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WOLFMondo
09-07-2005, 05:55 AM
In Il2:FB or PF you can belly land with impunity on a concrete or metal runway but an aluminium plane in real life doing this would catch fire very quickly after comming to a halt cause of all the heat generated by the friction.

Can this be included in BoB if it cannot be retrofitted into IL2:FB/PF?

WOLFMondo
09-07-2005, 05:55 AM
In Il2:FB or PF you can belly land with impunity on a concrete or metal runway but an aluminium plane in real life doing this would catch fire very quickly after comming to a halt cause of all the heat generated by the friction.

Can this be included in BoB if it cannot be retrofitted into IL2:FB/PF?

Hetzer_II
09-07-2005, 08:00 AM
You know which heat is needed to enlight alluminium?

73GIAP_Milan
09-07-2005, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hetzer_II:
You know which heat is needed to enlight alluminium? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alot of heat, but the plane might be leaking fuel, oil, coolant or hydraulics, so the chance of it catching fire increases alot! - because the metal scraping would cause it to spark..

It's a good idea Wolfmondo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rr9
09-07-2005, 09:39 AM
If that kind of landing accidents would be added, they might also handle those that are caused by lots of water or snow on the runway. Landing planes might flip over the nose (like if you break hard and have enough speed), or slide away from the runway.

nakamura_kenji
09-07-2005, 09:40 AM
i might wrong think aluminium melt at 300 degree but long time since i do metal casting so probab wrong

Chivas
09-07-2005, 09:56 AM
That would be cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
09-07-2005, 04:50 PM
Need the SCRRREEEEEEEEeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuuurrkkkKKKK! sound too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
09-08-2005, 03:28 AM
Noises and sparks would be very cool. I can just imagine belly landing and hearing the tearing of metal against concrete.

In a similar way belly landing on grass would look great if you left a trail of dug up turf behind you.

Blackjack174
09-10-2005, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Noises and sparks would be very cool. I can just imagine belly landing and hearing the tearing of metal against concrete.

In a similar way belly landing on grass would look great if you left a trail of dug up turf behind you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes! like a permanent version of the effect the plane produces over water (the waketrail), but brown and "bumpmappish" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

pourshot
09-10-2005, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blackjack174:

Yes! like a permanent version of the effect the plane produces over water (the waketrail), but brown and "bumpmappish" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what your saying is if we crash land we should get brown lumpy skid marks that wont wash out, sounds pretty realistic hehe.

triggerhappyfin
09-14-2005, 05:13 AM
If you read P Clostermanâ´s, The big circus, youâ´ll find out how dangerous business it was to belly a plane. At least the Tempest. He describes a plentitude of such events with fatal outcome to the pilot. Once he was forced to do one by himself and chose to belly on the side of the concrete strip and survived(silly me, he wrote the book, didâ´nt he? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif).

Couldâ´nt this be implemented in the game already? Belly on concrete and burn and on grass and perhaps be able to manage it. On grass it would be nice to have it speed dependable too fast - you burn.

WOLFMondo
09-14-2005, 06:34 AM
He does mention his greatest fear was ending up like 'Alex' in a belly landing on the concrete strip cause there was so little chance of survival and a high chance of being burnt to death.

I don't think grass or dirt will ever cause the friction needed to cause an aluminium fire though. Concrete and tarmac would act like sand paper against the aluminium and build up excessive energy causing the fire.

IAFS_Painter
09-14-2005, 03:13 PM
The Tempest was particularly nasty in this respect.
In my opinion (not fact), that the chin radiator was responsible. Too much oil thrown back in over the engine.

WOLFMondo
09-14-2005, 04:33 PM
The Tempest and Typhoon were ok belly landing. On the RAF Tempest DVD I think every single pilot interviewed mentioned having to belly land either one or the other plane or in one case both at different time. One guy, an American who flew in the RAF even landed on water and survived ok and complained he wanted Gin when they give him bovril. Theres also film of a Typhoon belly landing and the radiator doesn't come off. From what I gather Roland Beaumont belly landed over half a dozen tempests and typhoons before being captured.

Also check out the ace of aces book on the Tempest and Typhoon amoungst other sources of photographs of belly landed Tempests and Typhoons, the radiators are still attached. Suprising really but I've never seen an image with a belly landed Typhoon or Tempest without the radiator. (someone will now prove me wrong!http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Skoshi Tiger
09-16-2005, 12:37 AM
I liked the bit at the end of the novel 'Goodbye Mickey Mouse' The hero belly lands his P51 on the runway and gets stuck in the wreckage and is in a pretty bad way.

The other planes are running on vapours and have no chance of diverting, so they send out a bulldozer and push the smoldering wreckage, pilot and all off the runway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ( The hero doesn't survive!)

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to work into the sim?

73GIAP_Milan
09-16-2005, 04:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:
I liked the bit at the end of the novel 'Goodbye Mickey Mouse' The hero belly lands his P51 on the runway and gets stuck in the wreckage and is in a pretty bad way.

The other planes are running on vapours and have no chance of diverting, so they send out a bulldozer and push the smoldering wreckage, pilot and all off the runway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ( The hero doesn't survive!)

Surely it wouldn't be too hard to work into the sim? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true, what happened was that the P-51 exploded a tire and toppled on it's nose, so the engine was torn off it's suspension and slammed backwards, crushing the pilot in his seat. He got stuck between the engine and the seat armorplating. He died in the hospital a few hours later.

But such a landing ingame would thus result in an injured pilot, or a dead one..
Anyway a belly landing in any plane, on concrete/tarmac has a high risk of fire, so i'd love to see it modelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif How far this would be done is up to the 1C team.