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Haigotron
12-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Hello,

In today's poll, we're looking at your ground pounding style, more specifically with rockets.

Divine-Wind
12-12-2007, 05:42 PM
Depends. If it's stationary (I.e., bunkers) I'll spam them with explosives in one pass. If it's a moving target like a convoy, I'll fire off a pair or two and get set up for my attack run. Switch on your targeting computers!

More often than nought, though, I'm attacking something that doesn't move (Only thing I can hit lol) so I fire off my <STRIKE>proton torpedoes</STRIKE> rockets all at once.

Haigotron
12-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Alas, I do the opposite...which has cost me my plane many a times...

The reason I posted this was because I some some clips of ground pounders fire their rockets in one succession than pulling out, I guess in real life I wouldn't want to hang around either

HuninMunin
12-12-2007, 05:56 PM
To me the deciding factor is how many bastages down on the ground are shooting at me.
If the skies are blue and peacefull I take my time
to set up proper runs and make small salvos.
If theres much Flak I come down at a 60? angle and
unload all eggs as sap; probably aiming for some spot with a high target concentration.

Ernst_Rohr
12-12-2007, 08:53 PM
Depends on the load out.

If im dive bombing, tis the old maxim of "one pass and haul a$$"

If im all gunned up in a flying dump truck like the IL2 or the A20, I aint leaving till there aint nothing left to throw at em, or nothing left to shoot!

mortoma
12-12-2007, 09:37 PM
I like to drop bombs on things and shoot stuff with rockets and guns. That is my style.

Seriously I do all the things you listed in your poll, depends on the circumstance. If I am attacking an airbase ringed with defensive AAA, of course I shoot and drop everything and get the heck out of there. If there is little ground resistance, like a convoy, I take my time and make precision passes. But if I am going to sit in a gunner postion, I am going to shoot at enemy aircraft, not ground targets. I am most adept at dive bombing in the Stuka or Pe-2. I have tried it in the JU-88 and find it's too slow of a roller to get it into the proper dive quickly enough. I can do it though, just not as fun as a Stuka.

The P-47 is my favorite ground pounder and the Me-110 is my least favorite. Of course the Mossie and P-38 can kick some serious ground whupping patooti too. Beaufighter will do the job nicely too. Got tired of the IL-2 a long time ago for some reason, not saying it does not do the job, just got bored with it.

slo_1_2_3
12-12-2007, 10:46 PM
I usually go with "Dump and Run"

FoolTrottel
12-12-2007, 11:02 PM
Like others said, will depend on the circumstances:

- Lots of AA, small number of attacking friendly aircraft: Dump the load, and run for home.
- Lots of AA, large number of attacking frienldy aircraft: Attack lots of AA, repeatedly, and run for home.
- Little AA, small number of enemy aircraft: Attack targets repeatedly, and run for home.
- Little AA, large number of enemy aircraft: Dump the load, and run for home. (Sneaking away preferably)

Usually I try and come in low, and get out even lower.
Sometimes (too frequently http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif) this results into my aircraft hitting a building, (hangar, crane etc.) a target or the ground...

(I remember a recent Coop: me in a Ju88, even got me a live gunner (what a Hero!), attacked target succesfully, (as in destroyed it). There were lots of enemy aricraft around, so I ran for home over the sea, fast and low, very low.
All was looking very well, six was clear. One moment my concentrating was lacking a bit, we hit the water... no big spash, still flying... but silently... lost both props! Not bent, just sheared off completedly! The deadstick landing in the water was a big splash though... still going too fast... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)

willyvic
12-12-2007, 11:32 PM
I subscribe to the "dump and run" theory posted. However, my online wingman likes to take his sweet frickin time about it. I can't count the times I've been shot down covering his meandering arse... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


WV

general_kalle
12-13-2007, 12:12 AM
usually fire them off at first attack if not all of them half of them.
and thats what i voted but sometimes when im low on rockets and need specific targets destroyed i might do pinpoint attacks

also depends on the flack level.
more flack. less time in target zone.

na85
12-13-2007, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by Haigotron:
Hello,

In today's poll, we're looking at your ground pounding style, more specifically with rockets.

For me it depends largely on the amount of flak or AA.

If I'm going after enemy planes taking off then I'll try to do a "one-shot-one-kill" thing, but I find that the teeny tiny little AA guns can be very difficult to hit, so I'll usually fire more at those.

K_Freddie
12-13-2007, 01:21 AM
Online.. bomb delay set to 10 secs
In below 50ft, skip bomb the target, long gone by the time the bomb goes off. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

han freak solo
12-13-2007, 07:31 AM
Bombs and rockets are my usual assortment.

With rockets only, I'd prefer to come down a long line of vehicles, aircraft, or a train and let the rockets hit their marks one by one.

My only problem is trying to use the guns on a rocket or bomb run. I can't do both well due to sighting. I typically save gun ammo for defending myself from fighters if the ground target was too dangerous to strafe.

For practice in QMB, I definitely make repeated passes until I'm out of ammo or die. In a campaign, I usually hit and run.

http://www.aircraftsmodels.com/aircraft-models-images/silver-leaf-p-47-airplane2.gif

HuninMunin
12-13-2007, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by mortoma:
I am most adept at dive bombing in the Stuka or Pe-2. I have tried it in the JU-88 and find it's too slow of a roller to get it into the proper dive quickly enough. I can do it though, just not as fun as a Stuka.


No need for rolling over and playing dead dog in the 88.
Do it like the real pilots did it - just airbrakes and push the stick.

GIAP.Shura
12-13-2007, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
I usually go with "Dump and Run"

I hope you at least flush.

Skunk_438RCAF
12-13-2007, 08:07 AM
I do like the Typhoon pilots did. I "walk" up to the target with my cannons, then I release my rockets. I like to do multiple passes if I can.

Worf101
12-13-2007, 08:35 AM
As many have said, it depends on the opposition. Lots of flack and top cover, dump and run. Any thing less and I'll make a couple of passes then haul *** outta there.

Da Worfster

Deadmeat313
12-13-2007, 09:10 AM
I've been having a great time leading an Il-2 squadron in Lowengrin's DCG. I normally only allow my flight max 1 - 2 passes before recalling for the journey home. Nevertheless, I still lose pilots on a fairly frequent basis.

Ground attack is scary. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

T.

BRASSTURTLE
12-13-2007, 04:28 PM
DEATH FROM BELOW!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
I prefer the subterranean attack method.
That is part of why I go by turtle.

Like everyone else, it depends on how much hot steel is headed my way. I also fly like I consider my aircraft to be part of my load out.
A Jug will really put the hurt on just about any target.

Viper2005_
12-13-2007, 06:01 PM
In today's poll, we're looking at your ground pounding style, more specifically with rockets.

I wish my 190 had them. Then I drop my SC500 on a tank and run away.

Haigotron
12-13-2007, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Skunk_438RCAF:
I do like the Typhoon pilots did. I "walk" up to the target with my cannons, then I release my rockets. I like to do multiple passes if I can.

And I've seen you do it first hand, quite sexy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Divine-Wind
12-13-2007, 08:57 PM
Got track? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Antoninus
12-14-2007, 01:58 AM
Usually all try to hit something with each released weapon, so mostly I fire only one or two well aimed rocket pairs in each pass. If there is heavy flak concentration nearby I bomb them first.

Phil_K
12-14-2007, 03:14 AM
1st pass: take out nearest flak in the 20-40mm range.

2nd pass: take out everything else.

Monty_Thrud
12-14-2007, 06:44 AM
I prefer to round everything up in a field...AND!...BOMB THE BA$TARDS!.

I will mostly be using the PE8.

It allows you to enjoy the scenery, beautiful skyline, little fluffy clouds, little fluffy sheep... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...hang on a minute, why are there no sheep in IL2?... who's nicked all the ruddy sheep?, where's the birds?, cows, frolicking deer?. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

flyingloon
12-14-2007, 06:51 AM
bomb whatever is the largest concentration and then circle back round to hit individual hard targets with the rockets, one pair per target, repeat til down to guns and then either go for trucks or climb to cover any of the rest of the squad that are still alive.

spitfirecrazy
12-14-2007, 11:26 AM
to b honest do a pass with cannons to line up and find best angle of attack and then release the fury of rockets on the target

M2morris
12-14-2007, 06:51 PM
Pound- grounding is probably one oh my most favrotist thangs to do.
Heres a vid of mine I just found in my phototbucket stuff. I hadent looked at my ph-bucket in a long time since yootube.
Here I am in an F4U pasting a pathetic paluka with a perfect pacadermous purcussion pitch.

I nail a wirlywind on the beach with a skipped-bomb.
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/?actio...current=AAAvsF4U.flv (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/?action=view&current=AAAvsF4U.flv)

Haigotron
12-14-2007, 08:16 PM
LOL @ divine wind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and I remember your vid from a while back M2morris, still pretty cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

it seems almost 2/3 of the gang likes to pick the targets while 1/3 just like to unload all their firepower (sounds sexy)

I've been kinda trying both in the Beaufighters in the Desert campaign...anyone else tried that one yet? Lotsa ground battles to watch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Friendly_flyer
12-15-2007, 07:43 AM
Great video, M2Morris!

DIRTY-MAC
12-15-2007, 09:05 AM
I aim at the ground...

Ken_Det
12-15-2007, 12:41 PM
One at a time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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leitmotiv
12-15-2007, 01:07 PM
Scream in, smash, run like hell.

BSS_Vidar
12-15-2007, 01:45 PM
Not sure I should share this but here goes...

I use real ground-pounding tacs - retired Navy flyer here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I used arched approaches, in conjuction with the 30 deg off-set and 30 deg pop attack with a 30 deg dive. Skip bombing in this game is a friggin joke. A monkey with a joystick can do it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I have found using these real tactics gets me into and out of heavily defended AAA areas with little to no damage to my ride.

Ofcourse, to be successful you have to have intell on AAA posits to plan your attack. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Flying with squadron mates, we use the actual War-at-Sea (kiss-wheel) tactic. It works great on both sea and ground targets. This speads out the AAA coverage and pretty much gets everyone home.

V

willyvic
12-15-2007, 02:15 PM
Good plan Vidar. Only prob on my end is that I can barely keep Sour and Ivan in formation TO the target, let alone getting a coordinated attack profile layed out... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

WV

leitmotiv
12-15-2007, 02:24 PM
Sierra Hotel, Vidar!

Care to offer a tutorial on this for the unwashed?

Have any tips for properly laying on an SBD attack?

Please!

han freak solo
12-15-2007, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:

I used arched approaches, in conjuction with the 30 deg off-set and 30 deg pop attack with a 30 deg dive.

Can you explain that in civy terms, please?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

ojcar1971
12-15-2007, 02:33 PM
My usual style is firing all the weapons without destroying anything in the first attack, and at the end of the same attack, crashing my Il-2 against the f*****g target (usually a poor friendly tank). I need to change my glasses....

willyvic
12-15-2007, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:

I used arched approaches, in conjuction with the 30 deg off-set and 30 deg pop attack with a 30 deg dive.

Can you explain that in civy terms, please?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pop up, roll inverted, aquire target, roll right side up, hit target, and egress with plenty of airspeed.

WV

han freak solo
12-15-2007, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by willyvic:

Pop up, roll inverted, aquire target, roll right side up, hit target, and egress with plenty of airspeed.

WV

More lost I am. Pop up above what, the tree line?

leitmotiv
12-15-2007, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by willyvic:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by han freak solo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Vidar:

I used arched approaches, in conjuction with the 30 deg off-set and 30 deg pop attack with a 30 deg dive.

Can you explain that in civy terms, please?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pop up, roll inverted, aquire target, roll right side up, hit target, and egress with plenty of airspeed.

WV </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite.

willyvic
12-15-2007, 03:36 PM
OK, with a 30 degree offset, you would not have to roll completely inverted. You can pop up, roll wing high, keep the target in site, dive while rolling wings level and hit the target. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Han,
Popup = pitching the nose up. In Vidar's case a 30 degree climb while aquiring a target.

WV