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Airmail109
05-24-2005, 04:21 PM
Sweet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://www.combatsim.com/story.php?id=347

Airmail109
05-24-2005, 04:21 PM
Sweet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://www.combatsim.com/story.php?id=347

zjulik
05-24-2005, 04:49 PM
>>>"The Mighty Eighth" will include 1) brand new Total European Continent,
That might not be such a bad idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

FI-Aflak
05-24-2005, 05:21 PM
" great atmospheric, weather, lighting, and storm special effects"

this is where modern flight sims are a little lacking. LOMAC is good, but still.

The new clouds in the 4.0 patch look nice, but still . .

FB+AEP+PF with a fantastic atmosphere rendering system would be amazing.

I have high hopes for this game.

Bearcat99
05-24-2005, 07:31 PM
It's good that this is coming out now. It gives 1C an idea of what the competition will be up to.

lbhskier37
05-24-2005, 09:20 PM
"...expected for release in 2007 for PC, Mac, and possibly consoles."

Do they even make joysticks for Macs, let alone consoles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TAGERT.
05-24-2005, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
Sweet! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

http://www.combatsim.com/story.php?id=347 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Warbrids does good stuff... Could give Oleg a run for his money

Badsight.
05-24-2005, 10:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
"...expected for release in 2007 for PC, Mac, and possibly consoles."

Do they even make joysticks for Macs, let alone consoles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>for Xbox specifically
http://img188.echo.cx/img188/6744/xboxjoystick8an.jpg

& Saitek released the X36 as part of a combo package with Ace Combat 5

http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/48/a7/488806-elec_lg-resized200.jpg

Takata_
05-24-2005, 10:30 PM
I'm just bored of WW2 sims in Europe with campaign starting from year 1942... Why is everybody always doing and doing again the same thing ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Takata

Xnomad
05-24-2005, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
"...expected for release in 2007 for PC, Mac, and possibly consoles."

Do they even make joysticks for Macs, let alone consoles http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes Mac's have been using CH sticks for many many years now. I used to be a Mac addict but was forced to go to PC as I'm in IT.

I used to fly the orignal Falcon 1.0 (I think it was only available on Amiga and Mac at that time) and the F/A 18, F/A 18 Korea and A-10 and A-10 Cuba on the Mac there was also MS Flight Simulator but MS didn't continue to release new versions for the Mac as they did with the PC.

Nevertheless I wouldn't want to game on a Mac the customisaton and peripheral choices are very poor my flatmate has one and the graphics on his iMac look like they are 10 years old, he's stuggling to get good frames on SOF II http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG54_Arnie
05-25-2005, 12:50 AM
Hmm, they think they have their award in the pocket already (what if Bob comes out in 2007? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif ). Was their previous work any good?

-HH-Quazi
05-25-2005, 01:20 AM
Probably another arcade shootem up like the rest of them. About as useless as tits on a bull to me, and this is just a personal opinion.

Troll2k
05-25-2005, 01:21 AM
I wonder if it is going to be pay to play.Like their Warbirds 2005 is now.

IAFS_Painter
05-25-2005, 07:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Takata_:
I'm just bored of WW2 sims in Europe with campaign starting from year 1942... Why is everybody always doing and doing again the same thing ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Takata </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I agree with you, marketing pressure will push the early years onto the back-burner.
The biggest paying market didn't enter the war until 1941, with 1942 being the first year they had much chance to slug it out.


There are some intersting inter-war conflicts, eg Spain (1936), that would be good to see.

WTE_Ibis
05-25-2005, 07:16 AM
The future for our passion looks better and better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Aaron_GT
05-25-2005, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Warbrids does good stuff... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They used to. These days Wabirds III/2004 is characterised by better graphics and weather than Aces High but questionable sound and very few players. FMs are much of a muchness.

Capt._Tenneal
05-25-2005, 07:46 AM
Like Airmail, I'm glad that this shows that flight sims are not all that dead yet.

Like Bearcat, I'm glad that the competition is coming out now with this and the Rowan's BoB II. Maybe it will push 1C:Maddox not to be complacent.

Like Takata, I say, meh..... Western Europe again &lt;snooze&gt;. Call me when someone goes back to the Eastern front or the Med or the Pacific or Finland or the Balkans...you know -- the Forgotten Battles.

stubby
05-25-2005, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2) brand new communications abilities between players and artificial intelligence controlled vehicles </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. Could this mean voice recognition technology in the game! THe press release talks about immersion and one key thing I've been preaching about is not having to use a serious of combersome keystrokes to beg your AI buddies to help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I know I could use Shoot for IL2 but **** man, I want that stuff bundled in from the get go. I'm no rocket scientists and shoot requires a PhD in EE.

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-25-2005, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Best Flight Simulation of the Year, 2007 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WHHHHOOOOO Maddox, you should be scared for BoB!!!!!

VF51_Flatspin
05-25-2005, 09:26 AM
Interesting that the screenshot at the top is from PF.

Takata_
05-25-2005, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IAFS_Painter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Takata_:
I'm just bored of WW2 sims in Europe with campaign starting from year 1942... Why is everybody always doing and doing again the same thing ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Takata </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
While I agree with you, marketing pressure will push the early years onto the back-burner.
The biggest paying market didn't enter the war until 1941, with 1942 being the first year they had much chance to slug it out.
There are some intersting inter-war conflicts, eg Spain (1936), that would be good to see. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what about marketing pressure from Europe?
It is not to start a new Euro/US war, but, if you look at the respective market size, your statement is not true.

2004 software sales, Data from Business Software Alliance:
- USA 2004 -&gt; 34 313 Billion
- EU 2004 -&gt; 34,717 Billion

So what ? And this figure is for European Union only, and As you may know, it's not all European contries.

I'm just pointing it's again a product designed with the US market only in mind, and it is not fair because it is the same storytelling, the same casting, the same production, etc.

I've already see this movie more than once, and it's boring now.

And why you US guys are only bying products designed around your "point of vue"?

Look at Il-2 + FB + AEP + PF. The whole serie is not saling very well in the States, because it's not only about US actions.

Look at me, I'm French and the producer of this game is French too. How many French plane flyable ? none.

And this is not a problem for us, we are dealing with that without flooding the forum with tons of post about it.

Do you know that the Battle of France and the low countries in 1940 was the largest Air Battle fougth by the Luftwaffe in WW2? Do you know it was not a one sided situation, both side had teeth and both side sufferred high casualities in 45 days of thought air battles involving more Luftwaffe planes than during the Battle of Britain or even Barbarossa.

What about playing on the axis side? If it start in 1942, aren't you just missing 3-5 years of great air combats? (including Spain civil war wilch is part of WW2).

What about Italian battles, the mediterranean theatre? No interest for that on the other side of the atlantic?

I'm speaking for myself, but flying only for your own country is a boring entertainment, as well as flying the same battle, with the same color above the same place.

Takata

LeadSpitter_
05-25-2005, 09:44 AM
the warbirds series was great for thier time, 1000 player servers, graphics are on the shady side but runs smooth with such a large ammount of players. Fms were done pretty good i thought, still no sim gives a somewhat realistic feel except xplane 8 and i bee told there is some soaring sim that has very realistic flight dynamics.


I had free cards for a few months with wb wbii wbiii but did not stick around becuase of it being pay to play. It makes me wonder if the 2007 one will be, most likely.

Im happy to see some competition for bob maybe making the product better, the more good wwii flight sims the better.

Aaron_GT
05-25-2005, 09:49 AM
As long as it is competition that spurs 1C's BoB onto better things that is good. If it turns out that the fairly limited market gets crowded and none of the fringe players (GMX, 1C, iEN) make a profit then it will only benefit Microsoft. So it makes me a bit nervous.

I was a big fan of WB 2.7 5 years ago. It was the best thing going. But WB III took a long time to come out and had an unfinished feel to it (UI is clunky, sound is crackly).

-HH-Quazi
05-25-2005, 09:56 AM
I can't believe that people pay $$$ to play or fly against other peolple. Isn't that what we do on HL with better servers and a more realistic looking sim that has ac that are actually closely modeled to the real world ac FM's/DM's, that flew in WWII? Every now and then, I see that Aces High commercial and I laugh looking at the graphics they show. I guess someone is making money doing it. They have to pay for the commercials somehow. I might even do the two week trial to see if it is as ridiculous as it looks.

Airmail109
05-25-2005, 10:05 AM
The next microsft flight simulator is likely to come out on the xbox 360. It only makes sense.....the machine boasts huge amounts of power. 3 cpus running at 3.2 ghz....hmmmmmmmm. The xbox 360 would be a great platform for flight sims as they are so processor intensive. If we can purswade CH to make sticks or pedals for the xbox 360 im all for having flight sims on it. It would allow flight sims to go to the next level.

With BOB II, The Mighty Eighth, and Olegs BOB I truly believe we are seeing the comeback of flight sims! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

diomedes33
05-25-2005, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Takata_:
And why you US guys are only bying products designed around your "point of vue"?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you actually believe this or are you trying to insight another the World vs America riot?

I'm an American and there are three games that I devote serious time to.
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Il2/FB/AEP - I fly mostly Fw-190s, I pick up a P-47 or P-39 occasionally but the 190 is my ride. I bought it originally because of rave reviews, had a 109 flyable (always been a favorite) and a war front that my teachers only spent 15 minutes on in school.
<LI>Lomac - I fly the F-15 and Su-27 equally. I bought the sim because it was cutting edge. I didn't really care what planes were in it. I enjoy flying all of them.
<LI>Silent Hunter III - exclusively German, I enjoy the much more strategic side of the game.
[/list]

I can honestly say that nationalities represented in the games was never a factor in my decision to purchase them. I also know that I'm not the exception. There are many Americans that I've flown with that fly other nationalities and even more that fly all of them.

I normally wouldn't even respond to this post, but I'm tired of people making gross generalizations and lumping me into somesort of American fantasy stereo-type.

Ok I'm off my soap box, I don't want to hijack your thread aimail101, but that post got under my skin a bit.

faustnik
05-25-2005, 11:37 AM
Many of us dedicated Fw190 flyers are American. Don't know what you're talking about Takata?

|CoB|_Spectre
05-25-2005, 02:08 PM
This is a strange announcement when you recall Shockwave Productions' news release back in November of last year saying they'd licensed the rights to B-17 II The Mighty Eighth. Originally developed by Wayward Studios, it was to be published by Microprose which was bought-out by Hasbro who decided to rush the project to market without multiplayer capability. Sales were disappointing and Atari wound up holding the rights. Shockwave said they were making multiplayer a priority and, since gameplay was already very good, they were focusing on upgrades to graphics, etc. I hope somebody re-releases it with upgrades, but at this point I wouldn't want to bet on who'll do it.

Takata_
05-25-2005, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Many of us dedicated Fw190 flyers are American. Don't know what you're talking about Takata? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course Faustnik and Diomedes33, I was not talking about all our US pilots here in IL-2.

This post is about the incorrect statement that to be successfull, a WW2 sim has to be formated for the "US market" and the "US average customer".

And I apologies to all US guys around, it was a little bit too generalized.

but, fact :

- IL-2 FB is a good proof that it's possible to be succesfull in the sim market without formating the product with this "US perspective". (like the "Mighty Eight" is planned to be)

- IL-2 FB is a good proof that the average US customer in the States is not so interested. Sales for the serie in the States are well below the level of the market size.

- Online gaming at European time is much bigger (4-5 times) than the one at US time. (I flew online in CFS2, it was the opposite, we had much more players from the States than from anywhere else).

- Can you see what I mean ?

Takata


(edit)- and I'll add something :

This "kind of rant" was not directed versus any US customers.

I'm pretty sure that everybody interested in History may find an interest with all the war theaters, no matter of their nationality.

This ranting was addressed to sim-makers who are doing and re-doing again the same boring things.

REDHAWK_1
05-25-2005, 08:51 PM
If its by IENT then I wouldnt waste my money on it. They did a sim for the History Chennel called Battle Of Britian and it was a big flop because of the bugs in it. IENT makes the worst Combat Flight Sims. Warbirds 3 or is it now Warbirds 2005 is the worst Air Combat Flight Sim ever made, it makes CFS3 look good.