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psycho.sparty
12-31-2006, 06:58 AM
Hey guys, I'd like to upgrade my rather crappy PC in the best way possible, what would you suggest?

Here's my PC specs:
eMachines T2542(blah)


MB: MB,IMPERIAL-GV (845GV
Chassis: Chassis, Nexgen 2 main chassis frame
CPU Fan Type: Fan,H/S Cel-P4 2.6 462P
CPU: CPU,CELERON 2.5G 478P 128K F400
FDD Model: FDD, SFD-321B/LTGNQ
Power Supply: PS, 250 watt
HDD: HDD, 40GB 5400rpm WD + 100GB Maxtor external
CD: 48X CDRW (48X24X48
Memory: 1GB Kingston PC2700 (2x512)
GPU: Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 (PCI)

I was considering going with a new GPU, since that would probably be the cheapest and most effective way to get a little bit more out of this PC, but I do intend on building a new PC, so what would be a decent card that I could put into a new PC and still be ok without upgrading for a while?

If you would suggest upgrading anything other than the GPU then please say so, that's just my idea right now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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psycho.sparty
12-31-2006, 06:58 AM
Hey guys, I'd like to upgrade my rather crappy PC in the best way possible, what would you suggest?

Here's my PC specs:
eMachines T2542(blah)


MB: MB,IMPERIAL-GV (845GV
Chassis: Chassis, Nexgen 2 main chassis frame
CPU Fan Type: Fan,H/S Cel-P4 2.6 462P
CPU: CPU,CELERON 2.5G 478P 128K F400
FDD Model: FDD, SFD-321B/LTGNQ
Power Supply: PS, 250 watt
HDD: HDD, 40GB 5400rpm WD + 100GB Maxtor external
CD: 48X CDRW (48X24X48
Memory: 1GB Kingston PC2700 (2x512)
GPU: Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 (PCI)

I was considering going with a new GPU, since that would probably be the cheapest and most effective way to get a little bit more out of this PC, but I do intend on building a new PC, so what would be a decent card that I could put into a new PC and still be ok without upgrading for a while?

If you would suggest upgrading anything other than the GPU then please say so, that's just my idea right now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-31-2006, 08:29 AM
If it doesnt have an AGP slot then definitely get a new computer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
12-31-2006, 08:57 AM
Psycho...given what you have there (its an eMachines after all) I think you may be better served by saving up for a new computer.

Here's some problems.

1) CPU: The Celeron has never been a very good CPU solution for gaming. Its fine for the very average computer user with no significant demands but its not going to scale well. So if you get a better video card then the CPU will be holding you back the whole time.

2) Power Supply: Its only 250 watts. Thats bare minimum. If you put in a more powerful CPU or Video card you'll exceed what this PSU is capable of and either cause system instability or outright blow the supply out. Which is bad...I've seen it before http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3) Video card: The FX 5200 was never a blazing fast card. Biggest problem I see here is that you've stated its a PCI card. Be doubly sure...is it a PCI or PCI Express card? Fairly big difference. Anyways...if its PCI...you're pretty much done for in terms of finding another card that is better in any noticeable way. PCI for video cards has long since gone the way of the dodo. Even its replacement, AGP, which has had a long run over the last 8 years or so, is done for. PCI Express is here and likely to stay for a while.

eMachines are known for putting together some really nice deals...but at the expense of basically any hope of upgrading to more current technology or having any room for extra performance in the first place.

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Xiolablu3
12-31-2006, 09:15 AM
I am pretty sure it wont have a PCI Express slot, Ice.

His only luck is if it has an AGP slot. If it does then get a Geforce 6800 or X800 card, you will notice a MASSIVE speedboost over your 5200.

However if you only have a PCI (old style) slot, then you are out of luckk. PCI is very very old and very very slow, you may be able to get a better PCI card, but it will be like trying to fill a swimming pool with a hose pipe. IE even if the card is fast, the bandwidth is so small to get to the card, the whole system is slowed down.

You need a wider hose pipe, which is what AGP or even better PCI Express are.

DOnt bother upgrading if you only have a PCI slot,go for a new system, or at least a new motherboard with AGP or PCI Express.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
12-31-2006, 09:19 AM
Looking at what you have and no expert by far, you MUST also bump your Power Supply up considerably....Personally i'm of the "build your own/pay virtually nothing to have another do it" belief....Initially thinking "ah, new MB+CPU+Graphics Card & can squeek through"....Trouble is that PS, and bet you have little in the way of cooling as well.

You could however find a case & PS + MB & CPU + inexpensive (6600) GC and get by just fine.

I say get by as you'll need much more for BoB...Trouble is no one knows what, or what advancements will be made by then....So I'd take the modest route for now if I was you and save the rest of your pennies for the next one.

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heywooood
12-31-2006, 09:38 AM
yeah - you need a new PC stat (that means right away in a hospital)

Follow the LEBillfishies' advice and get a good, basic one now - so you can still afford to upgrade for BoB and KotS later....

A good box with at least 500w PSU

Solid Mobo with 939 pin and CPU like an AMD 3500+ or better...dual core is good.

PCIe connections and a 6600gt or better card

a quality sound card like SB live Platinum

at least 1 gig RAM (2 gigs is better)

and then you have a good base unit to expand on. ..it might get you through the first year or so of BoB and KotS with upgrades befor you have to get a whole new rig and by that time - you will know exactly what to get.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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psycho.sparty
12-31-2006, 11:03 AM
Thanks guys. Yes, I do have an AGP slot, why I got the PCI card is beyond me now, but that was quite a while ago. I do intend to build a new computer as soon as I can, so from what you all suggest I will probably just wait it out until then. Thanks guys!

One more question though, I've been finding a lot of ways to increase performance of the game on lower end PCs, do you guys have anything in particular that you use or know of?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-31-2006, 02:00 PM
Mate you should definitely get a new AGP gfx card, your CPU is fine for game at the moent and a 6800GT or similar for ??100 or less will give you a MASSIVE performance boost, honestly.


A 6800GT or 6800GS will give you another good 6-8 months of great gaming performance, and if you have been happy with a PCI 5200, you will get a massive difference with a new card.

I am a great beliver in not upgrading until you need to and althought hte Celeron is not fatastic, is still OK for games if combined with a nice gfx card.

Buy a new card, and a new power supply. They are easy to fit, and you will get another 6-8 months of good gaming with that system. Upgrade when BOB comes out.

If you really wnat to get a new system then by all means spend ??600, but I really dont think you need to yet. ??100 will get you a good gaming machine.

My system is a AMD 2500+ (1.9ghz), 1gb Ram, Geforce 5900 Ultra, SOundblaster live!, and it plays almost all games very well at medium settings. With a 6800GT/GS or better your system should play all current games, and well into 2007 for much less money.

5200 PCI to 6800GT/GS AGP will blow your mind when you see the difference. GPU is more important than CPU for gaming and your celeron is still good for a while yet.

A soundblaster live off ebay would be good too if you are using onboard sound. You can pick them up for about ??3 on ebay now, and that will give you a good little hardware soundcard for no menoy at all.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bearcat99
12-31-2006, 09:25 PM
Take $200 and go here (http://www.pricewatch.com/). Get at least a 450W PS and a minimum GF6600AGP and aybe an Audigy sound card and suck it up as far as that rig is concerned. Dont drop another dime in it if you don't have to and don't bother to upgrade further for now. You can do all that for $200 at the site I posted give or take $25. That should be sufficient to play this sim at decent settings and get decent frames. Your RAM & processor though not the best are certainly adequate.

Start to save your money and do your homework on a new rig for BoB. It makes no sense to spend a lot for an upgrade now if you don't have to.. you will only have to do it again for real in 12-18 months if you want to enjoy BoB because that rig most likely wont cut it.

Consider building your own rig for BoB. The satisfaction and confidence you will get from doing that is priceless. Take your time, do your homework.. ask lots of questions and plan the new rig to be forward compatible. What is todays blazing, costly tech will be lower in price tomorrow. My 2 cents.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-31-2006, 09:35 PM
Just tell me how much you are willing to spend. Once we know that most here can help you configure a good pc for the price. If you live in the US I suggest getting all your parts from www.newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-31-2006, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Mate you should definitely get a new AGP gfx card, your CPU is fine for game at the moent and a 6800GT or similar for ??100 or less will give you a MASSIVE performance boost, honestly.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And power supply. As mentioned above, 250W just wont cut it with any sort of performance components.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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psycho.sparty
12-31-2006, 11:40 PM
Honestly, I'm only willing/able to spend about $100-125. I know that is not a lot and probably not enough though, so I'll probably hold off a little. Any ideas on what I could buy now that could be reusable if I build a new PC? I'll definitely need a new power supply. I'm trying to get some details on my motherboard, but I'm not finding much. I am pretty sure this thing has an AGP slot, but I'd like to bet 100% on that before I go buying something. Upgrading memory would be a waste, I'll go for newer stuff in a new PC, same with the processor.

Well, I'll keep all of this in mind and start looking around for new gear.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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badatit
01-01-2007, 03:41 AM
I looked up your emachine.
I found some upgrade parts, but went over budgit.

First a replacement mainboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813138262)

Second a graphics card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814195027)

Third a Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817193012)

The GPU calls for a 300watt P/S, yours is a 250watt, unless you have upgraded it.
Your 250watt may work. But may be problomatic as well.

This would be an inexpensive "killer" performance upgrade compared to what your running now.
Good luck

Edit:This should hold you over till BOB comes out. With a Slick OS, and if you dont mind running at 1024x768@32bit set to excellant water=1 or 0. With a few config.ini tweaks, it should run the blackdeath track in the mid to upper twenties.
The bottle neck will be your cpu/RAM/5400rpmHD. But with things the way they are, upgrading anything other than listed above would be a waste of money (except for maybe an inexpensive soundcard).
Basically if you want to go any further than this, your looking at a PCI-Express mainboard, new cpu, PCI-Express video card, RAM, new SATAII hard drives,DVD, A new ATX case, new &gt;50.00 Power supply.
Figure 800-900 bucks "minimum".
By the time BOB comes out, this years cutting edge hardware will be mature, and cost effective.

These folks wont steer you wrong.

badatit
01-01-2007, 05:18 AM
After re-reading through these posts, I see you say that you "do" have an AGP slot.
The emachine sight for that make and model suggest a 9250pci card as an upgrade.hmmm.intresting.

If indeed you do have an AGP slot, forget the mainboard upgrade and get something like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161053) or thsi (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102057) but you'll need at least (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817708002) a 350watt power supply

badatit
01-01-2007, 05:43 AM
Is this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200044354549) your mainboard? If so, it has no AGP.

psycho.sparty
01-01-2007, 08:37 AM
Yep, never mind, that's it. Badatit, I'll definitely look into what you suggest. That's not much over what I'm willing to spend so I can stretch a little to get it.

I may just hold off all together and wait it out. I can run the game ok right now, just not great. What would you guys suggest for a comp that could hopefully be upgradeable to BoB standards?

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badatit
01-01-2007, 09:59 AM
Hard to say what's gonna be needed for BOB. Oleg his self wont even comment on that (except to say he's not sure).
I stand by my original post.
But after attacking it with a calculator it's gonna come to 158.92US with quoted s/h.

The BIOSTAR P4M80-M4 mainboard I havent tried myself. But did do a very similar upgrade for a buddy of mine.
The board I used for his upgrade sported the exact same Via chipset as this BIOSTAR P4M80-M4.
Only thing I didnt like about it was (like this Biostar) it had no AGP/PCI lock (that made over

psycho.sparty
01-01-2007, 12:39 PM
Thanks man, I'll keep it in mind, definitely considering it. I'll either do as you suggest or just build a whole new system that I can hopefully upgrade later.

$159 +S/H is still a price I can reach, so no worries there right now.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-01-2007, 05:53 PM
I would start with a good PSU, one that I could transfer over to a knew rig when I built it. I think it is worthwhile spending a little more on a good one as it can save you a lot of headaches down the road. Here is an excellent one and is the best price I have seen on it in a while. Just MHO though. Antec (http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4653878;jsessionid=VEk1UKvvPu27Y4KVqGmzKg**.node1? site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)