don't be a baby, don't get mad: get even!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's my way of handling it too.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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badaboom.1
01-24-2004, 09:10 AM
Anyone ever play MAELSTROM?I used to have it on my old MACINTOSH,The graphics were great for it's time,it was alot of fun compeating with other family members for high score!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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jazman777
01-24-2004, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull-Dog.:
Why do these people circle home bases waiting for stationary a/C to appear on the ground for an easy kill.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As an IL-2 flier, I know that you jump at the chance to vulch us bombers.

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SUPERAEREO
01-24-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dubbo2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CRSutton:
Yes, if I recall the screen was in color. What a great leap forward that was :-)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember it in B/W but there were about 7 different settings which changed the inertia of the ships or the gravity around the central sun.

In a way it was the first multiplayer flying shooter LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Not 100% sure it was still called Asteroids though...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the settings changed the speed too. I liked the full real settings with the drift/inertia thing set to "on" and of course the gravity of the sun set to "strong". It did come in colour too but I think it was because some of the later machines had a coloured transparent film stuck to the inside of the glass. Some Asteroids machines had it too. I can't remember what the 2 player version was called. Ah the good ol' days. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/F1000016.JPG
It only funny 'til someone loses an eye.......oops<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I remember the settings doing that! I spent hours playing it with my brother when we were kids!!!