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LEBillfish
08-08-2006, 12:33 AM
Upon seeing the 13th Warrior again tonight I'm inspired to post the prayer said toward the end by Ibn the "Arab"..........Simply it is so non-denominational, so personal, so perfect. Just a phrase from a mere movie, that strikes a chord in me.........

Merciful father. I have squandered my days with plans of many things. This was not among them. But at this moment, I beg only, to live the next few minutes well.
For all we ought to have thought and have not thought. All we ought to have said and have not said. All we ought to have done and have not done. I pray thee, God for forgiveness.

LEBillfish
08-08-2006, 12:33 AM
Upon seeing the 13th Warrior again tonight I'm inspired to post the prayer said toward the end by Ibn the "Arab"..........Simply it is so non-denominational, so personal, so perfect. Just a phrase from a mere movie, that strikes a chord in me.........

Merciful father. I have squandered my days with plans of many things. This was not among them. But at this moment, I beg only, to live the next few minutes well.
For all we ought to have thought and have not thought. All we ought to have said and have not said. All we ought to have done and have not done. I pray thee, God for forgiveness.

SeaFireLIV
08-08-2006, 03:47 AM
The 13th Warrior is an absolutely great movie. I like it`s realistic feel, yet the unusual story of a muslim fighting with Northern vikings(?)

And you`re right about the speech. the Vikings also come out with some good stuff too, like the battle song.

This has inspired much of my story artwork.

Y`know, LEBillfish, sometimes you surprise me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ernst_Rohr
08-08-2006, 08:14 AM
The movies is based on the book "Eater of the Dead" by Michael Crichton. The book was actually written as part of a dare/discussion about the Beowulf Saga. Crichton thought that Beowulf could still be impactful and resonate with people today, if told in a slightly more modern approach.

13th Warrior/Eaters of the Dead was the result. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I love the movie, but its a mixed bag historically. The armor and weapons are all off for a historical perspective, but as to the actual theme of an arab meeting vikings, thats not any stretch at all. Arabs had met and had been impressed by the vikings originally while vikings were serving in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine emperors.

The vikings and arabs came into further contact as the viking Russ pressed into and conquered the slavs living in what would become Russia (Russ = Russia), at the same time Islam was spreading north from the Black Sea region and from the Caucasus.

Still, its a great flick, and I agree with Billfish, the prayer is excellent! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-08-2006, 08:22 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif and exactly which 'chord' was it that was stricken?

Actually, I liked the movie as well and thought the prayer sincere.


TB

DuxCorvan
08-08-2006, 09:01 AM
Vikings plundered Seville -then in Muslim hands- in 1000 AD.

Bearcat99
08-08-2006, 09:18 AM
I read the book before the movie came out.. an excellent read... and I thought the whole movie was very well done..

marc_hawkins
08-08-2006, 09:50 AM
Lo, there do I see my father,
Lo, there do I see my mother,
and my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people...
Back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them.
I in the halls of Valhalla...
Where the brave may live forever.

Edit: I am also rather fond of Conan's prayer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!

Lodovik
08-08-2006, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I love the movie, but its a mixed bag historically. The armor and weapons are all off for a historical perspective </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True that, though from purely archaeological point of view I think the so called "Wendol" is the most glaring mutilation of facts... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Still, it's a great beer and prezels movie. And I can be called a sentimental fool but the final battle catches me tear eyed every single time...

SeaFireLIV
08-08-2006, 10:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Lo, there do I see my father,
Lo, there do I see my mother,
and my sisters, and my brothers.
Lo, there do I see the line of my people...
Back to the beginning.
Lo, they do call to me.
They bid me take my place among them.
I in the halls of Valhalla...
Where the brave may live forever.

Edit: I am also rather fond of Conan's prayer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Crom... so grant me one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to HELL with you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember these words too, especially that last `prayer` from Conan. LOL, yes, I spent my yound days getting entranced by stuff like that... still do now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Ernst_Rohr
08-08-2006, 11:15 AM
I think that all that stuff speaks deep down to that innocent kid in all of us that still belives in things like honor and glory, and being a larger than life hero. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Haigotron
08-08-2006, 01:02 PM
I converted to Islam http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
08-08-2006, 01:14 PM
nerd alert! nerd alert! now if all you dorks will excuse me im off to watch some LotR and play Oblivion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Cajun76
08-08-2006, 04:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:

I love the movie, but its a mixed bag historically. The armor and weapons are all off for a historical perspective, but as to the actual theme of an arab meeting vikings, thats not any stretch at all. Arabs had met and had been impressed by the vikings originally while vikings were serving in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine emperors.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The armor seems out of place for Viking warriors, but the impression I got was that some of the guys had been gladiators at one point, or picked up armor from their extensive travels in various lands. Just my impression. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

One of my favorite movies, and I like the fact that it can portray an Arab in a positive way. Radical extremists do not properly represent the majority of their people.

I think I know what I need to watch tonight, thanks Billfish! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LEBillfish
08-08-2006, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:

I love the movie, but its a mixed bag historically. The armor and weapons are all off for a historical perspective, but as to the actual theme of an arab meeting vikings, thats not any stretch at all. Arabs had met and had been impressed by the vikings originally while vikings were serving in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine emperors.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The armor seems out of place for Viking warriors, but the impression I got was that some of the guys had been gladiators at one point, or picked up armor from their extensive travels in various lands. Just my impression. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

One of my favorite movies, and I like the fact that it can portray an Arab in a positive way. Radical extremists do not properly represent the majority of their people.

I think I know what I need to watch tonight, thanks Billfish! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


As to the armor and some of the weapons I found it VERY fitting......As an example, notice how the sword of the one that was killed to be used as an example was very crude and unfinished, as though a chunk of raw steel was hammered to shape yet never polished......In contrast those of the "Northmen" who had to travel MUCH MUCH further north to help were much more finished....The simple explination being they "took their weapons vs. making them.

Hence the armor, it was a collection of Gladiator, Spanish medieval, Roman, Germanic, Constantinian era, etc......YET these "Northmen" were clearly Barbarian Viking stock (which traveled much more extensively then just England, through France, all the way to the Middle East)...Their armor spoils of war, no doubt passed down and gathered in bits here and there so hence the odd mix.

I found it very fitting......

Worf101
08-08-2006, 06:41 PM
Call me a nerd if you want. But I read Conan, Doc Savage, The Shadow.. Men of Valor and Protean Genius. They fought crime, evil and the fascit hordes. It is the stuff dreams are made of... and sometimes men.. I've only taken one oath in my life. It was "to protect and defend the Constitution... I live by it still

Da Worfster

Ernst_Rohr
08-08-2006, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Posted Tue August 08 2006 16:06

quote:
Originally posted by Cajun76:

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:

I love the movie, but its a mixed bag historically. The armor and weapons are all off for a historical perspective, but as to the actual theme of an arab meeting vikings, thats not any stretch at all. Arabs had met and had been impressed by the vikings originally while vikings were serving in the Varangian Guard of the Byzantine emperors.



The armor seems out of place for Viking warriors, but the impression I got was that some of the guys had been gladiators at one point, or picked up armor from their extensive travels in various lands. Just my impression. Happy

One of my favorite movies, and I like the fact that it can portray an Arab in a positive way. Radical extremists do not properly represent the majority of their people.

I think I know what I need to watch tonight, thanks Billfish! Big Grin



As to the armor and some of the weapons I found it VERY fitting......As an example, notice how the sword of the one that was killed to be used as an example was very crude and unfinished, as though a chunk of raw steel was hammered to shape yet never polished......In contrast those of the "Northmen" who had to travel MUCH MUCH further north to help were much more finished....The simple explination being they "took their weapons vs. making them.

Hence the armor, it was a collection of Gladiator, Spanish medieval, Roman, Germanic, Constantinian era, etc......YET these "Northmen" were clearly Barbarian Viking stock (which traveled much more extensively then just England, through France, all the way to the Middle East)...Their armor spoils of war, no doubt passed down and gathered in bits here and there so hence the odd mix. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the viking period ended in the 11th century, and the limits of armor technology was limited to chainmail. The armor in the movie was a mix of periods that spanned over 1500 years, from early Imperial Roman gladiator gear to late mideval brestplates. While it may have looked cool (and it did) it was completely unrealistic. The swords werent much better, since several of them were far too big for the historical period, and others were clearly Hollywood ahistoric.

As per normal, Hollywood took extensive liberties to make things "look cool".

A typical viking would have been wearing a chain shirt over a wool tunic, wore a pot helm with a nasal, and carried a large round shield. He would have worn heavy wool breeks, and wrapped leggings and topped with a wool cloak in cooler weather.

Most of them were armed with a spear, and the wealthier ones would have had a sword as a secondary weapon. Some later period vikings would have probably swapped out the spear for a poleaxe.

Viking swords were single or double edged and averaged around 36 inches in length, shorter blades were common, longer ones were much less common. All of them featured very heavy enclosed pommels that made them strictly one handed weapons, since they were intended to be used with a shield. The large swords and the two handed/bastard type swords you see in the movie are completely unrealistic for the period, being late mideval in pattern and use.

Basically, Hollwood "jazzed up" the look of the characters because a historically correct group of vikings look pretty uniformly similar. By the 11th century EVERYONE in armor looked remarkably similar, and their equipment did as well. In other words, by Hollywood standards, BORING!

So, while I love the movie, from a historians perspective, its doo doo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
08-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Very informative, Ernst_Rohr. Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

waffen-79
08-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Yeah awesome movie, besides, put its soundtrack into Oblivion or RTW and you have a nice thing going http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ernst_Rohr
08-08-2006, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Very informative, Ernst_Rohr. Thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks, its always nice to put my completely useless degree to work once in a blue moon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif