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blackpulpit1970
02-16-2006, 12:43 PM
How many use this sight on the mustang and how do you like it.

blackpulpit1970
02-16-2006, 12:43 PM
How many use this sight on the mustang and how do you like it.

georgeo76
02-16-2006, 12:51 PM
I use, and love it

JG5_UnKle
02-16-2006, 12:53 PM
I find it great for high-speed hunt-downs of fast drag-n-bag opportunities.

Jolly good for that, I like fixed+gyro

jds1978
02-16-2006, 01:01 PM
took me a bit to get used to, but it is now an essential part of the mustang experience

FatBoyHK
02-16-2006, 01:02 PM
since the release of v4 I don't use it anymore. K-14 need some time to stabize itself before it is accurate, to do that you need to stablize your plane first..but since v4 Mustangs (and all planes)are no longer stable. when you start to pull g your plane's nose will "wobble" up/down/left/right.... and the gyro sight will wobble around accordingly. So how to stablize it? pull a steady G, or don't pull G at all. In the first case, you can seldom do that unless you are attacking a bomber.... on the second case, you don't need K-14 at the first place http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-16-2006, 01:11 PM
i do, fixed + gryo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

blackpulpit1970
02-16-2006, 01:33 PM
Thats something i was curious about Fatboy because i have (still)the wobbles and when i turn the planes bounce everywere. Fatboy u still fly the P-51 exclusively and if so what is your thoughts about trying to help the wobble fix for the mustang.

danjama
02-16-2006, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i do, fixed + gryo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DaimonSyrius
02-16-2006, 02:01 PM
I use it. I like it. Fixed + Gyro.

Gyro distance settings (my own estimation, painstakingly checked against range icons in test flights):
.No clicks=200m
.Then, each button click increases by 10m

So for the range I use now (260m), I input 6 clicks when jumping into the cockpit.

Do others use the same values for range adjustment steps?

Cheers,
S.

Chuck_Older
02-16-2006, 03:37 PM
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you use it every time you fly the plane. Turning the gyro feature off doesn't transform it into an N-9

Treetop64
02-16-2006, 07:47 PM
Whoa!!!

What's the K-14 gyroscopic sight?! How do you activate it?!

First I'm hearing about this!

Tellmetellmetellmetellmetellme! Pleeeeeze! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Bearcat99
02-16-2006, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Treetop64:
Whoa!!!
What's the K-14 gyroscopic sight?! How do you activate it?!
First I'm hearing about this!
Tellmetellmetellmetellmetellme! Pleeeeeze! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO.. come down out of those trees... it works too... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Go to the controls.. gunsight/bombsigt.. set a key for sight distance and move right or left.. then go uo in a D-20 and fiddle with it..

Oh.... I use gyro and fixed too.. but I dont always use it.. and when I am not using it I turn it off.. it acually helps with deflection shooting if you use it with the fixed. After a while you begin to get a feel for the guns at certain angles,speeds etc... and in your mind you can imagine where the gyro sight may be.. and very often get hits while the bandit is under your nose.

p1ngu666
02-16-2006, 08:32 PM
the bombsite automation key i think.

the gryo and normal pipper just give u more informatation, if you can use that to your advantage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

FatBoyHK
02-17-2006, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blackpulpit1970:
Thats something i was curious about Fatboy because i have (still)the wobbles and when i turn the planes bounce everywere. Fatboy u still fly the P-51 exclusively and if so what is your thoughts about trying to help the wobble fix for the mustang. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

note that the "wobble" is related more to the rate of change of G, than to the actual amount of G being pulled. So if you pull you stick slowly, you can still do a very tight turn without very bad wobbling.

I started to fly 190 too and from it I learned one thing, that is to plan ahead my moves instead of doing everything right out of my brain. (Mainly becuase of the poor gunsight vis). If you can plan ahead you can pull G in a more controlled manner, you don't need to pull vigoriously but still be able to achieve a firing solution. In this way the nose won't wobble that badly, and this further simplify my aiming.

another tips I found just recently is to use filtering in the pitch axis (which reduce the rate of chnage of stick force). Just a little of it is good enough, I am experimenting 40 now, anything bigger than 50 won't be good.

Krizz1972
02-17-2006, 03:48 AM
Which planes have the K-14 Gunsight? Only the late mustangs?

DaimonSyrius
02-17-2006, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krizz1972:
Which planes have the K-14 Gunsight? Only the late mustangs? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only the P51D-20NA and the YP80 currently.

I believe that in real WWII, late P47 and P38 versions also got it too. Late Spitfires and Tempests had a different gyroscopic sight of British make, if I'm correct. Also, the Luftwaffe developed a gyro gunsight, but I understand it didn't quite reach an operative status (I believe).

Cheers,
S.

Kocur_
02-17-2006, 08:17 AM
Late P-47Ds, M, N and late Spitfires for sure. I suppose that once production of gyroscopic sights outpaced production of new planes, they were fitted to already existing earier ones too.

AFJ_Locust
02-17-2006, 08:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blackpulpit1970:
How many use this sight on the mustang and how do you like it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Works great still have to lead for ping tho

Viper2005_
02-17-2006, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DaimonSyrius:
I believe that in real WWII, late P47 and P38 versions also got it too. Late Spitfires and Tempests had a different gyroscopic sight of British make, if I'm correct. Also, the Luftwaffe developed a gyro gunsight, but I understand it didn't quite reach an operative status (I believe).

Cheers,
S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The K-14 is just the American term for the Ferranti Gyro Sight Mk. IIc.

It's British Technology, made in Glasgow if memory serves, and was fitted to a wide variety of Allied fighters, including Spitfires, from 1943.

The Mk I sight, which was rather more cumbersome to use, was first employed against Luftwaffe raiders in 1941.

Nothing like technology transfer is there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_gunsight

Bremspropeller
02-17-2006, 09:29 AM
I don't use gyro-sights (even in F4 I always aimed with this lil' cross at the top of the HUD ^^).

Sounds dumb, eh ?

In fact it ain't:

Gyro-sights make you track your target which makes you vulnerable, since you concentrate on aiming and nothing else.

I prefer high aspect passes with moderate lead-angles. This works just as good for me.

Viper2005_
02-17-2006, 12:20 PM
Gyroscopic gunsights were invented to improve the chances of average (green, scared, conscripted) pilots scoring kills; the ace pilots could probably have scored using a bit of chewing gum on the windscreen; generally they didn't like gyroscopic gunsights.

People often forget that many of us around here have scored more kills online than any real pilot who ever lived. As such it isn't very surprising that a lot of us have developed a knack for snapshooting, and that the K-14 isn't as popular as one might expect; a disproportionate number of us are ace pilots because we have a refly button and have learned from our mistakes.

Most real kills that I've seen in guncam footage were scored with tracking shots for which the K-14 would have been ideal.