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FlightOfOctober
12-25-2008, 03:08 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">im a new player to IL-2 so i have no clue about the game. But i know some stuff but not alot. Around the forums ive bin looking for ways to stop the plane from drifting to the side or from going up or down. ive heard about trim, ive tried it out and i think its ok, itsa not the best cause you gotta keep adjusting it, and then i heard about ppl just using a joystick to just work with the drifts up and to the sides. the joystick choice sounds better and easier for a new player, but is it? before i choose to go with joystick i wanna know how it is, so if you can post your opinion, thanks</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FlightOfOctober
12-25-2008, 03:08 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">im a new player to IL-2 so i have no clue about the game. But i know some stuff but not alot. Around the forums ive bin looking for ways to stop the plane from drifting to the side or from going up or down. ive heard about trim, ive tried it out and i think its ok, itsa not the best cause you gotta keep adjusting it, and then i heard about ppl just using a joystick to just work with the drifts up and to the sides. the joystick choice sounds better and easier for a new player, but is it? before i choose to go with joystick i wanna know how it is, so if you can post your opinion, thanks</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

K_Freddie
12-25-2008, 03:14 PM
Hmmm Do you like red writing ? Coz i cannot for sh...t see the stuff against a grey background http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Yes - Only works BEST with a joystick, not to mention Pedals and Track IR....
This (4MB) (http://www.vanjast.com/IL2Movies/FWHighWay.avi) is what it allows you to do... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FlightOfOctober
12-25-2008, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Hmmm Do you like red writing ? Coz i cannot for sh...t see the stuff against a grey background http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Yes - Only works BEST with a joystick, not to mention Pedals and Track IR....
This (4MB) (http://www.vanjast.com/IL2Movies/FWHighWay.avi) is what it allows you to do... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

whats a tracking IR, and how do pedals help? and what helps me do what? (This (4MB)[/URL] is what it allows you to do... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif) what does that mean? lol

Stingray333
12-25-2008, 03:59 PM
Yes, trim is something that must be constantly adjusted. Your trim depends on attitude, altitude and airspeed and it always needs some tweeking to maintain "hands off flight", where you can let go of the joystick and the plane will continue to fly perfectly straight and level. It takes practice so keep at it. One tip is to have your trim controls easily accessible. Elevator trim is the one that gets adjusted the most, so have it easily accessible, preferably on your joystick. Roll and yaw trim can be assigned to the keyboard, or onto rotaries on your joystick should you be lucky enough to have a fancy flight stick, or mapped to controls on the keyboard. Default mappings for trim on the keyboard are something like cntrl+arrow keys, so it is easier to simply just map them to the arrow keys so that they are easier to access when you need them. Usually yaw and roll trim don't need to be adjusted as often, and many planes you cannot adjust them, and the planes are designed in the factory to be "trim" for cruising speeds at a certain altitude,

Stingray

JG52Uther
12-25-2008, 04:03 PM
New to the game with no idea about il2?
Read this guide by Bearcat,it will tell you pretty much everyhting you need to know:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9121094645

FlightOfOctober
12-25-2008, 06:41 PM
sooo, what are the pedals for and whats track IR? lol

DD_crash
12-26-2008, 05:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlightOfOctober:
sooo, what are the pedals for and whats track IR? lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Pedals control rudder and TrackIR helps you to view better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Sun_Ra
12-26-2008, 06:34 AM
Try mapping elevator trim to your mouse wheel. A few clicks up or down and your in business. Feels natural to me. I fly with the mouse on my left near the HOTAS throttle. Also can map rear gunner to one mouse button and the other mouse button to change gunner postitions. This way you can jump from seat to seat firing at the enemy while flying with your right hand on the stick.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-26-2008, 09:19 AM
This game simply must be played with a joystick. If you could fly a real plane with a keyboard and mouse that's what would be in the cockpit.

FlightOfOctober
12-26-2008, 01:32 PM
lol, you have a point there, boxing day sales better have sticks on sale, lmao

horseback
12-26-2008, 06:43 PM
To fully appreciate this game/simulator, you need three major goodies:

1. A joystick. This allows you control your elevators and ailerons. Many joysticks today also have a twist axis, which allows you some control of the rudder(s), but it's clumsy and counterintuitive at best, so what you REALLY want are...

2. Rudder pedals. These allow you to control your rudder with your feet, which is why God game them to you. Your hands are going to be fully occupied with the joystick, so you should use your feet to achieve coordinated flight and help keep your nose pointed in the direction you are flying.

3. TrackIR. This allows you to control the direction you're 'looking' without all the fumbling about with a POV hat on your stick (which is for controlling your elevators and ailerons, not your eyes). Once installed, you can move the screen's presentation left, right, up, down and around with the slightest movement of your head without taking your eyes off the screen. It's very easy to use, and makes the Wonder Woman (no cockpit) view pretty much a waste of time.

cheers

horseback

FlightOfOctober
12-26-2008, 09:04 PM
thnx horseback, thats actually making me understand alot of stuff, and the trackIR sounds great, i keep on having to use my mouse for a smooth view cause my sticks view controls are jolty and can be used for better things

AlexColorado
12-26-2008, 09:54 PM
Here is a link to TrackIR:
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

weirpaul
12-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Before I got myself an IR tracker, I used the mini joystick on the throttle unit of my Saitek X52-Pro. The mini joystick is under your left thumb and emulates the mouse position. I found that gave good view control, with the nearby button (emulates the mouse left click) to centre my point of view. However I found the IR tracker to be a quantum leap in view control.

The IR tracker consists of a small unit that sits on top of your monitor that tracks the position of either a reflector clipped to a baseball cap or a unit clipped to your headphones. In IL-2 it only responds to up-down and left-right (IL-2 limitation) head movement, so some other control must be used to zoom in and out.

For flight control I use Saitek pedals and X52 Pro Joystick and Throttle unit and cannot recommend them high enough. On the X52 there are enough buttons, rotaries, sliders and hat switches to cover nearly every thing short of complex management (even then might cover some of that). Their pedals are fairly standard and have the same functions as CH's pedals (rudder left-right, left toe brake and right toe brake). Have a look at their site or look at one in your local shop. Other manufacturers do similar kit (CH comes to mind) but I have found my choice to be good, robust and value for money.

Good HOTAS (Hands on Throttle and Stick) makes flying a sim much easier (as in a real plane) and after a bit of adjustment you will find yourself spending much less time fighting your controls and more the enemy aircraft. If pressed for cash get a really good HOTAS first then get the Track IR.

FlightOfOctober
12-26-2008, 10:48 PM
i have the saitek AVIATOR, its the bgest one in the local stores, ill probably order some stuff online if i have to, i rly want to try getting into this game, the joystick by itself improved my gameplay, i cant imagine how much better it can be with trackIR and pedals, ill probably w8 awhile b4 getting a better stick though, because this one is good enough to start with.

K_Freddie
12-27-2008, 12:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlightOfOctober:
what does that mean? lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I just allows you to point the plane in the direction that you want to go..
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