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LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 07:41 AM
Since 4.02 I spend more time fighting with my plane than fighting.
Tho Im enjoying the NWE campaign as far as the missions go (RAF Spits)but I spend so much time trimming, trying to make the most miniscule of corrections(anything more than miniscule results in "the wobble")than actually flying I have my trim sens. set to 2 point increments yet I still spend 50-60k just trying to get it right.
Ground attacking has become fearful endeavour as the slightest correction can send you just about anywhere but where you wanna be.
I have tried using minimal sens. on my X-52 in my settings, increased my deadspot a little(have a later X-52 without the nastieness) turned up filtering(as per Ivans suggestion)
I understand this is a "Sim" but c'mon 1% change in throttle results in 10-15km of adjusting the trim again?? only to feel like the tiniest adjustment throws the plane all over.

I wanna fight the enemy not fight with my plane

Rant Over

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 07:41 AM
Since 4.02 I spend more time fighting with my plane than fighting.
Tho Im enjoying the NWE campaign as far as the missions go (RAF Spits)but I spend so much time trimming, trying to make the most miniscule of corrections(anything more than miniscule results in "the wobble")than actually flying I have my trim sens. set to 2 point increments yet I still spend 50-60k just trying to get it right.
Ground attacking has become fearful endeavour as the slightest correction can send you just about anywhere but where you wanna be.
I have tried using minimal sens. on my X-52 in my settings, increased my deadspot a little(have a later X-52 without the nastieness) turned up filtering(as per Ivans suggestion)
I understand this is a "Sim" but c'mon 1% change in throttle results in 10-15km of adjusting the trim again?? only to feel like the tiniest adjustment throws the plane all over.

I wanna fight the enemy not fight with my plane

Rant Over

TooCooL34
11-03-2005, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:
I wanna fight the enemy not fight with my plane
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
But that's one of the most important part in ww2 flight sim. And I find trimmming in 4.02 is easier and correct over 4.01.

I see you got X-52..hmm.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

vanjast
11-03-2005, 07:52 AM
Funny I don't have your problem. I fly with zero filters and no dead spots and my planes are rock steady.
You might find you're over correcting with the new FM. If you get the 'wobbles' centralise everything for a second or so. now one has to let the plane fly itself and only interfere with the controls when you really have too... we getting closer to real life..
Anothe thing ...RELAX.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 08:09 AM
I will use this as an example:

44 Spit loaded with 1000Lbs of bombs 1x500 2x 250
sqaudron leader is moving along at 280-290Km so thats about 50-52% throttle to maintain that speed fine so Im gonna hev to use some nose up trim. BUT even at 80% thottle Im still needing nose up trim?
okay maybe its the loadout but the 4.01FM would push the nose up at that kind throttle would it not?
So fine Im back at 50-52% throttle the slightest trimming results in HUGE changes

1RY=0 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 16 29 39 0

I mean cmon cant really make it much less sensitive than that can I?
do I filter my trim as well?
I mean this is just about the trim Im not even on about the small inputs resulting in HUGE changes of direction

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 0 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 1 4 9 16 25 34 46 62 81 100 20
1Y=0 1 4 9 16 26 40 54 66 81 100 20
1Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 16 29 39 0
1RZ=0 0 5 12 22 34 45 58 71 81 100 20
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0

neural_dream
11-03-2005, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vanjast:
Another thing ...RELAX.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ditto. Not that it works http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 08:30 AM
LOL relaxing is the 100km of straight and level flying to the target....well it used to be....

neural_dream
11-03-2005, 08:41 AM
I started a new thread for us sufferers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6731094373

vanjast
11-03-2005, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:

[rts_joystick]
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 0 100
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This looks like a glitch...
Also maybe your trim pots are potted. Try assigning another pot to elevator trim ??
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stathem
11-03-2005, 11:34 AM
Well I'm confused. I don't know if I have the wobbles or not. I switched to an X-52 from a worn-out logitech midway throu' 4.01 but with both sticks 4.01 felt like pulling my teeth out wiht rusty pliers in anything but a 109.

So 4.02 seems a great improvement. Lining up a shot is still difficult but quicker now. Compared with the Logitech the X-52 rudder is too stiff and the travel too short. Conversly, the stick operation is much slacker and the throw is very long.

Anyhoo, I tried F19_Ob's suggestion for filters. Here are my settings. If you try them can you let me know how you go on 'cos I don't know if I'm suffering or not. It feels OK, so IO guess thats good.

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 73 76 79 83 87 90 94 97 99 100 0
1Y=0 80 83 85 88 91 94 96 98 99 100 20
1RZ=0 58 62 66 70 74 77 81 85 89 92 90
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX=0 68 70 74 78 86 94 99 100 100 100 5
1RY=0 78 81 84 89 92 95 98 100 100 100 5

The X-52 settings are on the 1X,1Y etc. If you're having probs. with Trim, check out the 1RX,1RY with filter. They're a big improvement.

These are optimised for Spit and P-51. P-38 and P-47 are still a bit unstable in the yaw. I may play about with the new settings specifically for those 2.

Kuna15
11-03-2005, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TooCooL34:
I see you got X-52..hmm.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that you have hit the head of the nail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vanjast:
Another thing ...RELAX.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
ditto. Not that it works http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vanjast:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:

[rts_joystick]
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 0 100
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This looks like a glitch...
Also maybe your trim pots are potted. Try assigning another pot to elevator trim ??
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL X-52 has NO pots its all optical http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, yes the trim wheels are pots but of my choice of 2 neither responds better than the other but I used to use the thumb wheel but now with 4.02m it is FAR too stiff to make any usful adjustments and the large one on top I have now resorted to 2 fingering it to make Micro-Adjustments

and the Z axis is my throttle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

@ stathem:

see now for me those seem HUGELY agressive but I will give them a try(cant hurt at this point) my
RY axis is my trim(used to use the thumbwheel but too stiff to adjust now in 4.02) and as you can see I have it set to VERY small increments I have since added some filtering to it and its a bit better but still hard to find the "sweet spot".
Will let you know how they feel

stathem
11-03-2005, 12:02 PM
Yep, I guess they are aggressive but it's tied up with my learning to fly wiht the much shorter travel Logitech, so I want to control the plane with only small movements of the stick, and I want a fast response when i need it. The very high filter on the rudder made the best improvement.

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 12:05 PM
well Im inputting your settings via IL2 Manager now(yes I could just paste yours but some stuff is fine(throttle) and our pitch/trims are reversed.
Oh and BTW which is your elevator trim I use my other wheel for prop pitch(tho since 4.02 the use of Aileron trim make become necessary.

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 12:52 PM
I'll admit I was very skeptical of your settings stathem, but Wow what a difference! I think my wobbles are cure. I may back off your curve a bit but a huge improvement to say the least, even the trim seems manageable TY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stathem
11-03-2005, 12:59 PM
Np, I really pleased they helped. It puts my mind at rest about my settings too, so thank you.

I wonder if we'll ever get to the bottom of all this.

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 01:16 PM
Well it seems by taking the "play" outta of the sensitivity it takes away the agressiveness of inputs which I had in spades using Oleg's settings which where very small so I think then when you did make something more than a minor input it would translate to major on and induce the darting /wobbling we have been experiencing.

Woof603
11-03-2005, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:

Tho Im enjoying the NWE campaign as far as the missions go (RAF Spits)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please excuse me for going O/T with your thread, but where can I find this NWE campaign?
Thanks.

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 02:14 PM
NP see thread HERE (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3961074373)

motlee2
11-03-2005, 02:30 PM
Hi there Instigator,
As far as I'm concerned,I gave up on the 4.02 patch and will not bother with that game. In my estimation it is ****,and will not buy BOB, if it reacts like this one.It makes it less fun and becomes too over done.I'm sure lots of block heads will disagree.Face it,If their not block heads they are comp nurd,and thats not why I play.
I play for the comradship,skill and competition, to learn how it was done.Through cooperation and skill,useing tackticks as history has shown.I'm sorry to say,with all the puck cheats,and poor game playing,as well as the so called fantastic mod,I now play less and less.I guess its time to move on.
Sorry to hear its ruining your game aswell.Take care --Motlee---rgr tht out

LT.INSTG8R
11-03-2005, 03:56 PM
Hey there motlee long time no see!

Actually going on stathems settings as a guide I have regained control and think I have cured my "wobble" tho Im still having to trim ALOT more this I can live with.
Now if I could only figure out why at full throttle my Spit is still nosing over something awful if I center my stick....TRIMMING AGAIN!
The moral of the story for me is to crank up the settings rather than down(as I had done before 4.02 if your using Olegs suggested settings your doomed)

Woof603
11-04-2005, 09:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LT.INSTG8R:
NP see thread HERE (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/3961074373) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many thanks. Great fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

vanjast
11-04-2005, 10:10 AM
@ LT.INSTG8R:
I think i know wot the problem is..
The X-52 is boasting contactless sensors on the roll and pitch axis. These sensors (G-sensor or inductive) IF NOT PROGRAMMED PROPERLY (Saitek take note) will show erratic beahviour, and jump all over the place.
I place my bets, a gazillion bucks, that the moron at Saitek forgot to place a decent software averaging algorithm on these sensor inputs. Reading a pot sensor is more direct and simpler to average.

I have an old backup stick which uses the same type of sensor and is it sh-1.tty and jumpy (oversensitive).
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LT.INSTG8R
11-04-2005, 12:39 PM
Your theory makes some sense, I have a later model(purchased it this summer to replace my VERY old Saitek Cyborg Gameport, yes gameport) and it doesnt have the deadspots that older Saiteks have and it does seem to respond fairly smoothly(well it used too )
Now I had formatted a few weeks ago and used the latest Saitek driver from Win Update and the latest software from Saitek 4-3-3-2053 is a "newer" one but it says no software installed, but I highly doubt that would have anything to do with it as all my profiles work fine