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Air-wolf23
04-08-2004, 08:17 AM
is there many in here that use the saitek x45??
and what do u thing of it..

i thing that will be next flight stick

i have ms ffb2 now!! would it be stupid to buy the x45 insted?????

Air-wolf23
04-08-2004, 08:17 AM
is there many in here that use the saitek x45??
and what do u thing of it..

i thing that will be next flight stick

i have ms ffb2 now!! would it be stupid to buy the x45 insted?????

ricardo_
04-08-2004, 08:19 AM
I've always used the x45 it is my fav. Altho I guess it depends on preferences, being left handed didn't help but I've stuck with it and with a .dat file from a website its been the business

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Bearcat99
04-08-2004, 08:28 AM
I use a MSFFB/X45/CH pedal combo that rocks. I have the best of both worlds... FFB and a highly programmable, comfortable HOTAS set up and rudder pedals. FB supports multiple sticks. I only use the X45 stick as a button bay. For flying and shooting I use the MSFFB2. You figure a CH throttle will cost you $100+ with shipping... for $80 you can get a decent throttle and a raised platform to assign those lesser used but just as imortant commands like lights,gear,drop tanks,engine start and bail out. I still have a few commands that I havent programmed into the stick but for the most part eveything you can do on a fighter in FB is programmed into my sticks. Rudder trim is the twisy handle of the FFB, prop pitch is the throttle on the FFB,...I use the mouse pan to look around till I can get TIR.

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Longjocks
04-08-2004, 08:33 AM
I've been after a new stick for a while and was going to get a TM HOTAS Cougar (as suggested by a mate the swears by it). But it comes with a AU$600 price tag, so after people's testimony of the Saitek x45 here I've been convinced to give it a try. It's a much better alternative at AU$135.

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04-08-2004, 08:55 AM
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TugZooey
04-08-2004, 09:18 AM
I'm a recent convert from Force Feedback to x45 and I love it (was a Logitech though). I use the rocker switch for rudder and it's acceptable. Takes some time to get used to (and don't forget to change your hardware settings in FB re: yaw, mine reset to all 100s).

The amount of programmable buttons is astounding.

good luck.

JarheadEd
04-08-2004, 09:27 AM
I've used the X-45 for quite a while, and it has held up well in durability and function. The set up for the XP drivers for the smart programming function took me about 3 times before I got it right, but then again I am dumber than the average rock. But,..it is easy to program,..and more functions you can shake a stick at. Just this week I bound engine 1 and 2 toggle and select all engines, and am now using assymetric power settings on my P-38. I must like to spin out of control
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aerick2
04-08-2004, 09:38 AM
I wouldn't trade my X45 for any other stick. It's damn near perfect.

essemm
04-08-2004, 09:41 AM
I have one and love it.

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Chuck_Older
04-08-2004, 10:16 AM
I can't tell what I love more: My LCD or my Saitek X-45.

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Air-wolf23
04-08-2004, 10:23 AM
is there force feedback in the x45???

adlabs6
04-08-2004, 10:29 AM
NO the X45 doesn't have any force feedback, but if there is a successor to the X45 in the future, surely it will include this feature.

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04-08-2004, 10:32 AM
MS FFB2/X45 combo. It`s heaven.

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Tully__
04-08-2004, 10:34 AM
X45 and loving it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
04-08-2004, 10:52 AM
X45+MS sidewinder pro 2

love the throttle,hate the stick http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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Air-wolf23
04-08-2004, 11:04 AM
how do u use the msffb2 and x45 together i dont understand that, u cant control 2 joystick and 1 throttle at one time.??

plz explain it to me...

and now i dont know if i want the x45 since there no ffb in it, because that is the 1 thing i love with my msffb2 is the force feedback

Tully__
04-08-2004, 09:18 PM
Put the joystick part of the X45 aside and use the FFB stick as primary control. Put the X45 throttle next to the FFB stick.

You need to do a bit of control re-assignment when you first set it up, but it allows you to utilise the huge programming flexibility of the X45 throttle button array and still have your FFB stick (and the option to use the X45 rudder rocker or the FFB twist rudder, whichever you prefer).

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steve_v
04-08-2004, 09:28 PM
X45 with CH Pro Pedals. Very happy with both.

GK.
04-08-2004, 09:28 PM
i bought the x45 because its a cheap throttle option. I would never ever use the stick that comes with the x45. I could make a better stick in my basement. The buttons look and feel like they will fall off any second and the stick lacks precision control. Its an ok stick but its not built to last. I use the CH fighterstick.

lil_labbit
04-08-2004, 09:50 PM
Saitek X45 and a Saitek cyborg evo...

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I do miss FFB (well not that much lol) at least this evo dont kick over my beer (the logitech did once)

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rmk76
04-08-2004, 09:57 PM
X45 is a great stick set for the price, but for a bit more cash there are better sticks as far as control precision goes.(sounds obvious, but just trying to help). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

LW_Icarus
04-08-2004, 09:57 PM
I use the X-45, had a cyborg 3d, and loved it, got a "good" logitech FFB and hated it, got the x45 , and after removing the pinkie trigger extension so my hand fits, I like it alot. I also recommend lubing the friction surface of the stick with a good quality grease. I use some stuff made for 1/10th scale differentials, and it works great.

I highly recommend it.

lil_labbit
04-08-2004, 10:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LW_Icarus:
I use the X-45, had a cyborg 3d, and loved it, got a "good" logitech FFB and hated it, got the x45 , and after removing the pinkie trigger extension so my hand fits, I like it alot. I also recommend lubing the friction surface of the stick with a good quality grease. I use some stuff made for 1/10th scale differentials, and it works great.

I highly recommend it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yep do lube it but dont use mineral oil - it will dissolve the plastic - use a sunflower oil or something simular http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (extra virgin olive ?) LOL that'll do... - (no kiddin here - not 'bout this).

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04-08-2004, 10:19 PM
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Air-wolf23
04-08-2004, 11:41 PM
ya well u guys say its a chep way to get a throttle, but here in denmark the x45 cost about 140 us dollers

so what do u thing now?? is it still worth it??

Bearcat99
04-08-2004, 11:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air-wolf23:
how do u use the msffb2 and x45 together i dont understand that, u cant control 2 joystick and 1 throttle at one time.??
plz explain it to me...
and now i dont know if i want the x45 since there no ffb in it, because that is the 1 thing i love with my msffb2 is the force feedback<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the FFB stick as your main flight stick. use the stick on the X45 strictly as a button bay. The stiff spring on the X45 is ideal for that. FB supports up to 4 controllers I believe. The entire X45 shows up as one controller. I have the MSFFB, X$% and CH Pro USB pedals and they run flawlessly in FB.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Put the joystick part of the X45 aside and use the FFB stick as primary control. Put the X45 throttle next to the FFB stick.

You need to do a bit of control re-assignment when you first set it up, but it allows you to utilise the huge programming flexibility of the X45 throttle button array and still have your FFB stick (and the option to use the X45 rudder rocker or the FFB twist rudder, whichever you prefer).
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That is true Tully about the expanded rudder options.. but IMO if you have an X45 since it is plugged in anyway you might as well use it if you have the 6 square inches of space on your desk... thats all it takes up. Remember..it doesnt have to be accessable to your right hand since you wont be flying with it... only the buttons are being used so you can hit a button with either hand. Why use your keyboard and go fiddling around for the right key when you can just have all your commands on your sticks. Take an hour or 2 to sit down and think about how you want to program it. Remember..you spend hours with this sim..why not take the time to get it right? Keep in mind also that..if you are using a HOTAS setup and you have throttle there are 33 key strokes...thats right 33 that you can delete from the controls section because you will be using them on your HOTAS sliders!!! 11 for power, 11 for prop pitch, and 11 for mixture if you use it. I have my mixture set on 2 buttons of my FFB stick.. and I have mixture increase and decrease..thats it. Who needs the instant keystroke to 80%? Delete all those assignments and use the keys for something else. Just by doing that you free up keyboard numbers 1-0 and a slew of other keys.... combine that with CTRL,ALT or SHIFT and you have 30 keys at your disposal that arent too complicated and you can assign them to those functions that you wouldn't have normally on a 8 button stick because you dont use it often... like drop tanks.... landing lights...etc. Actually there are more than 33 if you take into account the ones (19 commands to be exact) that are assigned to things like trim.... rudder.... delete all those and set them up in the HOTAS menu of FB. Doing that will make the whole programming of the rest of the stick much less complicated since ther will be a slew of keystrokes you can assign because you freed them up from redundant functions. If you dont have rudder pedals having the option of going twist rudder or rocker rudder is great. If I didn't have pedals I would probably use the twist for my rudder and keep my flaps on the rocker... I can do without rudder trim if I had to but it is nice for lining up those shots where youdont want to move too much..and I sometimes foul up my aim with my rudder by using too much. After you do all that set up a folder called stick profiles and drop in the Saitek and whatever other stick you have be it MSFFB2, SaitekFFB or Logitech FFB profile as well.. then go to C:\Program Files\Ubi Soft\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles\Users\doe\settings and copy that file. It contains all the key assignments you just programmed into FB.. save all that to a disk so that should your HD crash or whatever..that is one thing you wont have to worry about.. remembering all those keys you set up. IMO a two controller setup is the least anyone should have if they can, especially if yiou have a FRB stick you like that works..you just want a throttle.. why pay more for just a throttle when you can get so much more for less.. it sends the immersion level through the roof...add in pedals,TIR,a decent USB headset so you can get your comms only through the headsets and your game sounds over your speakers and you are almost there. I dont have TIR yet.. I had it and didnt feel it wasworth the expense.... (I had TIR1) but I am seriously considering getting TIR2 and using my mouse pan on the X45 for something else. BTW... you know that black button next to the orange mouse one with the rubber tip on the X45 throttle? I have that button assgned to ALT/CTRL/SHIFT in modes 1/2/3. That way I can also double up on commands to my FFB stick.... 1 is my MG trigger but CTRL+1 is MG & cannon together and I am working on redoing the whole thing, keeping the switches basically the sane but reassigning some functions to make them more effficient and easier to program. The X45 is such a versatile stick anfd for the money you spend...get a product replacement pan for 10$ or so.... and you are there.. no pots to replace after a year or two.... Even if they came out with a FFB X45 I would still use my setup (My spare FFB is in the closet brand spanking new) just for the programmability alone. It is virtually limitless.

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Bearcat99
04-08-2004, 11:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air-wolf23:
ya well u guys say its a chep way to get a throttle, but here in denmark the x45 cost about 140 us dollers

so what do u thing now?? is it still worth it??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How much is a Cougar or CH? Cant you get one on the internet at a cheaper price or would you have to pay extra?

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Tully__
04-09-2004, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
.... a thesis .....
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I said "aside" not "out of reach" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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A thesis......LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Tully__
04-09-2004, 12:16 AM
No point forcing people to scroll through it twice, it was only 2-3 posts back if they want a re-read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Air-wolf23
04-09-2004, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Air-wolf23:
ya well u guys say its a chep way to get a throttle, but here in denmark the x45 cost about 140 us dollers

so what do u thing now?? is it still worth it??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How much is a Cougar or CH? Cant you get one on the internet at a cheaper price or would you have to pay extra?


i would have to pay extra so that would not be any good! so do u thing this is way to expensive to me????
the cougar/CH cost about 555 USD

GAU-8
04-09-2004, 01:08 AM
I love my 45, but.....

be warned, not all are perfect, and this is a stick that does have issues, i am absolutely HAPPY with the feel, look, and operation of the 45, but the QUALITY,.. will go bust on you. maybe in 1 week, maybe in 1 year, but it will go. some are easy fixes... other are not so good. best solution, keep the receipt, REGISTER it at the saitek site (which by the way, the registration section of the site has been down for 6 months..odd if you ask me).. if something goes wrong SEND IT BACK.. they will REPLACE it with a new one in most cases.

this is my THIRD one in a year and a half, maybe 2 years.
each one had its own problems not associated with the others.

1st one had problems in 6 months ( throttle made aircraft spin one way only..it wasnt an AXIS problem being assigned.... something made my aircraft turn left only when throttle was applied (the stick is now my unique conversation starter shifter in my car... functional buttons mind you)

2nd one, 3 weeks, the butterfly rudder/rocker broke, trigger broke, and the "A" button broke.( i use this for "bombing duties" and prop pitch, etc etc,in conjunction with my current one)

my third one now is only a 2 months old, and its automatically rolling to the left on its own.. spiking potentiometer i guess.

i am by no means hard on my controllers, but i do use them about 40 hrs a week... still even in worst case scenarios, thats a very short time for something to start breaking down. i cant see myself getting 3 bad stick "by chance" either...

IMHO, its a decent stick with lots of personality, programabilty, accessories, and ease of usage. not bad for the money, you get stick, throttle and rudder control...for a good price... but keep your receipt, and register it JUST IN CASE..

04-09-2004, 01:22 AM
I got X45 too. And I love it. My kill ratio has raised by 50% since I changed to this compared to my old Logitech wingman extreme 3D.

It's also good at Racing sims... and motorcycle sims.. you got the gas/brake on the rudder control of the throttle

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BPLIzard
04-09-2004, 01:38 AM
Like Bearcat's set up, I use the combination of MSFB2 and X45's throttle. The number of functions you can assign to the combined controllers is just staggering.

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PinkPriest
04-09-2004, 06:26 AM
X-45 all the way. Got it for 49 Euros, and I even like the stick itself. Some buttons may be hard to reach for persons with small hands ( or really thick fingers ), so I'd say try it out in a store first. ( actually, I do that with every controller I buy, mouse, gamepad, joystick... )

NorrisMcWhirter
04-09-2004, 07:14 AM
Hi,

How does the rudder work on this ? I've had a look at some reviews and they say it has rudder control but it is not a twister. Is the rudder control analogue and, how is it implemented?

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TugZooey
04-09-2004, 07:46 AM
Rudder is on the throttle. It's a rocker switch. I usually rest my middle finger on the center and use my index and ring fingers to contol it.

SuspectSquirrel
04-09-2004, 07:52 AM
I own the set-up and love it. Wish it had force feed back though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
04-09-2004, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TugZooey:
Rudder is on the throttle. It's a rocker switch. I usually rest my middle finger on the center and use my index and ring fingers to contol it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rocker "switch" is misleading. It is an analog axis activated by a rocker. I using left hand middle & pinky fingers, but some use fore- & ring fingers.

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