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egriffin09
03-01-2012, 03:36 PM
Does anyone know how the architecture was during the American Revolution? I hope it blows be away like Florence and Venice from AC 2. I remember learning about this time period (people and events) in grade school , but I never was exposed to the architecture during that time. Since AC 3 is rumored to be set during that time with the leaked pics. Is the architecture grande and elaborate or it is just boring looking brick and wood houses mostly?

Assassin_M
03-01-2012, 03:46 PM
http://mrtripodi.pbworks.com/f/1258418958/1258418958/Lpic1.jpghttp://www.gocoffeego.com/images/history_of_coffee/1700-15.jpg

The13Doctors
03-01-2012, 03:47 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/iyejp4.jpg

LightRey
03-01-2012, 03:48 PM
Looks good. Much better than I originally expected actually.

The13Doctors
03-01-2012, 03:50 PM
Looks good. Much better than I originally expected actually.

Yeah, it turns out it wasn't just a bunch of Wooden Barn houses...

Assassin_M
03-01-2012, 03:51 PM
Looks good. Much better than I originally expected actually.
I know, I mean its just like the middle east; everyone thinks there is nothing there but camels and sand..

egriffin09
03-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Yeah, it turns out it wasn't just a bunch of Wooden Barn houses...

That's what I thought it was just barn houses and some brick homes for the rich and noble. The pics look really good though, so I'm hoping the architecture suprises me in this game. I'm excited to see how Ubisoft pulls it off. I'm from the U.S. but I can't really think of any landmarks during that time or the United States period expect of the Statue of Liberty and Licoln Memorial, but those were built after the American Revolution I think.

De Filosoof
03-01-2012, 04:02 PM
I'm sorry to say this but i think the American cities looked dull and boring at that time.
It doesn't impress me at all... It kinda looks like a town from The Netherlands but without atmosphere.

brick177
03-01-2012, 04:02 PM
haha, egriffin09. Yes, wayyyy after. Washington, DC wasn't even founded until the 1790's. New York, Philadelphia and Boston were the only major cities, but as you can see from the rendering of 1776 Manhattan posted by the13Doctors, it was still a substantial city for the time. Montreal was also a large northeast city and played a role in the revolution, I wouldn't put it past Ubisoft Montreal to add it to the story line either.

LightRey
03-01-2012, 04:04 PM
I know, I mean its just like the middle east; everyone thinks there is nothing there but camels and sand..

and pyramids ;)

Assassin_M
03-01-2012, 04:05 PM
I'm sorry to say this but i think the American cities looked dull and boring at that time.
It doesn't impress me at all... It kinda looks like a little town in The Netherlands but without atmosphere.
You are saying "boring" based on 2 drawings and a from-the-sky render ?
Interesting..

De Filosoof
03-01-2012, 04:07 PM
and pyramids ;)

Pyramids are awesome.

RzaRecta357
03-01-2012, 04:08 PM
I think it looks awesome. Better than I expected. But of course were gonna have to hear whiners all the way till Oct whining about America.

LightRey
03-01-2012, 04:09 PM
I know, I mean its just like the middle east; everyone thinks there is nothing there but camels and sand..

Everyone thinks that the Netherlands is just a flat country surrounded by dyk3s and with tulip fields, potheads and windmills everywhere.

oh, wait...

De Filosoof
03-01-2012, 04:10 PM
You are saying "boring" based on 2 drawings and a from-the-sky render ?
Interesting..

Yeah, it doesn't impress me. All the pictures that i have seen from that era just look dull to me.
I mean everybody get's hope from that pictures but not me.

De Filosoof
03-01-2012, 04:14 PM
But probably i'm wrong and it will most likely be awesome and atmospheric :).
almost every location in AC had a nice atmosphere.
I'm just saying that these pictures don't impress me.

Limed_-
03-01-2012, 04:30 PM
There won't be a galata tower or acre cathedral sized tower.

That was the best part of the game ( in ACR at least :P )

brick177
03-01-2012, 04:48 PM
For me, personally, the ridiculously tall stuctures that take forever to climb and you often fall from accidentally were just frustrating impediments to reaching some glyph or flag. Most of the gameplay has always been short climbs, free running, and melee combat. I say good riddance to long vertical climbs up minarets and cathedral spires, give me more kill and stealth strategy!

freddie_1897
03-01-2012, 06:32 PM
For me, personally, the ridiculously tall stuctures that take forever to climb and you often fall from accidentally were just frustrating impediments to reaching some glyph or flag. Most of the gameplay has always been short climbs, free running, and melee combat. I say good riddance to long vertical climbs up minarets and cathedral spires, give me more kill and stealth strategy!
personally i thought that the skyline of all of the cities so far was awesome and so i loved the tall structures, but to be honest, if you had a problem climbing huge buildings in ACR then your probably just a bit crap at the game, it was ridiculously easy to climb buildings in that game. If you mean the vatican in brotherhood then i can understand completely, but again i liked the challenge of things like that because it was very rewarding

brick177
03-01-2012, 06:38 PM
I liked the challenge of navigating interior structures of the cathedrals and whatnot. It was all the minarets that bothered me. They served no stroyline purpose and almost never had anyone on top of them. Just thought it was boring climbing up the same tower reproduced 50 times across the city just to grab a feather or a flag or something.

Mr_Shade
03-01-2012, 06:49 PM
I'm sure you guys will enjoy it ;)

De Filosoof
03-01-2012, 08:46 PM
I'm sure you guys will enjoy it ;)
have you seen some in game footage?

stingray10
03-01-2012, 08:50 PM
I fear it is going to look really boring, no exotic colours or buildings. Just a lot of bricks and wood. The buildings are probably going to be very boring *sighs*.

EnXess
03-01-2012, 08:57 PM
Wow, I'm loving the architecture actually. I'm as a whole looking forward to this game I just hope that it doesn't glorify any side that isn't the Assassins. The Americans and English had both and did both do wrongs that I feel an Assassin would never agree to (such as propaganda).

rileypoole1234
03-01-2012, 09:07 PM
I'm excited now. The GI covers, the main character, and the setting is looking better and better. I'm so excited.

brick177
03-01-2012, 10:39 PM
here's a painting of New York in 1776 to get some talking going as far as style.

http://www.art.com/asp/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=11719518&imgloc=13-1345-Z000S4QF.jpg&imgwidth=894&imgheight=671

notafanboy
03-01-2012, 10:44 PM
here's a painting of New York in 1776 to get some talking going as far as style.

http://www.art.com/asp/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=11719518&imgloc=13-1345-Z000S4QF.jpg&imgwidth=894&imgheight=671

looks pretty good actually

egriffin09
03-01-2012, 10:46 PM
here's a painting of New York in 1776 to get some talking going as far as style.

http://www.art.com/asp/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=11719518&imgloc=13-1345-Z000S4QF.jpg&imgwidth=894&imgheight=671

Architecture style looks cool. As long as there are semi-tall buliding to climb with viewpoints and not just houses everywhere, I'm good. Constantinople was a great setting, but it felt like I was climbing houses instead of buildings.

Limed_-
03-01-2012, 10:49 PM
I hope Ubisoft can capture some of the amazingly stunning ''wild west'' landscapes and canyons. How cool would it be to climb such tall rock formations? If not that, then the native american forests would be amazing too.

Edit: Something like this?
http://www.adams-gallery.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/TA_Stray_Wolf_Martin_Grelle.jpg

brick177
03-01-2012, 10:49 PM
Do a google image search for "New York 1776" and there's a few more examples. Yeah, parts of Constantinople and Rome too were awkward and or repetitive. Since this game was started after AC2 before those cities, I would hope the improvements would be building on AC2 and not the AC2 expansions.

Dieinthedark
03-01-2012, 11:26 PM
I don't think it has the potential honestly

brick177
03-01-2012, 11:31 PM
Nothing about the revolution occurred anywhere close to the southwestern US. So, no "wild west" environments.

zomgcookie
03-02-2012, 12:22 AM
Nothing about the revolution occurred anywhere close to the southwestern US. So, no "wild west" environments. Who says we are constantly fighting in the revolution... The guy is wearing cowhide boots and has a bow.....we are going to interact with cowboys/natives

D.I.D.
03-02-2012, 12:24 AM
we are going to interact with cowboys

Not in the 18th century, you won't.

brick177
03-02-2012, 12:25 AM
Well, "cowboys" didn't exist for another 100 years. So, yes, if we visit multiple time periods, then it is possible.

Limed_-
03-02-2012, 05:22 PM
Well, "cowboys" didn't exist for another 100 years. So, yes, if we visit multiple time periods, then it is possible.

Not the cowboys like everyone sees them, but the real ''cowboys'' did exist. People were farmers and owned cows, didn't they?

JumpInTheFire13
03-02-2012, 05:32 PM
here's a painting of New York in 1776 to get some talking going as far as style.

http://www.art.com/asp/View_HighZoomResPop.asp?apn=11719518&imgloc=13-1345-Z000S4QF.jpg&imgwidth=894&imgheight=671
Almost reminds me of Venice...

brick177
03-02-2012, 06:53 PM
Not the cowboys like everyone sees them, but the real ''cowboys'' did exist. People were farmers and owned cows, didn't they?

Well, yes. The picture posted suggested that it would be in the American Southwest which, except for Spanish conquistadors no one had settled yet. The colonies were limited to the east coast which is heavily forested and at times mountainous.

Saqaliba
03-03-2012, 07:17 AM
The maps of the regions of Boston and New York for those time periods are just as big as Venice. Plus, the free-run has been extended to interact with the Frontier... like climbing trees and being able to use the environment as cover... like hiding behind boulders Red Dead Redemption style. One concept art from the GI article shows Connor literally scaling a sheer rock cliff, face... which would be similar to scaling those huge towers in the previous games. It seems that there will be MORE tangibility with the environment, rather than less. It is just that the points of interaction have been extended to compensate for the fact that the towns are relatively newer and not as tall as the previous games.... but seriously... scaling a cliff-face and then doing a leap of faith into a river!

Scaling a tree and manouvering through the canopy of branches to finally air assassinates a red-coat.... sounds pretty good to me!ss

SlimeDynamiteD
03-03-2012, 07:52 AM
Everyone thinks that the Netherlands is just a flat country surrounded by dyk3s and with tulip fields, potheads and windmills everywhere.

oh, wait...

You forgot the Windmills...

Moultonborough
03-03-2012, 08:13 AM
The only thing that I dread to see is if the use the name "New York City". At that time period it was known as "New Amsterdam". That in itself could ruin the authentic feel of the game. I like the articture of both Boston and New Amsterdam at the time, especially Boston. I hope to see if they do Lexington/Concord as well and if so they they will create the buildings around the square.

SlimeDynamiteD
03-03-2012, 08:15 AM
Actually the game is taking place in 1753 and the Dutch sold 'New Amsterdam' 1664. ;)

Xenoxin
03-03-2012, 09:56 AM
I'm sorry to say this but i think the American cities looked dull and boring at that time.
It doesn't impress me at all... It kinda looks like a town from The Netherlands but without atmosphere.

It ain't that strange most of the architecture was still dutch at that time. English architecture started to appaer half-way
the 18th century.

Now I'm thinking of it, it would be great if cities would expand and some of the dutch architecture would be slowly
replaced by english architecture http://static5.cdn.ubi.com/u/ubiforums/20120113.419/images/icons/icon6.png

The13Doctors
03-03-2012, 10:08 AM
The only thing that I dread to see is if the use the name "New York City". At that time period it was known as "New Amsterdam". That in itself could ruin the authentic feel of the game. I like the articture of both Boston and New Amsterdam at the time, especially Boston. I hope to see if they do Lexington/Concord as well and if so they they will create the buildings around the square.

... Constantinople.

Moultonborough
03-03-2012, 10:10 AM
Actually the game is taking place in 1753 and the Dutch sold 'New Amsterdam' 1664. ;)

Alright you got me:rolleyes:. But still it wasn't New York City but rather switched around "City Of New York". Still annoyed if they get it incorrect.

LightRey
03-03-2012, 11:22 AM
... Constantinople.

Ah, but that wasn't an official name change. Constantinople wasn't officially renamed to Istanbul until the Turkish Republic was formed.

brick177
03-04-2012, 05:24 PM
I saw this on the AC facebook page. :)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431197_3318028639031_1517720438_32921124_812707124 _n.jpg

LightRey
03-04-2012, 05:32 PM
I saw this on the AC facebook page. :)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431197_3318028639031_1517720438_32921124_812707124 _n.jpg

That must mean that it can be considered an official release. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lgoXUzIwXk0

playassassins1
03-04-2012, 05:33 PM
That Image looks cool. Pretty Decent buildings. Not like Italy or Turkey, but still Ok.

Jexx21
03-04-2012, 06:05 PM
That Image looks cool. Pretty Decent buildings. Not like Italy or Turkey, but still Ok.

but did Italy or Turkey have huge-*** mountains and trees to climb? Could Ezio interact with the natural environment?

Nope.

dex3108BL
03-04-2012, 07:50 PM
This is not really architecture it is more urbanistic view of situation :D

Many people are asking how will they jump on buildings because in that period cities were small and with not so many buildings.

This is map of Boston from 1722.
http://www.doak.ws/1722MapOfBostonJohnBonner.jpg


And this is from 1775.
http://www.t3consortium.com/research/images/knox/Map_Boston_1775_lg.jpg

As you can see there is enough city blocks for free running.

Also this is map of New York from 1776.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/NYC1776.jpg


And for your orientation in size this is fort at the end of island shaped like star.



http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/national_parks/stan95.jpg

So in my opinion there is plenty space for free running and cities were not that much undeveloped as many of players are thinking :D

rileypoole1234
03-04-2012, 07:57 PM
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/431197_3318028639031_1517720438_32921124_812707124 _n.jpg

Wow that is an awesome looking picture. That actually looks amazing. Reminds me of Pirates of the Caribbean when Jack first enters Port Royale. The atmosphere looks amazing.

fox_634
03-04-2012, 08:03 PM
I agree that the old maps of NY and Boston look awesome however they do look a bit small. I dont hope that these towns are going to have the size of Firenze. I hope they are not going to focus themselves on The Frontier because it sure looks like that.

freddie_1897
03-04-2012, 08:19 PM
I agree that the old maps of NY and Boston look awesome however they do look a bit small. I dont hope that these towns are going to have the size of Firenze. I hope they are not going to focus themselves on The Frontier because it sure looks like that.
You realise Concord and Lexington are visitable towns in the Frontier? There might even be more. And they might announce if there are more cities you can visit like Philadelphia.

fox_634
03-04-2012, 09:17 PM
Yes i do realise that but how big are Concord and Lexington? Do they have the size of a place like Forli or are they big? Because I dont know nothing about the revolution.

Moultonborough
03-04-2012, 09:21 PM
They are small towns. They will probably make them the size of Flori and San Gimano(sp?).

brick177
03-04-2012, 09:46 PM
Boston and the surrounding towns and forts. The city of Boston on the peninsula fits within a 1.5 mile square it looks like based on this scale. For reference, the portion of Florence in AC2 that we had fits within a 1.5 mile square.

http://home.comcast.net/~fredra/SeigeBoston.jpg

brick177
03-04-2012, 10:18 PM
Here's Boston from the HBO mini series John Adams:

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/Matte/JohnAdams/images/JA_235_03_MP.jpg

Philadelphia:

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/Matte/JohnAdams/images/JA_440_01MP.jpg

fox_634
03-04-2012, 11:23 PM
Philadelphia looks awesome, just like a Dutch town. So no 80 year old war in The Republic for me bur this at least gives the serie's a little dutch flavour :).

brick177
03-04-2012, 11:50 PM
Philadelphia looks awesome, just like a Dutch town. So no 80 year old war in The Republic for me bur this at least gives the serie's a little dutch flavour :).

The area was settled by the Dutch, so I'm sure there's a Dutch influence! :)

fox_634
03-04-2012, 11:52 PM
I thought only New Amsterdam. Damm i really don't know anything about the US history. Manly because I'm not interested in the US. I'll have to now if I want to understand the game better :).

brick177
03-04-2012, 11:55 PM
In the US we can't even really talk about our history without talking about all the immigrations, everything here was influenced by people from so many different places. Even today, we still refer to the "Pennsylvania Dutch" when we talk about the heritage of certain architecture and furniture making in the region.

GeneralTrumbo
03-04-2012, 11:59 PM
I thought only New Amsterdam. Damm i really don't know anything about the US history. Manly because I'm not interested in the US. I'll have to now if I want to understand the game better :).
Consider it a good history lesson. =) It wasn't all fine and dandy back then. This was kind of a war for our independence. We will most likely see the Declaration of Independence signed. xP

D.I.D.
03-05-2012, 12:03 AM
All of this just reminded me of a TED talk by Eric Sanderson from a few years ago.

It's a bit long, but worth a watch if you're curious. It's mostly about the natural history of the area prior to the development by humans, but it does include bits and pieces about the stages of urbanisation of New York, including some 18th century maps and architecture:


http://youtu.be/3z1cCT2NP4k

Jexx21
03-05-2012, 12:14 AM
In the US we can't even really talk about our history without talking about all the immigrations, everything here was influenced by people from so many different places. Even today, we still refer to the "Pennsylvania Dutch" when we talk about the heritage of certain architecture and furniture making in the region.


..Do I know you?

I live in southeastern Pennsylvania.

brick177
03-05-2012, 12:26 AM
..Do I know you?

I live in southeastern Pennsylvania.

lol, probably not. I've only lived in New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, and North Carolina. Currently in Charlotte, NC.

Thanks for the post DoubleClick, that was really interesting!