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TAW_Oilburner
03-03-2007, 11:39 AM
http://www.yamato-movie.jp/

It looks like it was released last year as far as I can tell. If anybody can read Japanese and browse the site I'm curious..I'd love to see the movie.

TAW_Oilburner
03-03-2007, 11:39 AM
http://www.yamato-movie.jp/

It looks like it was released last year as far as I can tell. If anybody can read Japanese and browse the site I'm curious..I'd love to see the movie.

TAW_Oilburner
03-03-2007, 11:49 AM
Found it on ebay and bought it...i'll post after I watch it.

Chris0382
03-03-2007, 05:32 PM
Did that battleship do much during the war. I clinked on the link and there wasnt much there at all. Looks like the anime version.

As for the actual movie.

Its getting ok reviews (cant say great)(see link below) as there must be an interesting story behinde the ship and its fatal last mission.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451845/usercomments

Esel1964
03-03-2007, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris0382:
"...as there must be an interesting story behinde the ship and its fatal last mission."
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be putting it mildly! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Vipez-
03-03-2007, 08:24 PM
Watched it recently, I have to say it was a disappointment as a movie for me. A honest effort, worthwhile viewing but without any real greatness.

Still beats the **** out of Pearl Harbor though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chris0382
03-03-2007, 08:29 PM
Looks like Hollywood got the best of it ?

Esel1964
03-03-2007, 08:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vipez-:
Watched it recently, I have to say it was a disappointment as a movie for me. A honest effort, worthwhile viewing but without any real greatness.

Still beats the **** out of Pearl Harbor though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's very easily done... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Waldo.Pepper
03-03-2007, 09:36 PM
I found it kind of disappointing. Lots and lots of character development with too much backstory. If you need a lot of explosions in your movies you should look elsewhere.

leitmotiv
03-03-2007, 10:00 PM
'Ere yer go, you probably need a universal DVD player to watch it (I have one). This version has English subtitles. I bought the Japanese version last summer---it did not have English. If you are fond of dreadnoughts, as I am, you will enjoy the film.

<A HREF="http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-c/section-videos/pid-1004513814/" TARGET=_blank>http://
us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/code-c/section-videos/pid-1004513814/</A>

http://www.vspg.net/museum/10_1yamato/yamato-2.jpg

Esel1964
03-03-2007, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
'Ere yer go, you probably need a universal DVD player to watch it (I have one). This version has English subtitles. I bought the Japanese version last summer---it did not have English. If you are fond of dreadnoughts, as I am, you will enjoy the film.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now,that's a model. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fully agree with you on the "all zone" DVD's,got one and love it.

TC_Stele
03-04-2007, 08:16 AM
It had english subtitles, right? I recently rented the movie but to my surprise it wasn't a licensed version and didn't have english subtitles. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

RSS-Martin
03-04-2007, 08:34 AM
There are two versions of the film,
one the original version Japanese only, the second printed in Hong Kong Japanese but with English sub titels. The film is also in parts viewable on youtube for those not certain if they wish to buy it.
By the way this April there is another interesting movie coming out in Japan. It is about those special attack units. Translated the titel is "I die not for the emporer but for you" the trailers look promising! Like the Ki61´s one gets to see there very much!
http://www.chiran1945.jp/

BillyTheKid_22
03-04-2007, 09:34 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">YAMATO</span> movie!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
03-04-2007, 10:10 AM
The Kamikaze film is already being covered by the Western press. It appears to be a complete falsification of the whole program showing, with only one exception, happy fanatics ready to die for Japan ignoring the small detail that most Kamikaze crews were conscripted, not volunteers, and most were not pleased. It also shows oodles of special effects of beautifully rendered Japanese airplanes making beautifully rendered damage on US Navy ships when, actually, most Kamikaze deep-sixed without effect. Yuck.

BfHeFwMe
03-04-2007, 10:58 AM
Well, not really, they caused over 10,000 Naval casualties.

leitmotiv
03-04-2007, 11:04 AM
They failed in their mission to destroy the invasion fleet off Okinawa, they failed to prevent Task Force 58 (the fast carriers) from operating right off the coast of Japan in 1945. Most of the Kamikaze aircraft missed or hit targets of no consequence like picket destroyers. They needed to be decisive and they were not. Where did you get that figure out of curiosity?

Dagnabit
03-04-2007, 12:18 PM
I was just reading that out of about 2,500 Kamakazi, only around 850 struck targets of varying importance. Also many missed because they got to going too fast and locked up their controls. Others returned to base unable to find a target.
Years ago I heard stories of these aircraft having landing gear that they jettisoned, and others where pilots were only given enough gas for a one way trip.
I think Ill look into this some more.

leitmotiv
03-04-2007, 01:16 PM
The best source on the Kamikaze operations remains (with statistical tables in the appendixes which are very revealing about their inability to hit targets of value):

THE DIVINE WIND. Rikihei Inoguchi, Tadashi Nakajima, and Roger Pineau. United States Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, 1994 (current edition).

Many attacked irrelevant targets such as picket destroyers. Some believe the depressed conscripts just wanted to end their agony. The reason for near misses some believe was do to a very human reaction---the pilots likely closed their eyes as they rushed at the target. At least one Kamikaze was observed to have his eyes shut as he roared by an American ship. The stories about jettisoned landing gear etc are just stories. The most powerful force acting on these youngsters was the shame culture of Japan. If they had returned, they would have betrayed their families. This was unbearable. Furthermore, some did return when they couldn't find targets. Saburo Sakai brought back a Kamikaze unit because he believed there were too many American aircraft for the mission to succeed. The airplanes were filled to the top with gas---the gasoline was a primary weapon against the targets.

Waldo.Pepper
03-04-2007, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If they had returned, they would have betrayed their families. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is false and is proved false by the Sakai story you related in your next sentence, as it depends heavily on WHY they would be returning. Also IIRC (and I may of course be quite wrong as it has been a few years since I read Sakai) I thought that Sakai had stated that he returned with his fledgeling pilots due to bad weather and not too many defending aircraft.

Judging the efficacy of the Special Attack Units is inherently problematic, especially if the analysis does not FIRST define the criteria for their success/failure.

If the criteria for success is that they had to save Japan from defeat (or some other impossible task) then they failed - miserably as well. They also failed to fly their Zero's )and other makes of aircraft) to Jupiter! They did not fail for any lack of effort or tactical failing. They failed because it was impossible for the Suicide attackers to save Japan from defeat.

Saving Japan from defeat was impossible because defeat was inevitable. The US was going to win, even if the Suicide attackers had prevented an invasion of the Japanese home islands, as an invasion would not be necessary for the US to win (even without the A-bomb). I think it reasonable to assume that the Japanese mainland could have been blockaded into submission - without invasion.

What does all this mean? It does not mean that the Suicide attackers were militarily useless. On the contrary the Suicide attacks were quite effective. Especially when viewed in the proper light. Consider the following: -- In comparison to the more conventional attacks practised up to that time I believe that the statistics will show that they were spectacullarly effective.

The best/most accurate book on the subject I have read is Suicide Weapon. In this book intangeable factors are also studied. The morale effect on the USN sailors is often overlooked. In addition to tangible ships sunk damaged etc. -- Suicide Weapon, has considered this also using surveys conducted by the USN on active duty sailors. The morale effect of the Suicide attackers was amazingly effective. I don't think 10000 casualties is too out of line. Of course it depends on how you define casualties I suppose. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Special Attack Units were a valid tactic, as the plight of the Pilots was a hopeless one anyway. If they fly active combat missions, they would die anyway. From their standpoint it was better to try and take some of the enemy with them.

As for the movie I too think it will be a sop for the Japanese revisionist and apologist community. But hey, it is their movie industry and they can do what they want with it, right?



EDIT Excuse me: the book I was referring to is correctly called Suicide Squads.

leitmotiv
03-04-2007, 02:22 PM
Afraid it isn't false. The ones who returned had extremely extenuating circumstances---Sakai's group was ambushed in inclement weather and nearly annihilated by fighters. Sakai's prestige made this retreat a special circumstance. Pilots who couldn't find targets were excused because the spotter aircraft sent along to tally the hits would vouch for them. The ones who did find targets were doomed. If the Kamikaze had been effective, the fast carriers would not have been sporting off the coast of Japan all through 1945 hammering Tokyo, Kure, and whatever they pleased. I don't deplore the Japanese making an ahistorical film to jack up national resolution when faced with China---the poor buggers are all doomed, let them do as they please. I do reserve the duty to be unimpressed by tosh.

Waldo.Pepper
03-04-2007, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If the Kamikaze had been effective </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Define "effective" please. If I understand you properly you contend effective means "denying the ability of Carriers to roam at will on the coast" and I of course agree. However, my point was that it depends on how you define effective. In my post I defined effective as, MORE effective than the conventional (I.E. bomb and torpedo attacks) that had been done up to the point when Suicide Attacks were endorsed.

It all depends on how you look at it.

Also I would be very interested in reading a source for the execution of returning Suicide Attackers. No saying it didn't happen as the Regime was the embodiment of barbarous. Just never heard of it. Also there are a number of biographies of Suicide Attackers (Pilots Kaiten operators etc) who returned that seem to dispute this.

TC_Stele
03-04-2007, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Saving Japan from defeat was impossible because defeat was inevitable. The US was going to win, even if the Suicide attackers had prevented an invasion of the Japanese home islands, as an invasion would not be necessary for the US to win (even without the A-bomb). I think it reasonable to assume that the Japanese mainland could have been blockaded into submission - without invasion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To blockade would have meant many more months to achieve that surrender; which meant that the air commanders would continue their bombing campaigns, something they wanted to continue in order to achieve Japan's submission. This would have meant more US soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines dying from military accidents. In July 1945 the military lost 4000 from accidents. The options were available at the time, and the US wanted to end the war immediately with no more losses of American soldiers.

Waldo.Pepper
03-04-2007, 06:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To blockade would have meant many more months to achieve that surrender; which meant that the air commanders would continue their bombing campaigns, something they wanted to continue in order to achieve Japan's submission. This would have meant more US soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines dying from military accidents. In July 1945 the military lost 4000 from accidents. The options were available at the time, and the US wanted to end the war immediately with no more losses of American soldiers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with every word. I said reasonable to assume. I did not say desireable. My point was to illustrate how hopeless was the Japanese position to assert that a mere blockade would in all likelyhood have affected a regime change.

darkhorizon11
03-04-2007, 09:44 PM
The Kamakaze issue was a 50/50 shot IMO. They defintely wouldn't have won the war, since well its a desperate defense tactic. But Japan knew that the Allied forces weren't to excited about having to invade their homeland, especially after the display resistance on Iwo and Okinawa. Plus the US government was running short on funds and economically strained, hence the atom bomb being the saving grace.

As for kamikazes, some were wishy washy about having to kill themselves for the emporer, but many were gung ho too. Remember when it was said and done 128 Allied ships had been sunk by kamikazes and thousands of sailors killed, including the carrier Saint-Lo? (I think it was called) which was destroyed by just one plane. Sacraficing one aircraft and pilot for the sinking of a carrier is more than acceptable losses. On the other hand your right, they did lose the war, but their plan was just to help the empire hold on. Remember that the American fleets at Iwo and Oka were over 1,000 ships to begin with so whether they used conventional or kamakaze attacks the Japanese were hopelessly outnumbered either way.

The kamakaze manual instructed their pilots to keep their eyes open when they struck ships and I'm sure they many kept their eyes closed, but many probably kept their eyes open too. Like I said, you can't simply judge every pilot's personality generically, some were very unnerved and depressed that they HAD to die for their emporer, while some were probably excited and felt honored. Remember, as the title of this movie states... many felt they were dying for their families not for their emporer. Modern wars and soldiers are given the same justification, they are doing it for their families and freedom. The Japanese were just raised much more fanatical devotion to their country, with their government being very much infused with their religious beliefs. Hence the Emporer being seen as a messenger of God. Completely unlike the US today.

Anyways I don't want to start a 10 page fight, and of course you can overlook and undermine their efforts in words... ultimately they did lose the war. But using the same justification, you can overlook the efforts of the German Luftwaffe (who did use psuedo kamakaze attacks on a few specific occasions), the Iraqi Republican Guard, and the Confederate States during the American Civil War. They may have lost but they all fought and had an affect on its outcome.

Waldo.Pepper
03-04-2007, 11:00 PM
A good website.

http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/index.htm

darkhorizon11
03-05-2007, 03:12 PM
thanks that is a good website