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SpinSpinSugar
01-12-2004, 08:44 AM
I don't know if you saw the Dambusters thing with the modern day RAF folks a while back, if so then this is much the same idea, but with Spitfires.

Several RAF hopefuls will be taken through a recreation of 1940's training programmes before only one of them, I believe, gets to fly one of the few remaining dual control Spits for real.

It'll probably be wonderfully contrived, but you DO get to see Spitfires.

Cheers,

SSS

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Channel: Channel 4
Date: Monday 12 January
Time: 9:00pm to 10:00pm
Subtitled

Review

Hearing Second World War pilots who flew the Supermarine Spitfire talk about it, it's clear they were all in love with it.

"It were so beautiful," says one. "On the ground standing still, it looked like it were doing 400 miles an hour."

This isn't just another celebration of an iconic plane, though. It has a reality TV element - four young pilots compete for a nine-hour training course in a Spitfire, the same time the RAF men of 1940 had before they went into battle.

Given that few people get to fly a Spitfire at all these days, it's quite a prize. But the real stars are the ex-pilots.

From what they say, the experience of flying one for the first time in the late 1930s was pretty special.

SpinSpinSugar
01-12-2004, 08:44 AM
I don't know if you saw the Dambusters thing with the modern day RAF folks a while back, if so then this is much the same idea, but with Spitfires.

Several RAF hopefuls will be taken through a recreation of 1940's training programmes before only one of them, I believe, gets to fly one of the few remaining dual control Spits for real.

It'll probably be wonderfully contrived, but you DO get to see Spitfires.

Cheers,

SSS

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Channel: Channel 4
Date: Monday 12 January
Time: 9:00pm to 10:00pm
Subtitled

Review

Hearing Second World War pilots who flew the Supermarine Spitfire talk about it, it's clear they were all in love with it.

"It were so beautiful," says one. "On the ground standing still, it looked like it were doing 400 miles an hour."

This isn't just another celebration of an iconic plane, though. It has a reality TV element - four young pilots compete for a nine-hour training course in a Spitfire, the same time the RAF men of 1940 had before they went into battle.

Given that few people get to fly a Spitfire at all these days, it's quite a prize. But the real stars are the ex-pilots.

From what they say, the experience of flying one for the first time in the late 1930s was pretty special.

weeksy
01-12-2004, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the information - I enjoyed the Dambuster program so will be watching this one.

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01-12-2004, 10:56 AM
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EPP-Gibbs
01-12-2004, 12:41 PM
There is a book called 'First Light' by a former RAF Spitfire Pilot, Geoffrey Wellum. It's an excellent book and gives a first class description of what it was like for an 18 year old in 1940 to fly a Spitfire for the first time.

Thanks for the heads up.

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MadBadVlad
01-12-2004, 04:11 PM
Actually this programme was way more watchable than the Dambusters programme ever was. For one thing we did not have to watch a bunch of people trying to fly a very lame looking Justflight dambusters simulator. In the Spitfire programme they get to fly real planes ie. a Tiger Moth trainer and then, once two of the four wannabes have been given the heave ho, the remaining two get to train in the Grace 2-seat Spitfire based at Duxford. In amongst the real training flights are surviving veterans (Bob Doe, Geoffrey Wellum and many others) accounts of training and flying the Spitfire plus WWII footage. It was a fascinating programme and there are three more to go, can't wait.........MBV

p1ngu666
01-12-2004, 07:30 PM
i didnt like the format, the other bits where good tho http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Korolov
01-12-2004, 08:33 PM
Question here:

You don't use the same TV service throughout the whole country, do you? Or is there some sort of channel requirements for each station?

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Xiolablu3
01-13-2004, 12:54 AM
If u don't pay for cable or satellite then there are 4 free channels in the UK (4 countries!)

Capt_Haddock
01-13-2004, 02:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There is a book called 'First Light' by a former RAF Spitfire Pilot, Geoffrey Wellum. It's an excellent book and gives a first class description of what it was like for an 18 year old in 1940 to fly a Spitfire for the first time.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I read Wellum's book last year and I agree. It has a brilliant description of the training in early wartime RAF, from the first flights to the first solo in a Spitfire. I loved the chapters on night-flying training. I actually remember trying it in FB from take-off to landing with just a couple of torches on the runway.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Actually this programme was way more watchable than the Dambusters programme ever was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh yes. That other one was embarrassing. Those poor guys sitting in a crudelly-shaped cage playing that poor CFS. Ouch.

I quite enjoyed "Spitfire Ace" yesterday night, specially the interviews with veterans and the old footage. And there were some beautiful shots of the Spitfire flying low over Duxford.

The best thing probably was the trainees saying that the Spit was easy to fly after the nervous Tiger Moth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If u don't pay for cable or satellite then there are 4 free channels in the UK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Make it 5. I know Channel 5 used to be unwatchable, but the poor guys are working hard to improve their credibility http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Antony_B
01-13-2004, 02:18 AM
I thought it was great, a good balance of interviews with veterans, archive film and the modern 'reality' element. I think the ecstatic smile on that young pilot's face said it all when he had his first flight in the Spitfire. It all convinced me that it is a beautiful aircraft to fly as well as look at. Far worse TV programmes are being made.

ELEM
01-13-2004, 02:31 AM
It was a very well structured program. I enjoyed it. I would like to see the pilot finally selected for the Spitfire 9 hour training end up doing some mock dogfighting against a contemporary a/c, say a Texan or Buchon etc. Could he keep his adversary in his sights long enough to make a kill? That's the ultimate objective of all the training.

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SUPERAEREO
01-13-2004, 02:37 AM
Didn't much care for the format, which I found a bit "gimmicky" (although I envied the guys who got to fly the Spit) but the archive footage was very good and I really liked the comments about the handling of the plane.

SpinSpinSugar
01-13-2004, 02:44 AM
I'm amazed that the Grace Spitfire is still put through aerobatic routines. I'm delighted I'll be able to watch it, but I wonder if Channel 4 paid for the extra insurance for low-hour pilots unfamiliar with type. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And it's a Mk.9. Fantastic lines. I did wonder why it had the 4 machine gun fit wing and not the cannon fairings?

Great programme, really enjoyed it. Especially as I, too, have just finished reading "First Light" by Geoffrey Wellum. It was good to see he's as sharp as ever in the interview snippets during the programme. A wonderful book, his. Probably the best account of the Battle of Britain I've read from the pilot's perspective, plus it's an evocative insight into Britain during her heyday.

As a civvie pilot, I enjoyed greatly his descriptions of learning to fly. And the descriptions of the beauty of the Spitfire only add to my anticipation of Maddox's next opus.

Back to last night, nice gun camera montage to music, wasn't it?

Cheers,

SSS

madsarmy
01-13-2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
There is a book called 'First Light' by a former RAF Spitfire Pilot, Geoffrey Wellum. It's an excellent book and gives a first class description of what it was like for an 18 year old in 1940 to fly a Spitfire for the first time.


Gibbs yor not wrong about "First Light" a fantastic read. I would recommend it to everyone here.

Spitfire Ace was worth it just to see the one chaps face after his first Spit flight.
"A young man in love for the first time"

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Extreme_One
01-13-2004, 04:24 AM
It was a really good programme wasn't it?
I can't wait for the next part....

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DeerHunterUK
01-13-2004, 05:25 AM
The choosing of the 2 pilots to fly the Spitfire was a bit of a no brainer, who didn't predict that it'd be 1 RAF chap and 1 civvie who'd get to fly the Spitfire?
Good programme though.

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Aaron_GT
01-13-2004, 06:28 AM
"There is a book called 'First Light' by a former RAF Spitfire Pilot, Geoffrey Wellum."

My wife bought me that for Christmas :-) It's
very readable. Wellum was also in the documentary
on Channel 4.

Aaron_GT
01-13-2004, 06:31 AM
"If u don't pay for cable or satellite then there are 4 free channels in the UK (4 countries!)"

If you get a FreeView box (Hauppage do a
basic one for about 60) you can get 30 or
more free channels, BBC 1 to 4, ITV 1 & 2,
news channels, UK History, and some pointless
shopping channels and childrens' channels, etc.

trumper
01-13-2004, 06:34 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I enjoyed it very much but hope that the selection of the pilots was'nt biased towards the RAF type so they did'nt look bad losing out to the civvie pilots who had probably had to pay their way and work harder to reach the same hours.

Taylortony
01-13-2004, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
"If u don't pay for cable or satellite then there are 4 free channels in the UK (4 countries!)"

If you get a FreeView box (Hauppage do a
basic one for about 60) you can get 30 or
more free channels, BBC 1 to 4, ITV 1 & 2,
news channels, UK History, and some pointless
shopping channels and childrens' channels, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cracking programme, enjoyed it, even if she didn't taxy it into a Helicopter this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BBC 1... BBC 2.... ITV... CHANNEL 4... CHANNEL 5 doh! that makes 5 channels free to uk http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt_Haddock
01-13-2004, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Back to last night, nice gun camera montage to music, wasn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. It was realy well put together. Specially after the comments from the veterans on how brutal the fights could be. Hard not to feel some empathy for the pilots on the receiving end.

And what about the unbelievable 9 hours training before combat? Blimey. They didn't mess around those days, did they? It makes you think about how relatively easy could have been to fly a Spit for someone with reasonable experience in much simpler planes.

Funny thing is that now I'd love to fly a Tiger Moth in FB. What a ride http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Rattles_UK
01-13-2004, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:

Back to last night, nice gun camera montage to music, wasn't it?

agreed.very atmospheric stuff and some of it,especially the segments with the .303 trails going into the bomber formations I hadn't seen before.

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geelist
01-14-2004, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:

Back to last night, nice gun camera montage to music, wasn't it?


yes very stirring stuff.

does anybody know the piece of music that was used??



geel

SpinSpinSugar
01-14-2004, 03:38 PM
Capt_Haddock, My lovely girlfriend bought me a Tiger Moth flight for Christmas. I'll take it in the summer some time, and hopefully do some aeros like those lucky chaps. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SSS

Aaron_GT
01-15-2004, 06:16 AM
"BBC 1... BBC 2.... ITV... CHANNEL 4... CHANNEL 5 doh! that makes 5 channels free to uk"

Unless you get a digital box for around
60 to 100, in which
case there are around 30 free channels.

Look at http://www.freeview.co.uk/

Huxley_S
01-15-2004, 06:34 AM
I couldn't get over how beautiful the Spitfire is. It really is a truely stunning, gorgeous and majestic machine. No wonder the young RAF pilots were so besotted with them. Such a shame there are so few of them surviving today.

Also, I loved the Tiger Moth instructor barking at his student "make love to the sky, don't shag it!"... I am trying to apply this philosophy to my IL2/FB playing!

A fun programme. I look forward to seeing the next episodes.

Stickmonkey1
01-15-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by trumper:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I enjoyed it very much but hope that the selection of the pilots was'nt biased towards the RAF type so they did'nt look bad losing out to the civvie pilots who had probably had to pay their way and work harder to reach the same hours.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think they will support the RAF in a biased way, but I disagree with you saying that a civvie pilot has to work harder to gain the same hours - if that is actually what you meant, I haven't just taken it in the incorrect context, then that is just plain wrong.

From what I heard speaking to another Spit pilot of the same fraternity, the initial selection done on the Tiger Moth, and in the end (this was filmed last June), was rather a botch job and driven by TV production more than anything else. Never mind though - a nice program and good to hear the first impressions of the lucky two.

Sm

Taylortony
01-15-2004, 11:31 AM
Aaron_GT

posted 15-01-04 05:16
"BBC 1... BBC 2.... ITV... CHANNEL 4... CHANNEL 5 doh! that makes 5 channels free to uk"

Unless you get a digital box for around
60 to 100, in which
case there are around 30 free channels.

Look at http://www.freeview.co.uk/

Got Sky Digital so i can watch those programmes over and over and over and ohh over again and again and again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif well some of them are like that hehehe

Indianer.
01-15-2004, 11:35 AM
Didnt really like it.

Also there are many more UK channels if u buy a free view box...around 60.

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Capt_Haddock
01-15-2004, 02:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Capt_Haddock, My lovely girlfriend bought me a Tiger Moth flight for Christmas. I'll take it in the summer some time, and hopefully do some aeros like those lucky chaps. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
SSS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweet! Now THAT's true love http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You're a lucky fella. Make sure you come back to the forums to tell us ALL about that flight.

The only vintage plane I had the luck to fly in is a Dragon Rapide. it was an incredibly smooth ride compared with today's passenger jets. Such a nice feeling of floating. I specially enjoyed the way you could realy feel the plane skidding when the pilot used the rudder.

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Captain_Hilts
01-15-2004, 03:30 PM
I enjoyed the programme too , the smile on the first guyin the spit reminded me of when I had a ride in a 2 seat p51 "ridge runner 3" in 2002 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Mike_Green
01-15-2004, 04:47 PM
I agree with the consensus that it was much better than the Dambusters programme. Refreshingly short on gimmicks, and put together with a genuine respect for the subject matter.

I've heard the comments about the Tiger Moth being a tricky beggar before. One vet said that the hurricane should have been the trainer for the Tiger Moth! 'Easy to fly, hard to fly well' seemed about right to me. Certainly when I tried my hand at flying one (hem hem) it was bouncing around at the slightest breeze.

I had a go on a moth at the Moth club charity flying weekend. I think it was about 40 for a flip; ridiculously cheap anyway. it was a really friendly atmosphere and a great day. I thoroughly recommend it! Further details here:
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frior-one
01-16-2004, 06:44 AM
my wife has flown in the sister tiger moth with brendan o'brian at headcorn (as in the programme) i bought the flight for her as a 40th birthday present. she said he was brilliant!

frior-one
01-19-2004, 01:51 AM
bump (thought the programme deserved it)

frior-one
01-19-2004, 01:52 AM
bump (thought the programme deserved it)

SpinSpinSugar
01-19-2004, 03:25 AM
Yes indeed frior-one, worth a bump. Should, apparently, be some "combat" flying this evening, so hopefully lots of footage of that Spitfire being thrown around the sky.

Cheers, SSS

Rajvosa
01-19-2004, 03:40 AM
I've just ordered a DVD called "Stukas and Spitfires", purely on impulse. We'll se what gives. I also ordered "THe Air War 1939-1945"... Should be interesting.

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Rajvosa
01-19-2004, 03:44 AM
Also, not to long ago there was a programme on DIscovery Europe called A Spitfire Story. It was about the most famous SPit today, the MH 484, also known as ZD-B. Unbeleiveably graceful machine, hard to think it was such an effective war machine. If it looks right, then it IS right. Goes for P-51 as well.

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MiloMorai
01-19-2004, 04:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Also, not to long ago there was a programme on DIscovery Europe called A Spitfire Story. It was about the most famous SPit today, the MH 484, also known as ZD-B. Unbeleiveably graceful machine, hard to think it was such an effective war machine. If it looks right, then it IS right. Goes for P-51 as well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Want to see a pic of MH484 taken during the war? Scroll down near the bottom of the page.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105441



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