View Full Version : "Hardcore" Flight Simmers Only Play Online? (Poll)

02-28-2004, 01:26 AM

02-28-2004, 01:26 AM

02-28-2004, 01:32 AM
Yup. In one way or another its been a great place to start it.


02-28-2004, 01:39 AM
Although I spend many an hour playing with myself, once I found others that enjoyed the same kind of thing, it has never been quit the same.

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02-28-2004, 01:44 AM
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02-28-2004, 01:47 AM
ppproblem that we in the comunity the one who post are the ones that u find online at games, the others have no internet, or they just dont care may be?

02-28-2004, 02:14 AM
Your poll disturbs me, and that is not wise...

Flying on HL as -Dolemite-

02-28-2004, 02:53 AM
True, this is going to have an online bias, but how else could I accomplish this task so easily and with few resources? Dolemite, either you are joking, or you have misunderstood my post (or perhaps you just have a weak stomach).

02-28-2004, 03:05 AM
Ya wanna dance with the Devil? Thats fine with me, just make sure you know how to tango.

Flying on HL as -Dolemite-

02-28-2004, 03:11 AM
I cannot see the point of Buying any Combat Sim that you cannot fight a Human Multiplayer opponent in.

Thats just me though.

02-28-2004, 03:46 AM
Hardcore is when you play historical scenarios using historical planesets on FR settings with speedbar.(Ultra hardcore is when you play these scenarios on FR settings)

Softcore play on medium or easy with total disregard for historical scenario's or planesets.

Hardcore or softcore doesn't have anything to do with playing on or offline.

02-28-2004, 05:20 AM
The topic statement is absoloute bollocks.

I am as Hardcore as anyone else out there when it comes to my sims, and I play mostly single player at home because I can't afford to be on the net all the time. I have a 300mb limit, that I come close to anyway. Never mind when playing online too.

Also, it depends on how you play online. The only thing that warrants the Hardcore title is a VEF or VOW sort of scenario.


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02-28-2004, 05:22 AM
I play offline just about everyday and online about twice a week. It`s a mistake in my view to solely rely on the online part of a game entirely.

You can learn a lot offline which you simply haven`t time for offline. I often find myself telling my squadmates about little things you can do with some aircraft that they have no idea of, simply cos no one`s bothered trying it online. And they can often be useful tips.



02-28-2004, 06:14 AM
I agree SeaFire. Flying online I got a bit bored of the 109 so decided to move onto the 190, and was far from succesful. I setup a mission in the QMB against some jugs and shot at them for half an hour to practice my aim, and when i went back online i started shooting people down.

02-28-2004, 06:46 AM
The thingf is that most of us, if not all of us do not consider ourselves gamers when it comes to FB. The strategy things & FPS? Sure..the label gamers applies...hardcore even...but bcause of the level of involvement in THIS thing we do.... most of us dont consider it gaming. Its MORE than gsming..... at least to me.

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02-28-2004, 06:53 AM
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02-28-2004, 08:06 AM
I play FB more than I should, but I wouldn't say i was "hardcore" about it. Sounds dumb, like its some sort of religion or something.

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02-28-2004, 08:27 AM
I have been flying almost daily since the very first days of the IL-2 original release - I do take vacations! - and I have almost never been online. I briefly tried the internet online experience and didn't like it - frankly I ran into too many rude and immature individuals who spoiled the pleasure of actually flying and fighting. However, now that I have set up a LAN network at home, I'm enjoying playing with my son, so I have nothing against multiplayer in principle - let's just say I like to keep it in the family. But I would consider myself hardcore - or, should I say, my wife would... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

02-28-2004, 09:31 AM
So far, 50% play multiplayer only or mostly multiplayer. Is that more a statement about who hangs out in the forum? Or is it an accurate reflection of the overall mix?

Since this is an "online" poll, the results reflect the former only.

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02-28-2004, 11:52 AM
It depends largely on the flight sim. In the case of IL2/FB, I play it online 90% of the time. But this is limited to IL2/FB. Up until IL2, I never played a flight sim online. The reason was because I enjoyed the campaigns and AI enough that I didn't really see a reason to go online. IL2 however had crap AI and even crappier campaigns. So I tried it online and got hooked. LOMAC I play 90% offline because it's AI doesn't suck as bad and multiplayer sucks in it.

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02-28-2004, 11:58 AM
Sorry, I knew I should have defined "hardcore" when I wrote the post as that phrase is commonly misunderstood. Gamers are divided generally into 2 camps: Casual and Hardcore. To simplify, Casual gamers treat games as a hobby and Hardcore gamers a way of life. Hardcore has nothing to do with how skilled you are a pilot or how badass you think you are (Dolemitehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). People commonly misunderstand the meaning of that word when I post, I should have been more specific.

02-28-2004, 12:42 PM
Goatman, I would agree with your definitions of Casual and Hardcore.

But I disagree that you can use online or offline flying as a dividing line. Nor can you use the settings a player chooses (the debates about padlock and icons and the lack of peripheral vision on a computer are endless).

I flew Falcon 4.0 for several years, never flew it online, and was totally "hardcore" (and addicted http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

I flew Dawn of Aces and WarBirds for several years exclusively online. And I was "hardcore."

I fly FB both online and offline and consider myself hardcore. The campaigns I've set up in DCG are far more realistic than anything online (even with the crappy AI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). Online, I only fly Coops, because I believe they are the most realistic in terms of how battles really are fought. But there are pilots who fly only DF and pilots who fly only in virtual wars who are just as "harcore" as anyone else.

But I never would make a distinction between offline and online players when defining hardcore and that's what your thread does.


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02-28-2004, 12:59 PM
The poll is pointless...

Multiplayer/onliners comprise the bulk of UBI flight sim forum membership. Period.

The 95% of all FB owners(by Oleg's own admission) who fly "solo" off line simply don't pay atention to the forums.

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02-28-2004, 01:04 PM
Hmm, well I never thought of myself as either "hardcore" or "casual" at this. In anycase:

When I first got IL2 almost 2 years ago now, I played offline, only in campaigns, boxed and the nice addon campaigns like "Four Days in the Fall". Just a couple months before FB was released, I started to try online gaming, and I had a good time with the guys there.

Hoping that the dynamic campaign would be fun, and looking to enjoy more online play, I bought preordered FB. In the year since, I've not found the dynamic campaigns to be very fun, mainly since I enjoy bombers and my He-111 missions often were centered on bombing 12 moving cars from 5500 meters up. Finding disappointment with the targets, and the AI flak gunners, I flew online in DF servers mostly until a patch or so later, when I began to lose intrest in DF servers, and then I flew FB almost none.

Today, I fly FB only on weekend nights at the VFS Coops. I never turn it on otherwise.

So, I guess I was once "hardcore" when I flew my offline campaigns constantly. Now I'm *very* casually online.

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02-28-2004, 01:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OberstWileyII:
The poll is pointless...

Multiplayer/onliners comprise the bulk of UBI flight sim forum membership. Period.

The 95% of all FB owners(by Oleg's own admission) who fly "solo" off line simply don't pay atention to the forums.


This is why I regularly post (and keep watch) on the forums. It`s just as important that guys who play only or mostly offline make there suggestions on what they would like/dislike in FB.

It is clear to me now that, at least in IL2/FB`s case, having your voice heard here can affect what happens to the program. I am passionate that just as much is done for FB offline, ie: Improving AI, Campaigns etc, as it is to improve online play.

So all you offline players don`t be afraid to SPEAK OUT to improve offline FB! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



02-28-2004, 01:28 PM
I don't believe 5% percent of those at this forum are strictly offliners. What complete nonsense!

And how much time do onliners spend offline. They don't fly campaigns and missions? Arrogent bull. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


02-28-2004, 02:10 PM
On line since IL2 Demo... 99.99%
I only use FMB off line http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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02-28-2004, 03:23 PM
You can have a love for flight sims but still not have a good internet connection or system.

Im sure there are some people more addicted to IL2 than we are, but have never set foot in an online battle or even in this forum...

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02-28-2004, 08:19 PM
on online I like to join host setup with full real

if I play VEF2 or VOW I have to stay close with my friends that for tactical reason.

but when I join DF server I play longwolf why ? coz in HL is a big sim community
people from difference place will meet here but the basic humen is individual decision plus not same time zone so it is not easy to find my good friend to join hunt http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I play fight sim for 17 years with 2 years for online and full switch is my most favor but I thing I'm not a Hardcore player , I just play what I like when I have a free time ... that so.


02-29-2004, 01:19 AM
I never played anything online until I got IL-2. I still don't play anything but IL-2/FB online.

Mostly I fly in co-ops online w/ my squad or Air Racing.