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jttthomas
01-19-2004, 08:54 PM
why aren't there any more bombers? ie. via the addon or patches? Maybe I'm a minority but I prefer flying bombers but NOT the TB3. We need something else eg.
- JU88
- B25
- B17/B24/B29
- etc etc

more bombers..more bombers..more bombers

jttthomas
01-19-2004, 08:54 PM
why aren't there any more bombers? ie. via the addon or patches? Maybe I'm a minority but I prefer flying bombers but NOT the TB3. We need something else eg.
- JU88
- B25
- B17/B24/B29
- etc etc

more bombers..more bombers..more bombers

Future-
01-20-2004, 08:30 AM
Well, if you don't mind flying a plane from external views only, then I'm glad to tell you that you can already fly the JU88 and the B-17G bombers.

The B-25 is possibly a part of the coming pay-add-on, both as fully flyable and no-cockpit versions.

Work on the B-24 was progressing well when I last checked it, but until now it is unknown if and when the Liberator will be in the game.

From what I've heard, work on the B-29 seems to have been stopped.

I think JU88 should be fully flyable (with cockpit) in the upcoming add-on.

Work on the B-17 interiors began about 2 months ago, but I don't know if that project is still alive or not.

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US380thBG-Tug-
01-20-2004, 10:37 AM
That's a very, very good question. Well look on the..err...bright side; you'll be getting another TB-3 variant...one with which you can shuttle around I-16s. Weeee! Kinda like a mini-van. If its modeled with hamburegr helper and Tang, you can simulate being a soccer mom.

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JG26Red
01-20-2004, 10:53 AM
i wonder, can 2 othe players be pilots of that TB3 with I16s? lol

Jippo01
01-20-2004, 12:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
I think JU88 should be fully flyable (with cockpit) in the upcoming add-on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No unfortunately not, it will not be ready in time. But later then.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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carguy_
01-20-2004, 01:07 PM
It always depends on what are ya flyin`.I for example would never fly a bomber.It`s soooo f*cked up when you`re just another crew member who can`t take the matter into his own hands.
Ask how many players rather fly bombers than fighters/Jabo.1/10 of them?I think making more bombers &lt;u&gt;flyable&lt;/u&gt; is a waist of MB.Ofcourse I`d welcome more AI bombers.

And just how many are able to hit the target with such complicated targeting procedure?

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Jippo01
01-20-2004, 01:11 PM
I certainly don't agree with you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I think fighters are boring (been there, done that), and bombers on the other hand give much more flying experience and chances for variable tactics.

And I am able to hit the target which such simplified targetting system. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But of course we all are entitled for our own opinion.


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LazyNerd_
01-20-2004, 01:18 PM
I love flying bombers and would loooove to see more introduced into the game. I'm very much hoping for a B25 and BF110 to be flyable in the addon, twin engine anything is what I love !!

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p1ngu666
01-20-2004, 03:41 PM
we do need more bombers, sooner or later you will get bored of fighters and look for something new
and the bombsites arent that complex. speed and alt

bastage2003
01-20-2004, 03:48 PM
I would love to see more bombers. And it would be nice if other people could jump in your plane and run the bomb sight or guns while you fly. Its rare to see multiplayer games where people actually work together with bombers and fly tight formations.

Speco
01-20-2004, 05:35 PM
Bombers are not boring! Just because most of people don't "like" them it doesn't mean they realy aren't interesting. The best things have always reserved for the few! In this case it's bomber pilots.

Dont get me wrong I enjoy flying fighters, but one time I tryed out a bomber online and since then I fly them bouth online and offline as much as fighters. For me the best thing about bombers,especialy online, is the fact that you realy NEED the bomber pilot next to you in order to survive and that creates a sence of togetherness that is hard to establish while flying fighters (oh, and I just LOVE to wipe out some fighters while they taxi).

Great stuff, you should give it some more time before you judge it.

VW-IceFire
01-20-2004, 05:43 PM
I love my fighters but I understand what the draw towards bombers is. I would acutally have alot of fun with an intermediary like the A-20 which is also apparently in the works and hopefully will be finished in the near future.

The problem with big bombers is modeling all the stations. Thats generally too much for our independant third party modelers...unless they are in groups and thats hard to do as well. Some of those need to be done by Maddox games if we are to have them.

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Speco
01-20-2004, 06:05 PM
S~ IceFire! I wanted to mention you in my original post because you are one of the few people that actually escorts bombers, one time you even OFFERD to escort without beeing asked first and I havent seen that before or since than. Most of fighters are too oppsessed with the "Enemy aircraft destroyed" message to bother with bomber escort. They either dont bother or do a slappy job and leave the bombers afther they chase off the first enemy fighter.
You on the other hand do a great job.

S!

GerekeHei
01-20-2004, 06:38 PM
I would love for there to be a Ju88. I'd not fly another plane online :P

I have more fun in bombers as well.. Love my He-111. I've been working on mastering high level bombing with the bombsight.. But I also love treetop bombing runs. Sure, a little more vunerable to AAA but that just adds to the fun.

I think fighting and surviving in a bomber is more rewarding than in a fighter. I cant find a better feeling than having some cocky fighter jock come up on me point blank thinking he's got an easy kill.. Only to get a machine gun burst straight into his cockpit :P

Future-
01-20-2004, 08:14 PM
here is some info on bombers currently under development by third party modellers:

(Ext. = external model; Cp. = cockpit)


British:

- Avro 683 Lancaster Mk. II Ext. 95% / Cp. 50%

German:

- Ju-88 A-13 Ext. 100%, Cp. 70%

- Ju-88 A-4 Ext. 100%, Cp. 70%

- Ju-88 A-14 Ext. 100%, Cp. 70%

- Do-217 E-2 Ext. 95%, Cp. 0%

- Do-217 K-2 Ext. 95%, Cp. 0%

- Do-217 M-1 Ext. 95%, Cp. 0%

US:

- North Amer. A-36 Apache Ext. 100%, Cp. 0%

- Douglas A-20 C Havoc Ext. 90%, Cp. 90%

- Douglas A-20 G-30 Havoc Ext. 90%, Cp. 90%

- Douglas A-20 K Havoc Ext. 90%, Cp. 98%

- Boeing B-17 G Flying Fortress Cp. 10%, In FB (AI)

- Cons. B-24 J Liberator Ext. 90%, Cp. 25%

- Martin B-26 G Marauder Ext. 95%, Cp. 0%

- Douglas SBD-5 Dauntless Ext. 70%, Cp. 0%

Japan:

- Mitsubishi Ki-15-I Babs Ext. 75% / Cp. 0%


This is all I digged out of the lists, I only mentioned the more interesting nations here, and the planes that are definitely not included in the upcoming add-on, but MAY be included someday in the future.

S!

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Thud-Vols
01-20-2004, 08:36 PM
Quite a few of us out here anxiously waiting for additional Bombers.

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owlwatcher
01-20-2004, 11:38 PM
WANT BOMBERS
I agree there is a need for bombers.
It would please me at the moment to have some early B-17s.
From my playing around off line .The computer power should be good this year to run bombers.
I hope if the bombers are made that some working bomb sites and a Bulls eye for target pratice are introduced.

LEXX_Luthor
01-21-2004, 12:12 AM
FB only has room for two (2) of the following...

(1) More BOMBERS
(2) More BUG FIXES
(3) More carguy_

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Slammin_
01-21-2004, 01:10 AM
I totally enjoy being escorted by B-17's!

More bombers!

Actually, I've been creating some online mission where bombers are required, or else you will lose the match. The only problem is, those kinds of missions make less adept machines lag :-(

IL-2FB has all the elements available though. Think of a mission where you have several clusters of ground forces headed your base. Of course you could dispatch fighter bombers that are specially equipped to handle CAS, but then those very fighters are open to getting jumped by pure intercept/defense fighters, and are no good at escorting the bombers you have. The only valid option is heavy bombers, who will also need figher support.

Which leaves only AAA, to protect home base. It really is too bad that most folks' machines can't handle AAA because if they did, hosts could create some really great missions that would actually 'flow'.

As it stands now, objectives have to be the same, or very near to spawing points, and that is a very serious limitation when it comes to building missions for bombers.

I have a few in the works already and will just tune them for the next several weeks while folks upgrade.

I'll also say that until we can include proper AAA, or they get a cockpit, the B-17's are considered Taliban!

Recon_609IAP
01-21-2004, 05:47 AM
I'm in agreement.

I was hoping for bombers in the addon - but looks like none might make it.

there was talk of ju88, b25, me110 - all are not on any list I've seen though.

Personally, and don't get too mad, I am very disapointed about the addon list I saw. I enjoy flying in the online wars (forgotten skies), and these type aircraft would have been such a great addition - additions I've been hoping for.

Without them, I see no reason to purchase this addon - but will be forced too to be compatible.

S!
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KG26_Oranje
01-21-2004, 06:12 AM
More Flyable Bombers!!!!!!!

Recon say it all.
We need tham for online coops and campains, And for the Fun in the game`s , buht dont get tham.
A.I. is nice to see buht for online game`s i feel i most fly tham and controle tham.
So please Oleg wait wiht the Addon till u got more modern Flyable bombers inthere.
Boot A.I. and give us Flyable.

Greatings I/KG26_Oranje

Jettexas
01-24-2004, 07:02 PM
No bombers, no 29$,
Vote with your pocketbook.
I do, and others will.

At least ONE decent crewable Brit/US bomber would greatly enhance this game. THere are guys that enjoy flying them a great deal, Back in the CFS2 days many many squads maintained a bomber wing, and these were largely crappy add-ons with half the fidelity of the Maddox offerings,(remember the awful "alpha bombs..lol) THeres a "wanted planes" thread where every third post sez "more bombers".....ignored...again
I dont understand the emphasis on the "what if" aircraft..over "what was".... 2 months ago there was a huge buzz about the B-25, The dev updates even depict semi comlete cockpits, but then it becomes "possible" then just fades away completely time after time. Another TB-3.....(groan) makes the cut? C'mon...As the theatre has expanded westward why not include those planes that historically contributed to the destruction of German industry?
Squadrons tend to be a bit biased toward thier country of origin, so what? Is it wrong to want a bomber fromm your country of origin?
Really. it would seem as if there is some kind of hurdle here Im just not understanding.....
Where are we losing them...the modelers (time.LODS)....1C.. whats the deal here? in the LODs ? Whats the deal...honestly I want to know
after seeing the most recent "list" (admittedly no one claims its accuracy, or source) Im more than a bit dissapointed.
S!