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VIIseas
12-15-2005, 08:58 AM
Hello,
don't know but i'm sure i was once able to land on flat greens without ruining propellor and putting my nose in the dirt. Should be possible even with WW2 planes. There might have been a mole hole in the ground now and then, but now you will always fail to land properly even on golf greens.
I do not manage to do this, not even with a Gladiator, a Fiat or any other slow plane. Again a bit overdone with the flight model?
Greetings,
viiseas

VIIseas
12-15-2005, 08:58 AM
Hello,
don't know but i'm sure i was once able to land on flat greens without ruining propellor and putting my nose in the dirt. Should be possible even with WW2 planes. There might have been a mole hole in the ground now and then, but now you will always fail to land properly even on golf greens.
I do not manage to do this, not even with a Gladiator, a Fiat or any other slow plane. Again a bit overdone with the flight model?
Greetings,
viiseas

Chuck_Older
12-15-2005, 09:47 AM
Sure it was done. I haven't landed wheels down in any plane for some time, but it at least used to be possible

But bear in mind that belly landing was a common procedure if the landing wasn't on a runway

Lord_Rhah
12-15-2005, 10:30 AM
its possible, i did it the other day, but its more luck than skill.

best bet is to try and land on a road, and dodge the roadside trees

Brain32
12-15-2005, 11:00 AM
It's still possible but waaaaaaaay harder than before. I did it with ME109G6AS the other day, but it was more luck than skill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

actionhank1786
12-15-2005, 11:55 AM
Yeah, i think the ground is now modelled with bumps and such, because i never had a problem before, but now i bounce all over and take out a wing or a prop

Kuna15
12-15-2005, 12:44 PM
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I think that most FB air stuff can be landed quite easily on lawn (but under certain conditions).
For example it's a lot harder when aircraft is damaged or lawn is on elevated terrain etc.

Sometimes I feel that landing is a bit tougher than it should be on perfect lawn, but then again once you get used to it - it shouldn't be a problem http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

When my aircraft is damaged I usually don't take any chances and I perform gear up landing on lawn (if very badly damaged gear up even on airstrip).

Chef-Scott
12-15-2005, 01:40 PM
I have no problem landing any of the aircraft in the game... except on a runway!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

I can land anywhere but there! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

slo123
12-15-2005, 02:11 PM
yea i try to lans on beaches u would think it would be a little softer but it aint

gthgrrl4game
12-15-2005, 03:27 PM
Try Landing a floatplane, like the Rufe.
I make big splashes when I do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

jds1978
12-15-2005, 04:02 PM
before this post i didn't know you could make a landing on the lawn w/o wrecking your AC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif....when i'm not blasted out of the sky forthright, i belly in at least 1/4 of the time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

slo123
12-15-2005, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gthgrrl4game:
Try Landing a floatplane, like the Rufe.
I make big splashes when I do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hey i can land that go figure

carguy_
12-15-2005, 04:56 PM
I thought if you`re forced to land on a lawn then you don`t need the gear - it`s important for you to live through the landing.Sure it`s not realistic,but in PF you can land anything without gear,on the belly.It`s very easy.If you have to land for few minutes,set her down on a road,even a simple country one is flat enough.

3.JG51_BigBear
12-15-2005, 06:00 PM
It seems a lot more realistic now. Even though visually there are no potholes and such in game, the difficulty in landing in an open field makes it seem like they're there. In JG26 Top Guns of the Luftwaffe, there is an account of a pilot who remembers watching a damaged Tempest make a wheels down landing in an open field. He seemed stunned to see the pilot attempt to make the landing and then actually pull it off. The Tempest ended up running into a tree so go figure.

SlickStick
12-15-2005, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lord_Rhah:
its possible, i did it the other day, but its more luck than skill.

best bet is to try and land on a road, and dodge the roadside trees </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just FYI, but the smaller trees that are not part of the "semi-invisible" forests are not actual trees, but visual only. You can fly right through them.

To know if a tree is a real one or not, just lower Landscape Detail in Video Options to LOW and the trees that don't disappear are real and will destroy you if you hit them. The not-so-real trees will vanish. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

When taxiing on the Russian Pogo Grassā"ž¢ā®ā©, be sure to keep speed below 40km/h and the tail won't bounce up over your head. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Oh, and by all means, belly into base and destroy everything on the plane, and still receive full score (as long as you don't bail). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kuna15
12-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Yes usually trees in/around villages and towns are dangerous. Those on common lawns are not (on FB maps).

However some new maps have palm trees that are 'real deal' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. And 'real' trees (except for forests) can be destroyed too.

Anyway I never saw 'dangerous' tree in the middle of nowhere except for palm trees...

edit:I saw some pine trees on NW Europe map, in my target area (iirc there was some village near by)

Saunders1953
12-15-2005, 08:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted Thu December 15 2005 14:27
Try </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You bet! Landing and taking off are a real blast--they're more rough since 4.01.

VIIseas
12-16-2005, 11:34 AM
Hello,
sorry, but i doubt one of you really landed a plane with IL2/Pacific Fighters/Aces expansion merged install with the 4.02 patch on anything else than concrete or streets/field paths. No chance, not even with a Fiat Biplane. As soon as your speed is down to some 30-40 km/h your crate will make a salto. Try it.
Greetings,
viiseas

MrQBerrt
12-16-2005, 12:29 PM
I remember Oleg saying that some of his improvements in flight models (4.0, 4.1) made ground handling less realistic (obviously Oleg wouldn't say less realistic, but that was the extent of it). I'll try and see if I can find where he said it.

MagnumHK
12-16-2005, 01:05 PM
In the merged version of PF(4.02)I was flying a career mission over the Owen mountain range. On the way back to base took an engine hit with the P40. Had oil on the screen. Managed to get into own territory but engine was ready to die.

Picked out a nice mostly clear field while still in the mountains. Decided to go for a belly landing and came down very gently with speed below 100 mph and flaps fully extended.

I touched down very gently but to my horror exploded on impact. I was only expecting a bent prop. There was no reason for the explosion that I could see. Made me think that if flying in mountains the program treats everything as forest even when there is a clear area.

In this same campaign I made a belly landing on the beach with only bent prop.

Kuna15
12-16-2005, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VIIseas:
Hello,
sorry, but i doubt one of you really landed a plane with IL2/Pacific Fighters/Aces expansion merged install with the 4.02 patch on anything else than concrete or streets/field paths. No chance, not even with a Fiat Biplane. As soon as your speed is down to some 30-40 km/h your crate will make a salto. Try it.
Greetings,
viiseas </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've made a few tracks when I saw your post.

402__kunalandings (http://free-vk.t-com.hr/domagoj/tracks/402__kunalandings.zip)

1.A6M landing on Hawaii map
2.Beaufighter landing on Crimea map (the most easier landing of all four - FB map)
3.Hayate on Iwo Jima map. Busted tail wheel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
4.P-40 on Okinawa map (used road to make easier landing)

Generally it is easier on old FB maps; when PF maps are in question it is hard I will dare to say extremely hard. It is desirable to search for road as it will allow succesful landing on every map just like airstrip.

tbh I never succeded with landing some planes on new maps; Bf-109 being example. Perhaps someone will succeed. I've tried couple of times but I flip every time either that or I bust my gears.

Kuna15
12-16-2005, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brain32:
It's still possible but waaaaaaaay harder than before. I did it with ME109G6AS the other day, but it was more luck than skill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just saw your post mate you should record that one because it is really hard... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif