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Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 10:26 AM
il-2 a flight sim started out on the eastern front with germany and russia, now theyve done a game called pacific fighters. the same could be done with SHIII. move the theatre. make it so that we can see what sub warfare was like in the war with japan. im not one of those "why german u-boats?" kinda guys, but i think it would be a nice change. i had a grand father who served as a SeaBee in the pacfic, so getting to be at least in the ocean he served in would be great. i think for me the war with germany has always been more interesting, but the more i read about the war with japan the more i start realizing the war in the pacifc was just as interesting.
so dev team, if your listening i think this would and should be the next step after SHIII, possibly as an add-on/gold addition,whatever you want to call it. a destroyer command 2 would be ok, but i think most everyone playing SHIII are big sub fans, so it would only be right to let them have subs again.
some of you "u-boat only" nuts may not like the idea of using less advanced submarines in the pacfic, but think of the challenge. i thought i read a post somewhere hear about U.S subs not being able to dive as deep as german subs, thats challenging enough isnt it?
the only other thing i could think of as add-ons for SHIII would be to let people play other nations subs like russian, italian, and british subs. two ideas for missions that come to mind are the birtish in those tiny subs trying to damage the tirptiz in norway and a russian sub firing at tirpitz as shes heading out to attack convoy PQ17. but it seems like allied sub action in the atlantic might not be worth messing with. so again i think bringing silent hunter back to its roots would be nice.
anyone else argree or disagree?

Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 10:26 AM
il-2 a flight sim started out on the eastern front with germany and russia, now theyve done a game called pacific fighters. the same could be done with SHIII. move the theatre. make it so that we can see what sub warfare was like in the war with japan. im not one of those "why german u-boats?" kinda guys, but i think it would be a nice change. i had a grand father who served as a SeaBee in the pacfic, so getting to be at least in the ocean he served in would be great. i think for me the war with germany has always been more interesting, but the more i read about the war with japan the more i start realizing the war in the pacifc was just as interesting.
so dev team, if your listening i think this would and should be the next step after SHIII, possibly as an add-on/gold addition,whatever you want to call it. a destroyer command 2 would be ok, but i think most everyone playing SHIII are big sub fans, so it would only be right to let them have subs again.
some of you "u-boat only" nuts may not like the idea of using less advanced submarines in the pacfic, but think of the challenge. i thought i read a post somewhere hear about U.S subs not being able to dive as deep as german subs, thats challenging enough isnt it?
the only other thing i could think of as add-ons for SHIII would be to let people play other nations subs like russian, italian, and british subs. two ideas for missions that come to mind are the birtish in those tiny subs trying to damage the tirptiz in norway and a russian sub firing at tirpitz as shes heading out to attack convoy PQ17. but it seems like allied sub action in the atlantic might not be worth messing with. so again i think bringing silent hunter back to its roots would be nice.
anyone else argree or disagree?

Gerd_Schopfel
09-13-2004, 10:31 AM
No it would not be nice! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Pacific theater doesn't come close to the action that took place in the Graveyard of the Atlantic. There is no better altenative to the U-boats when it comes to submarine warfare.

lonewulf44
09-13-2004, 10:36 AM
I have to agree with Gerd_S, but at the same time, I would more like to see a SHIV that simply gives you the option of playing for any country, and going anywhere on the globe. Pacific is simply one of those choices.

Long Live Prussia!

Xanthippus
09-13-2004, 10:41 AM
Instead of moving the theatre maybe the next big submarine could try and model it all? or maybe have SH3 expansion pack combine with the original so that you have a global campaign, including American, German and Japanese submarines. Big project, but done in two stages should be quite possible.

Might well include missions where you have to do a 'supply' run from German to Japan, should suit the explorers of you out there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 11:01 AM
thats what i was thinking. an add-on at least. the game engine is already in place just do a Pacific Aces thing. i thought i read somewhere on this forum that the dev team mentioned a pacific map. ok, so they may not have pearl harbour and tokyos harbours detailed, but this could easily be done by the dev team for a "gold edition" of SHIII. enough ships got sunk in the pacific to make SHI so what has changed?

lobosrul
09-13-2004, 11:12 AM
UBI:

Id pay a reasonable amount of money for a well done Pacific expansion pack. 20 bucks I guess.

Silent Service 2 was my first sub sim.I miss the 10 tubes of the Gatos!

GertFroebe
09-13-2004, 11:15 AM
I am not interested on an Pacific-SH3.

"Gute Leute muss man eben haben... gute Leute!"

Gerd_Schopfel
09-13-2004, 11:51 AM
I'm also not interested in an expansion pack for SHIII (if there would ever be one) to include the Pacific theater.
There is so much that can be done in the Atlantic...build up on that.

hauitsme
09-13-2004, 01:17 PM
Apparently everyone can read. You seem able to 'understand' each other, but you can't seem to 'understand' anything the DevTeam has stated months ago. Does it need repeated to you? Have you even seen? 'If' SH3 becomes a financial success, NEXT they will work on DC2, 'perhaps' in the future they will try to do an Pacific Theatre Sub-Sim(just thinking about it). Have any of you seen what has been done with SH2 with the PA expansion pack(and all the other mods)?
Why DC2 next? Think about it. Fighting against a human opponent, NOT a vastly inferior computer AI(no matter how good, it never is anywhere near as good as a 'real' human opponent). Ability to be the Allied force against the dreaded wolfpacks(human or AI). The 'convoys must get through!'.
Also perhaps you should start reading some history books about the Pacific War and what went on there. It was a TOTALLY different kind of war, against a different enemy.

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Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 01:23 PM
sorry. ive only been apart of his community for a week. i guess i missed it while going back through all the posts. so the dev team is going to do a DC2, wow. will it involve the pacfic and atlantic?
ive read a little on the pacific aces forum @ subsim.com, but it seemed like a bunch of folks were having problems running it smoothly.

hauitsme
09-13-2004, 01:35 PM
Nothing personal, sorry if it seemed that way! It's just that people ask 'Why not this?' and 'Will this be included?' type of questions when the answers have already been posted.

Read these:Silent Hunter III FAQ (http://207.44.164.159/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=23215) and SH3 Main Site - Q&A 1&2/Live Chat 1&2 (http://www.silent-hunteriii.com/uk/home.php#top).

Quite a lot of others are throughout the posts here also on other than the front page. LOTS of reading to do, but I'm sure it will be worth it!!

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SailorSteve
09-13-2004, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerd_Schopfel:
No it would not be nice! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Pacific theater doesn't come close to the action that took place in the Graveyard of the Atlantic. There is no better altenative to the U-boats when it comes to submarine warfare.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, it would be nice! I get the feeling that this argument isn't really about the action, or which war is more exciting or more dangerous, it's really about what interests YOU (and ME)! You're not turned on by the Pacific sub war; some of us are. Of course as an American I'm biased, but so are we all; some of us grew up reading about Gunter Prien and Erich Topp, others of us grew up reading about Mush Morton and Richard O'Kane, and that's the real difference-not whether one is really a better theater for action.

And who says American fleet boats weren't as advanced? We had showers and ice cream (and laundry washers)! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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Shan_Hackett
09-13-2004, 09:42 PM
While German U-Boats didn't have "factory Fitted" showers, some enterprising crews installed a make-shift shower/bath.
At the back of the diesel room one could remove the floorboards and into the space build a bath, just big enough for one to sit in and also have a hand held hose with a shower nossle.
Warm water was supplied by the diesels cooling system.

Paximus14
09-14-2004, 12:20 AM
The human controlled destroyers vs. the human controlled submarines can be done in a SH3 expansion pack, as well as a pacific theatre, full u-boat interiors (if not included in the initial release), and many other new features that would build SH3 up. I would take this over buying DC2, and so would many other people who feel that the original DC just didn't catch on or didn't interest them. If you feel this way please make it known to the devteam by either voting on my topic titled "The Future of SH3" or by other means.

zaza-mushi
10-14-2004, 11:38 AM
I dont know detail about this game.
Can we go to pacific in SH3?
Because, in ww2 some u-boat come to japan base
for repairing. Some u-boat had serviced in Indian ocean,using Penan island base(in Malay).
And some u-boat had presented to Jpanese Imperial Navy by German.
I just want know about this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jose.MaC
10-14-2004, 02:55 PM
Monsun ships, of course.
Here you can find info, http://uboat.net/ops/monsun.htm

Ah! Short ago, I saw a semidocumentary film, about a histori wich take part late on war (actually, during the lasts few weeks for Germany): seems Hitler sent a special sub with a load of Uranium, some drawings and pieces of V-1 and V-2, etc. Acording with the film, this sub ended in USA. Read also something about a nuclear program in Japan during WWII, in a Scientific American of 2000 or 1999 but seemed too confuse.

Could you imagine shooting the very first nuclear missile from a sub? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Horrible!

By the way, nice touch to choose the name of an aquatic insect larvae. Do you recomend to eat any recipe with zaza-mushi? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HeibgesU999
10-14-2004, 05:34 PM
Although I had 2 uncles who were in the u.s. submarine service at the end of WWII (neither saw any action).

The IJN didn't use their submarines very effectively, and they really didn't consider the us navy subs to be that large a threat until it was far too late.

I'm afraid to make a game out of it, you would have to make the IJN ASW much more effective than they actually were. Getting below 300ft and knowing you are safe is pretty anticlimactic.

macker33
10-14-2004, 08:45 PM
It would be easy to make a pacific silent hunter game,
something with palm trees and hula girls would be great.T-shirts and sun glasses sure would make a nice change from icebergs and dark skies.

bertgang
10-15-2004, 05:00 AM
I'm not against an US pacific theather, or to sail as a british, dutch, french, italian or japanese submariner; each side offers interesting and diversified virtual experiences.
If german boats were the best, ruling less perfomant ones could only be more challenging (a sort of increased difficulty level)

Anyway, I don't ask that from SHIII; I can wait for new releases, expansion disks and mods.

Less interest for DCII, as I don't like playing online.
Maybe it's really amusing, the human brain is (usually) less predictable than AI, but this kind of game has a weak point.
You need an online meeting with your opponent, and you have to fight within a time limit; not exactly the typical surprise attack of U-boats.

Philipscdrw
10-15-2004, 11:30 AM
If the Pacific could be provided as a SH3 addon, extending the map around the world (if it isn't already) and adding one or two each of American and Japanese subs, and adding ships and aircraft from the PTO, and extending the dynamic campaign to encompass the theatre, and recording American and Japanese voices for the new vessels, and de-bugging it, and releasing it, and advertising it and selling enough copies to make a profit...

Sounds worthwhile, but not at the expense of DC2.

hauitsme
10-15-2004, 12:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>At E3 the SHIII team told Neal that if SHIII is a success they want to make a new Destroyer Command II. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>At E3 the SHIII team told Neal that they are serious about continuing the franchise with a Pacific version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So both will most likely be done by the DevTeam, DC2 for the 'Allied perspective', and an 'Pacific Theatre Of Operation' version.

E.Thang
10-15-2004, 06:14 PM
While I agree with you guys that the Atlantic Theatre encompassed a lot more action, you guys are to quick to dismiss the American Campaign in the Pacific. The original Silent Hunter was in the Pacific and it is one of the best games I have ever played. I'd love to see a SH4 Pacific Campaign. American subs saw plenty of action off off the Japanese mainland and around Leyte, and the Mariania's (don't think I spelt that right!) I'd love to get back off of Honshu and hunt down some flat tops, or the Yamato. Also the terrian is a lot more interesting in the Pacific, there are a million Islands, sounds, straights est. It covered from Austraila, The Yellow sea, New Zealand all the way out to Pearl and Midway back to the norhtern reaches of the Jap mainland. The Americans also had a wide array of sub types to use. P-class, Barracuda Class, T-Class, Tench, Balao and a few more. It was a very interesting war. The Germans always get all the attention but the Americans fought just as hard. The sub force accounted for 1.5% of American Navy personal, and close to 55% of all enemy shipping sunk! USS Archerfish, sunk the largest warship ever sunk by a sub, USS Lionfish is credited with sinking enemy I-boats (jap subs). The Japanese I-58 sunk the USS Indianapolis after it had dropped of the h-bombs for the Enola Gay. Imagine if it had torpedoed and sunk Indianapolis on the way to dropping them off, instead of after dropping them off! You guys don't give the Americans enough credit! I'd be first in line to buy SH4 Pacific Theater. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TASKFORCE1x1
10-15-2004, 06:24 PM
Call me a collector, ( I wont mind http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) But if its a sub or warship game I will buy it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

macker33
10-15-2004, 10:03 PM
This would be the ideal way for things to work out for me?
6months after sh111 gets released we get destroyer command 2 in which we get to command axis destroyers,japanese destroyers for the pacific campaign and german and italian destroyers for the atlantic campaign.
6 months after that shIV pacific campaigns.

hauitsme
10-15-2004, 11:15 PM
Macker33, perhaps you have things a 'little' mixed up I think.

DC2 will be about the 'Allied', not 'Axis' destroyers, since they'll be trying to sink all of us u-boats, but it would be great if they include them too, since they'll need them for the Pacific version anyway. But for the PTO, it will be 'Axis' destroyers against Allied subs (us again). The Axis really didn't have much of a Navy in the Atlantic compared to the Allies anyway. The 'real' naval war was in the PTO. Hopefully (my wish/dream), we'll be able to use ships or subs from any/all of the games interchangably between them. Perhaps even include a few 'heavies' in the mix too! Add in 'flyable' A/C and we'll have us a WAR!!
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zaza-mushi
10-16-2004, 04:15 AM
So in SH3, without add on ,mod and etc, we cant go pacific?
That means, is there no data of pacific map in SH3?
If there is no data of pacific maps, where can we go? Only Atrantic? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Expolding Monkey
10-16-2004, 06:07 PM
A Pacific add-on would be hella cool for sure, but I have a feeling we won't see any expansions like that. I expect to see the kind of add-ons that the original SH had (the tour disks) as (hopefully) free additions to the base game. Then the expansion packs will come with more ships, aircraft, single missions, ect...

Somebody's bound to try and mod it though. Here's to hoping...

macker33
10-16-2004, 06:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hauitsme:
And 6 months is a little optimistic, isn't it?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hauitsme/sign-optimist.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was born an optimist,6 months is ok,most of the work will already have been done for SHIV,a few bases and a few ships,a new GUI and a new campaign.
As for dc2 i would still rather axis destroyers,
its something gamers havent seen yet and its
no harm becoming familar with a new subject.

Farkitt_
10-16-2004, 09:06 PM
Sorry macker, but balls to that.

I want my Royal Navy Tin can and I want it now.

I actually really enjoy playing DC, it's good once ya get into it.

I think it would be good to have the Allied DC2, then have Expansion packs with British/American Subs for SHIII, and German Destroyers for DC2.

You know it makes sense

macker33
10-17-2004, 10:00 PM
Nah,i would much rather a japanese destroyer.
For one its a change of scenery and two the japanese had the best destroyers of WWII,with the exception of some american destroyers.
Add to that japanese destroyers were involved in some pretty big engagements.

E.Thang
10-20-2004, 07:50 AM
Nothing beats a fletcher or gearing class destroyer. They were the back bone of the US Navy. Doing everything from hunting down U-boats in the Atlantic, to protecting American Carrier and Battle groups in the Pacific.
They played a pivitol role in the Battle of Leyte gulf. One destroyer, (I can't recall the name at the moment) charged head on into the Japanese fleet as a delaying action so The Amercain fleet could pull back and regroup.
If anyone is interested there is a PT Boat sim coming out soon, called knights of the sea, you'd have to do a google search, it looks pretty cool!

Although I'm like Taskforce, Any game that has to do with WWII naval combat, I'm there! I guess living within 30 minutes of the largest collection of Naval Ships on the planet has infected me over the last 20 years. (I'd post some pics, but I don't know how!)

macker33
10-21-2004, 07:25 AM
The fletcher was supposidly the best destoryer of the war but we already got to go fletcher class destroyers in Destroyer command.

I plan to get Knights of the sea when that comes out as well,its from the same people who made the il2 sturmovik series.

hauitsme
10-21-2004, 08:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>..its from the same people who made the il2 sturmovik series.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
SH3 is from the the same people as IL2(Ubi).
PT BOATS (http://www.pt-boats.net):Knights of the Sea is from Akella (http://www.akella.com/newslast-en.shtml).

macker33
10-25-2004, 08:23 AM
I thought all along it was maddox games that were making knights of the sea.