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Jayden26
03-09-2012, 02:10 AM
Hey guys, I recently watched the new AC trailer and I loved it. But then I thought if AC is going to be set in America in an early time period, why not somewhere else? Like Australia?

AC 3 takes place during the American Revolutionary war which at that time had about 3-4 million people, an AC set in Australia could take place during Federation from 1890 - 1901 which Australia had the same number of people when America became independent.

Another important point is that the American setting was chosen for its wilderness, something that we haven't seen before in a AC. Australia too has plenty of wilderness, albeit with much more unique flora and fauna.

The cities where it could take place would be Sydney and Melbourne.
Melbourne is a very clean, and beautiful Victorian city, whilst Sydney is a much more "ancient" designed city with messy roads and cramped buildings.

Sydney Architecture:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1364505

http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=102665

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/6546616

http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/18515

http://sydney.edu.au/senate/Quadrangle_places_of_interest_Clock_Tower.shtml

http://www.flickr.com/photos/flying_cloud/600793148/

Melbourne Architecture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deanmelbourne/369666554/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/80651083@N00/112986714/

http://www.aroundtheregion.com/melbourne/st-constantine-and-helen-church/

http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=774

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_Parliament_House_Melbourne.jpg

http://changyang1230.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/royal-exhibition-building.html

Thats just a taste at some of the beautiful architecture of that time. It would be perfect for climbing up and parkour.

And finally here are some images of the Federation of Australia.

http://museumvictoria.com.au/federation/

http://www1.waverley.nsw.gov.au/library/localstudies/historical/federation/rotunda.htm

http://civicsandcitizenship.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/federation-australia-unites/

http://sydney.edu.au/museums/collections/collection_federation.shtml

Please let me know what you think and should there be a AC set in "Federation Australia"?:)

tarrero
03-09-2012, 02:46 AM
I think that despite the fact of how AWESOME the frontier and those freerunning new features are, the main reason behind AC3 is the "historical value" of the setting, because lets face it, even though Washington, Franklin and others are very famous, there is A LOT of mystery sorrounding them, and that leads to many possible schemes and plots, French Revolution would have been pretty cool as well, which if you ask me, the last two games were missing badly.

Do not get me wrong, Australia is both beautiful and exotic, but it kind lacks of that historic "appealing" that American, French or Russian Revolution have.

By the way, I am Spanish, but currenlty residing in Argentina.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 03:02 AM
Thanks for your response,
Why is there no historical value in the Federation period?
Sir Henry Parkes (AKA Father of Federation) died just a few years before Federation occurred. He apparently died of pneumonia, but perhaps he was assassinated?
Not only did the Federation Period have its own style of architecture, but it had its own great voices of the day too like Sir Henry Parkes, Sir Barton, Banjo Patterson, etc.
Australia was also not that peaceful during the Federation Period either, during this time Sir Edmund Barton had to try to get all the colonies to unite which was no easy task. A story could be made around that.
Also during the Federation Period, Queensland (one of the Australian states) was effectively experiencing civil war as the unions armed themselves against government forces importing foreign labour. As a reult there were battle camps constructed with small battles and skirmishes, houses and sheds burnt down, and even naval attacks via armed ferrys.

tarrero
03-09-2012, 03:19 AM
I did not say it has no value at all, for example Spain, Spain has dozens of BEAUTIFUL medieval cities with TONS of history of wars and landmarks that even go back to the Roman Empire for instance, check Oviedo, Salamanca, Toledo, Segovia, Sevilla, Burgos, Ávila, Santiago de Compostela, Cáceres, Córdoba, etc etc etc etc

But I just dont see how you can developt a scrypt that can be, both appealing for the GENERAL non australian public and the same time not extensively overused, do you get my point???

D.I.D.
03-09-2012, 03:27 AM
I did not say it has no value at all, for example Spain, Spain has dozens of BEAUTIFUL medieval cities with TONS of history of wars and landmarks that even go back to the Roman Empire for instance, check Oviedo, Salamanca, Toledo, Segovia, Sevilla, Burgos, Ávila, Santiago de Compostela, Cáceres, Córdoba, etc etc etc etc

But I just dont see how you can developt a scrypt that can be, both appealing for the GENERAL non australian public and the same time not extensively overused, do you get my point???

I would particularly love an AC set in Spain during the centuries of Muslim rule.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 03:31 AM
I understand what you are saying. I know Spain like all of Europe has an amazing history full of unique and beautiful buildings. But all I am saying is if the series works well in a frontier-like American setting, why could it not work for an Australian one too?

All of the AC games except for the new one, has been set in the Middle East and in Europe, but your telling me having one set in Australia would overuse it??

tarrero
03-09-2012, 03:33 AM
Me too, the problem with the Reconquista, is that is pretty similar to the Crusades hehe, but overall, I think it could be a cool setting.

I did not say Australia is overused, because it is exactly the opposite, but I think that you have to find a balance , a setting that can be both appealing for the GENERAL public but at the same time not extensively done.

D.I.D.
03-09-2012, 03:36 AM
Did Australia have enough densely packed architecture to allow for the rooftop running, at a decent height? Could you leap across the street and grab the next building's ledge?

I don't think 18th century USA was chosen for its wilderness at all - I think the wilderness is just something they've given us as an extra, and it works because they've designed dense forest so we can leap from tree to tree in the branches so the gameplay is basically the same.

tarrero
03-09-2012, 03:39 AM
To me that particular period of America was chosen because of the History, and how "easy" is to write a pretty SOLID plot with schemes and sort of.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 04:10 AM
Yes it did, as I said before Sydney is an "ancient" style city. Its pretty much a sprawling mess.

http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/791839/photograph-sydney-new-south-wales-circa-1900s

http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/21072

This video tells you how narrow Sydneys streets were, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZFKkK2fw_Q

LintonMildone
03-09-2012, 04:55 AM
I would particularly love an AC set in Spain during the centuries of Muslim rule.

Actually there is, it's called Assassin's Creed Discovery for the Nintendo DS and in the game Ezio travels to the Moorish kingdom of Spain right before Muhammad the 12th was driven out by Queen Isabella's army.

Evenesque
03-09-2012, 05:29 AM
I think it would be interesting to see on the next generation. They could take us back to when Australia was being colonized for the first time, and we could travel between Britain and Australia. With a new console generation, both of those locations could be as big as this game, and the Australia side could be the wilderness half of it.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 05:38 AM
But what game would it be for?
If its for AC then there would be no point being in London and then for no reason at all start exploring the Australian wilderness. No any game of AC Australia would need to be set at a later date, anywhere from 1850 onwards.

Ultim4teSurviv4
03-09-2012, 07:06 AM
I also think they have chosen the frontier setting for its historical reference. As for an AC set in Australia I just don't see a story exciting enough or having really enough conflict for people from other countries to get into. There is the "stolen generation" that is full of conflict but this is a very touchy subject and isn't really unique considering that this type of oppression was very common during the time period.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 07:29 AM
I also think they have chosen the frontier setting for its historical reference. As for an AC set in Australia I just don't see a story exciting enough or having really enough conflict for people from other countries to get into. There is the "stolen generation" that is full of conflict but this is a very touchy subject and isn't really unique considering that this type of oppression was very common during the time period.

Australia during the federation period is historical, isn't it?

Also the Stolen Generation only had 60 thousand Aboriginal children removed from their homes, whereas everyone seems to forget the quarter of a million Australian children who were taken from their homes in the same time period?

Eziolala
03-09-2012, 07:50 AM
As an Australian, I can say I agree with the OP. I'm sure we'd all love to an AC game set in our country, wouldn't we? The country doesn't have a pretty history, but personally I find it interesting.

I must admit, I'm a bit annoyed at comments saying that non-Australians would have a hard time getting into it. A valid point, however this would be an issue for any country. It's an issue now, with AC3. Taking a look around the forum, I've seen numerous threads discussing the very same thing. I'm also quite annoyed that the history of my country, and of the people living here, has been described as "not unique."(Note: If I've taken any comments the wrong way, please tell me.)

I'm up for an AC set anywhere, as long it's interesting. In future it's possible that there may be an Assassin's Creed set in Australia, and other countries, too.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 07:57 AM
As an Australian, I can say I agree with the OP. I'm sure we'd all love to an AC game set in our country, wouldn't we? The country doesn't have a pretty history, but personally I find it interesting.

I must admit, I'm a bit annoyed at comments saying that non-Australians would have a hard time getting into it. A valid point, however this would be an issue for any country. It's an issue now, with AC3. Taking a look around the forum, I've seen numerous threads discussing the very same thing. I'm also quite annoyed that the history of my country, and of the people living here, has been described as "not unique."

I'm up for an AC set anywhere, as long it's interesting. In future it's possible that there may be an Assassin's Creed set in Australia, and other countries, too.

Thankyou, I'm glad someone else agrees with me. Half the time I was playing AC1 and AC2 I really had no idea what historically was going on, I just liked to parkour. And for those saying an Australia AC would not be unique, then you have obviously never been to Australia.

Australia is beyond perfect for an AC setting, plus since it is so big you would expect an apple of eden to be hidden out here.

Ultim4teSurviv4
03-09-2012, 07:58 AM
yes I never said it wasn't historical but as you mention many people do forget or neglect this time period. Making it of less recognition worldwide compared to the stolen generation which is more notorious. There were many children removed from their homes and it is quite a large period in time from approx 1869 to 1969 and some suspected cases in 1970. I just mention this time as it has a lot more potential to be anl AC story due to the large time frame and is a broader time period giving them plenty of room to play around. Where as the federation period seems restricted in terms of time frame and is quite specific in what happened so it doesn't leave very much to the imagination

I don't think that the history is not unique, I am just implying that there are many similar stories where natives fight for freedom etc. And because of this it is unlikely they would make it in Australia because there are very few countries that actually learn or really know anything about Australian history. And thats not to say that I know anything about the Italian stuff but I had a general idea about the Borgias and things like that from history lessons, whereas it is unlikely anyone outside Aus knows much about the place

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 08:07 AM
So just because people in other countries might not know about the Federation Period means it would be bad for a setting?
In Australia we aren't taught that much American history, but we would still play AC 3. It seems there are double standards?

Ultim4teSurviv4
03-09-2012, 08:12 AM
Yes it's true. I agree there is a double standard as I myself wouldn't mind an Australian setting. But with the US being very dominant even though we were not taught about American history everyone still has an idea about the revolution, even if it is from a movie or a TV show, people still have a vague idea compared to this federation period where many people are unaware about the details.

Eziolala
03-09-2012, 08:15 AM
Oh, okay. I can see where you're coming from.

It sucks, in all honesty, that not many people outside of Australia know about our history (compared to the history of other countries which is generally taught, even if only a bit). Though I'm sure if Ubisoft did do an AC game set in Australia they'd find a way to make it appealing to everyone.

Ultim4teSurviv4
03-09-2012, 08:19 AM
Yea I think the history of Australia is very much neglected in other countries and also the general culture as many people still believe that many Australian stereotypes are actually true.
Yea if they did make a game there would be no doubt they could make it appealing but it just depends on if they want to or not as they have many options to choose from

LightRey
03-09-2012, 12:06 PM
Speaking of settings in other countries, anyone know of any games set in the Netherlands?

TheSpectator
03-09-2012, 12:23 PM
I'm Australian. I've studied Australian history extensively and I can tell you our history, while interesting in its own right, does not have the kind of conspiracy and political intrigue, nor the interesting personalities that settings like the holy land, Italy and America in the revolutionary days possess. The Assassin's Creed franchise thrives on these core aspects and a game in Australia would not do it justice (not to mention go against everything the main plot has been working towards).

Our country is beautiful and I would welcome a new IP that makes use of this brilliant setting. I would love to go crazy in Sydney GTA style :D but an AC game in Australia would only serve as eye candy and would have no meaningful or relevant plot.

Call of Duty: Aussie Aussie Aussie Warfare :rolleyes:

D.I.D.
03-09-2012, 12:26 PM
Speaking of settings in other countries, anyone know of any games set in the Netherlands?

As if the Netherlands needs Assassin's Creed when you have this: http://www.unfinishedman.com/excalibur-the-tallest-climbing-wall-in-the-world/

[edited for an article with better photos]

TheSpectator
03-09-2012, 12:27 PM
As if the Netherlands needs Assassin's Creed when you have this: http://www.unfinishedman.com/excalibur-the-tallest-climbing-wall-in-the-world/

[edited for an article with better photos]

I have a new life goal. :)

LightRey
03-09-2012, 12:47 PM
As if the Netherlands needs Assassin's Creed when you have this: http://www.unfinishedman.com/excalibur-the-tallest-climbing-wall-in-the-world/

[edited for an article with better photos]

xDD
Kinda good we have that thing, cuz there aren't really any natural rock formations to climb. :P

Evenesque
03-09-2012, 05:49 PM
Just something to think about:

Ubisoft probably has the next AC game after AC3 already planned and sorted. AC3's been in development under our noses since AC2 and the series was driven towards it's plot and setting because of it. This may be the end of the whole, general story arc, but that doesn't mean they call it good here and stop making them. My money is that the next two AC games already have fairly detailed outlines and settings and all that's left is for us to wait until they tell us what they've come up with.

Jayden26
03-09-2012, 10:13 PM
I'm Australian. I've studied Australian history extensively and I can tell you our history, while interesting in its own right, does not have the kind of conspiracy and political intrigue, nor the interesting personalities that settings like the holy land, Italy and America in the revolutionary days possess. The Assassin's Creed franchise thrives on these core aspects and a game in Australia would not do it justice (not to mention go against everything the main plot has been working towards).

Our country is beautiful and I would welcome a new IP that makes use of this brilliant setting. I would love to go crazy in Sydney GTA style :D but an AC game in Australia would only serve as eye candy and would have no meaningful or relevant plot.

Call of Duty: Aussie Aussie Aussie Warfare :rolleyes:


I can tell quite instantly that you are not Australian.

TheSpectator
03-10-2012, 11:08 AM
I can tell quite instantly that you are not Australian.

I can tell quite instantly you can't comprehend anyone disagreeing with your views. Unfortunately I do, as do many others as your poll's results suggest.
I can't imagine why you wouldn't think I'm Australian. Is it because I don't say "G'day" mate every sentence? As a person who claims in previous comments that they hate the stereotypes about our country promoted in popular culture your dismissal of my nationality seems to promote them. Sorry dude but an Australian AC game wouldn't work with the franchises core vision. GG. :cool:

BeCk41
03-10-2012, 11:13 AM
Australia would be a pretty awesome place to set the game, then again so would England, France, Japan and Russia... and all of those places are just as amazing as Australia. But it would be a most interesting setting to consider.

De Filosoof
03-10-2012, 11:26 AM
Speaking of settings in other countries, anyone know of any games set in the Netherlands?

Remember Hitman: Contracts? hehe

LightRey
03-10-2012, 11:35 AM
Remember Hitman: Contracts? hehe
Never played it :/

Jayden26
03-10-2012, 02:53 PM
Thanks for your comment, I also have a poll open on whether or not an AC should be set there. Please go vote if you can.

BQoverlord3232
09-16-2012, 10:09 AM
Hey guys, I recently watched the new AC trailer and I loved it. But then I thought if AC is going to be set in America in an early time period, why not somewhere else? Like Australia?

AC 3 takes place during the American Revolutionary war which at that time had about 3-4 million people, an AC set in Australia could take place during Federation from 1890 - 1901 which Australia had the same number of people when America became independent.

Another important point is that the American setting was chosen for its wilderness, something that we haven't seen before in a AC. Australia too has plenty of wilderness, albeit with much more unique flora and fauna.

The cities where it could take place would be Sydney and Melbourne.
Melbourne is a very clean, and beautiful Victorian city, whilst Sydney is a much more "ancient" designed city with messy roads and cramped buildings.

Sydney Architecture:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1364505

http://dwpicture.com.au/picture.asp?picture=102665

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/6546616

http://www.dictionaryofsydney.org/item/18515

http://sydney.edu.au/senate/Quadrangle_places_of_interest_Clock_Tower.shtml

http://www.flickr.com/photos/flying_cloud/600793148/

Melbourne Architecture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deanmelbourne/369666554/

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/80651083@N00/112986714/

http://www.aroundtheregion.com/melbourne/st-constantine-and-helen-church/

http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=774

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_Parliament_House_Melbourne.jpg

http://changyang1230.blogspot.com.au/2006/05/royal-exhibition-building.html

Thats just a taste at some of the beautiful architecture of that time. It would be perfect for climbing up and parkour.

And finally here are some images of the Federation of Australia.

http://museumvictoria.com.au/federation/

http://www1.waverley.nsw.gov.au/library/localstudies/historical/federation/rotunda.htm

http://civicsandcitizenship.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/federation-australia-unites/

http://sydney.edu.au/museums/collections/collection_federation.shtml

Please let me know what you think and should there be a AC set in "Federation Australia"?:)
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I'm an Aussie myself, I would love a game set in Australia I'd like to see it go to like the Gold rush and the Eureka Stockaide as well as the Federation of Australia
But the setting I can imagine abit more is around the first fleet and the Rum Rebellion how Sydeny when from a Convict Settlement to a Flourishing City.
I can imagine a britsh soldier comes over and in between the conflicts between the aboriginal inhabitants and the britsh soldier falls in love with an aboriginal women, and they have a child named Anumbee but when he joins the Assassins he adopts the name Alister, and he chooses to where the Assassin's unifrom as well as using fire-arms, hidden blades as well as his native heritage weapons such as stone-axes, Spears, Swords and Boomarangs.
and the Story would start from when Alisters father comes over to, when Alister is Growing up to when he joins the Assassin in 1800 to the Rum Rebellion of 1808 and some conflict in the Australian Frontier and might have something to do with Govaner Macquarie
the places you can explore would be Sydeny Cove and the Australian Frontier which could reach out from around Sydeny and Penrith-Windsor way, which would have small settlements as well bush land for hunting, and of course different Aboriginal tribes. The Setting would be violent and full of famous historical people such as Governor Arthur Phillip, Captian James Cook and Mary Reibey etc

KrYpToNiC95
09-16-2012, 11:43 AM
I'm from Sydney, and I think a game in Australia would be plain boring. :S

BQoverlord3232
09-16-2012, 12:35 PM
I'm from Sydney, and I think a game in Australia would be plain boring. :S
I'm from Sydney as well, the setting sure its not a very interesting history but if you've played any of the past Assassin's Creed games I think Ubisoft can pull it off and make it Seem alot more interesting then it is

Ielgon
09-16-2012, 12:55 PM
Never played it :/

In Hitman: Contracts there's one level set in the Netherlands, not really that special (and me being dutch that means something! XD).

De Filosoof
09-16-2012, 12:56 PM
In Hitman: Contracts there's one level set in the Netherlands, not really that special (and me being dutch that means something! XD).

I thought it was pretty cool at the time, with the h.ookers and bad voice acting :p.

Ielgon
09-16-2012, 01:00 PM
I thought it was pretty cool at the time, with the h.ookers and bad voice acting :p.

The bad voice acting was amazing. XD
It's something that's fun if you're dutch but that wouldn't really interest other nationalities because it's not special at all.

Black_Widow9
09-16-2012, 10:32 PM
I'm gonna close this so please post here-
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/662609

Thanks