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The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 04:13 AM
Apparently, Clay Kaczmarek had an ancestor in America around the same time Conner lived.


Clay also had ancestors in ancient Africa, in the Roman forum and in the Far East. Of particular interest to Abstergo was his relation to the Italian House of Auditore, founded by Domenico Auditore in the early 14th century.[4] His Auditore bloodline ended with Ezio Auditore da Firenze, as Clay's next ancestor was an illegitimate child.[3] One of his ancestors was also connected with an unknown Queen Isabella, whilst another participated in the Battle of Gettysburg during the United States Civil War.

We know that there will be another puzzle like the Truth. Can it be that when Conner meets this person, Clay gets activated and controls that person? Then he can live in the America simulation, if Clay actually got into Desmond that is.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 04:14 AM
I'm assuming this Clay i keep hearing about is from the dlc. and that would be kinda cool.

Moultonborough
03-06-2012, 04:17 AM
I'm assuming this Clay i keep hearing about is from the dlc. and that would be kinda cool.

Did you play AC:R?

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 04:18 AM
Did you play AC:R?

Yes. but i can't get xbox live in any form so i can't get dlc.

sticks165
03-06-2012, 04:22 AM
Yes. but i can't get xbox live in any form so i can't get dlc.

clay is s16

Calvarok
03-06-2012, 04:22 AM
I don't think that 16 has anything to do with the secret puzzles any more, but I think he may have something to do with that glowing pattern on Desmond's arm. At the end of the DLC he said there was "someone he had to help". Meaning he wasn't actually done helping them yet. It may be that he sacrificed his consciousness to give Desmond his mark, whatever it's for, but I hope that he's somehow sharing Desmond's head.

LoveTwisted
03-06-2012, 04:22 AM
Yes. but i can't get xbox live in any form so i can't get dlc.

Clay is Subject 16

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 04:24 AM
clay is s16

I guess i missed his name then.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 04:28 AM
I'm assuming this Clay i keep hearing about is from the dlc. and that would be kinda cool.

He is Subject 16.

JumpInTheFire13
03-06-2012, 04:31 AM
Do you realize that the American Civil War was basically a century after when this game takes place?

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 04:34 AM
Do you realize that the American Civil War was basically a century after when this game takes place?

Yes, but the ancestor was there, fighting in it which stands to give the assumption that said ancestor was born there. It it possible that someone is connected. Clay could have known this and made preparations to survive through Desmond, then going to another simulation being able to talk to Desmond and controlling it. Just a possibility.

Moultonborough
03-06-2012, 04:36 AM
I guess i missed his name then.

It's never actually said within the game itself.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 04:38 AM
It's never actually said within the game itself.

Oh so it was dlc?

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 04:55 AM
Oh so it was dlc?

No, it was shown in the database, but in the main game didn't get mentioned by voice. Actually a few times it was.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 04:59 AM
No, it was shown in the database, but in the main game didn't get mentioned by voice. Actually a few times it was.

Oh i never use the database.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 05:00 AM
Oh i never use the database.

Well, yeah.

Maybe Clay could be the personal Assassin that follows Conner around, with my theory of having an Assassin follow and help Conner.

Jexx21
03-06-2012, 05:04 AM
No, that person wouldn't show up because he isn't born for a couple decades after the end of the game.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 05:05 AM
Well, yeah.

Maybe Clay could be the personal Assassin that follows Conner around, with my theory of having an Assassin follow and help Conner.

Then we could have Co-op!

:D
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JumpInTheFire13
03-06-2012, 05:07 AM
Well, yeah.

Maybe Clay could be the personal Assassin that follows Conner around, with my theory of having an Assassin follow and help Conner.
Spell it as "Conner" one more time. I dare you.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 05:07 AM
No, that person wouldn't show up because he isn't born for a couple decades after the end of the game.

What about that person's parent?

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 05:11 AM
Conner could be his brother!? there was a theory that he has a twin! Maybe Desmond and Clay's path converge once more in America, it is assumed that Clay is closer connected to Desmond, as close as distant cousins. (From the Wiki)

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 05:12 AM
Connor could be his brother!? there was a theory that he has a twin! Maybe Desmond and Clay's path converge once more in America, it is assumed that Clay is closer connected to Desmond, as close as distant cousins. (From the Wiki)

Charles Lee had twins yes. high five!

Poodle_of_Doom
03-06-2012, 05:14 AM
Do you realize that the American Civil War was basically a century after when this game takes place?

Yeah... but in the aforementioned glyph, he also mentions something about seeing someone slit another persons throught doesn't he? Perhaps he could be related to Connor in this time?

Calvarok
03-06-2012, 05:17 AM
I doubt it. If he was related to so many of the same people as Desmond, I doubt they'd think of Desmond as so special.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 05:17 AM
Charles Lee had twins yes. high five!

http://files.sharenator.com/Borat_High_Five_Red_Shirt_funny_computers-s300x300-107048-535.jpg

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 05:30 AM
http://files.sharenator.com/Borat_High_Five_Red_Shirt_funny_computers-s300x300-107048-535.jpg

YES!!! Borat!

Jexx21
03-06-2012, 05:31 AM
Connor's name is actually spelled Connor.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 05:37 AM
Connor's name is actually spelled Connor.

Who's Connor?

Conner is going to be epic, did you see that rifle kill!

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 05:38 AM
Who's Connor?

Conner is going to be epic, did you see that rifle kill!
Connor is "Conner"

JumpInTheFire13
03-06-2012, 07:05 AM
Who's Connor?

Conner is going to be epic, did you see that rifle kill!
Okay now you're just trying to piss me off haha

*EDIT* Surprised that isn't censored.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 08:23 AM
Okay now you're just trying to piss me off haha

*EDIT* Surprised that isn't censored.

Yet but-ton is.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 08:27 AM
Yet but-ton is.

Neither is ****** or Tits. f a r t is though. and c l a m and b e a v e r

sticks165
03-06-2012, 08:30 AM
Neither is ****** or Tits. f a r t is though. and c l a m and b e a v e r

and ***

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 08:32 AM
and ***

Assass-ins Creed.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 08:36 AM
Assass-ins Creed.

It'd be pretty fail to censor that word here.

Lonesoldier2012
03-06-2012, 08:41 AM
It'd be pretty fail to censor that word here.

Ikr.

LightRey
03-06-2012, 10:45 AM
I guess i missed his name then.

It's only mentioned in the encyclopedia and in TLA (ACR SP DLC).

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 11:02 AM
It's only mentioned in the encyclopedia and in TLA (ACR SP DLC).

Are you sure about that? I knew about Clay after playing ACR but not beforehand.

GeneralTrumbo
03-06-2012, 11:04 AM
Are you sure about that? I knew about Clay after playing ACR but not beforehand.
Did you learn this from the wiki?

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Did you learn this from the wiki?

No, I learned it in game. I remember being excited when I first played and Clay was there, he mentioned his name at first (without saying it), and I was hoping to find out. Then after playing the game I knew the name, and I went dark after getting ACR to avoid spoilers.

GeneralTrumbo
03-06-2012, 11:37 AM
No, I learned it in game. I remember being excited when I first played and Clay was there, he mentioned his name at first (without saying it), and I was hoping to find out. Then after playing the game I knew the name, and I went dark after getting ACR to avoid spoilers.
Sorry, I misread your post.

LightRey
03-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Are you sure about that? I knew about Clay after playing ACR but not beforehand.

Might be in his database entry. I haven't gotten around to reading that one since it was glitched at first.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 12:17 PM
Might be in his database entry. I haven't gotten around to reading that one since it was glitched at first.

I think it may have said his name as the title, although I don't remember,

ace3001
03-06-2012, 03:02 PM
Yup, his database entry has his name. It's titled "Subject 16", but his name is in it.

LightRey
03-06-2012, 03:09 PM
Yup, his database entry has his name. It's titled "Subject 16", but his name is in it.

K, then that's where it's mentioned in the main game. I do think that's the only time though.

ace3001
03-06-2012, 03:23 PM
K, then that's where it's mentioned in the main game. I do think that's the only time though.

Yup. That's all. And as that particular entry was among the few that glitched and did not appear before the proper update, most of us learned his name only when the Encyclopedia came out.

The13Doctors
03-06-2012, 03:24 PM
Okay, now, as for the original topic...