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Lewicide
02-21-2006, 08:02 PM
As modeled are the cowl guns MG151/15's or MG151/20's ?

The explosions look like 20mm hits.

Lewicide
02-21-2006, 08:02 PM
As modeled are the cowl guns MG151/15's or MG151/20's ?

The explosions look like 20mm hits.

gx-warspite
02-21-2006, 08:40 PM
20s.

Max.Power
02-21-2006, 08:40 PM
They are 20mm cannons. The one firing through the spinner is a high velocity 30mm cannon.

VW-IceFire
02-21-2006, 09:20 PM
It seems that our armament setup is a pair of MG151/20's and a single MK103 cannon. I always thought that the Do-335's had MG151/15's.

Gibbage1
02-21-2006, 10:11 PM
The research I did showed MG151/15's, not the 20MM's in the coweling. I could find no source for the /20's at all.

The gun in the nose is a Mk-103. Same shell as the Mk-108, but at a MUCH higher velocity, and lower ROF. Its a BIG GUN.

berg417448
02-21-2006, 10:25 PM
Looks like maybe one plane got the 20mm:

"The Do335 V13 (RP+UA) was the prototype of the Do335B-1 which featured a revised nose undercarriage arrangement - the larger wheel being tilted at 45 degrees when fully retracted, a V-shaped armoured windscreen and DB603E engines. It's weapons bay was replaced by an additional fuel tank, and the two 15 mm MG151 cannon in the nose replaced by 20 mm MG151s."

woofiedog
02-21-2006, 10:32 PM
http://www.skylighters.org/encyclopedia/images/do335fly.gif

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The Do-335A-6 was to be a two-seat night fighter version with the advanced FFO FuG-217J Neptun radar having triple "trident"-like antennas (hence the name "Neptun") on the fuselage and wings, but only a prototype was completed. </span>

http://www.skylighters.org/encyclopedia/images/do335.gif

The first ten Do 335A-0's were delivered for testing in May. By late 1944 the Do 335A-1 was on the production line. This was similar to the A-0 but with the updated DB 603E-1 engines and two under-wing hard points for additional bombs or drop tanks. Capable of a maximum speed of 474mph at 21,325ft with MW 50 boost, or 426mph without boost, and able to climb to 26,250ft in under 15 minutes, the Do 335A-1 could easily outrun any Allied fighters it encountered. Even with one engine out it could reach about 350mph, allowing it to escape combat fairly easily.

Dornier Do 335A-1 Specification
Type: Single-seat fighter-bomber

Powerplant: Two Daimler-Benz DB603E-1 12-cylinder inverted-vee liquid cooled engines in push-pull arrangement - each rated at 1,800 hp for take-off.


Armament: One 30 mm MK103 cannon with 70 rounds, firing through the front propeller hub, and two 15 mm MG151/15 cannon with 200 r.p.g. above the nose, plus one 1,102 lb (500 kg) bomb or two 551 lb (250 kg) bombs internally and 551 lb (250 kg) bombs on underwing racks.


Performance: Max speed 474 mph (763 km/h) at 21, 325 ft (6,500 m); Max cruising speed 426 mph (685 km/h) at 23,360 ft (7,100 m); Economical cruising speed 281 mph (552 km/h) at 19,685 ft (6000 m); Range on internal fuel at max continuous power 867 miles (1400 km), at economical cruise power 1,280 miles (2050 km); Time to 3,280 ft (1000 m) 55 sec, to 26,245 ft (8000 m) 14.5 min; Service ceiling 37,400 ft (11,400 m).


Weights: Empty equipped 16,005 lb (7,260 kg); Normal loaded 21,165 lb (9,600 kg).


Dimensions: Span 45 ft 3.3 in (13.8 m); Length 45 ft 5.25 in (13.85 m); Height 16 ft 4.8 in (5.0 m): Wing area 414.411 sq ft (38.5 sq m).

As the war situation continued to deteriorate, development effort switched from the A-series fighter-bomber to the more heavily armed B-series heavy fighter. The Do 335 V13 (RP+UA) was the prototype of the Do 335B-1 which featured a revised nose undercarriage arrangement - the larger wheel being tilted at 45 degrees when fully retracted, a V-shaped armoured windscreen and DB603E engines. It's weapons bay was replaced by an additional fuel tank, <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">and the two 15 mm MG151 cannon in the nose replaced by 20 mm MG151s. The B-4 prototype, Do 335 V14 (RP+UB) had this armament supplemented by two 30 mm MK103 cannon mounted on the inner wing leading edges.</span>

Lewicide
02-21-2006, 11:09 PM
Yup I always thought it was 151/15's and a 103

but well, we got different

oh well, doesn't really bother me that much.


Someone should tell these guys

http://free-st.htnet.hr/dvd/

IL2-chuter
02-22-2006, 04:55 AM
We should also have high speed porpoising, but we don't have the Me262's high speed snaking either . . .



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Hristo_
02-22-2006, 05:15 AM
A conspiracy, I tell ya... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anarchy52
02-22-2006, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
We should also have high speed porpoising, but we don't have the Me262's high speed snaking either . . .



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or P-51 (especially D) for that matter

FliegerAas
02-22-2006, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The research I did showed MG151/15's, not the 20MM's in the coweling. I could find no source for the /20's at all.

[...]
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I too thought that the guns were 151/15's. At least I could find one source that speaks of 151/20.
http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/dornier/do335.htm

EDIT: There is a button on the upper right were you can switch between English and German. Then at least the menues are English .

woofiedog
02-22-2006, 06:53 AM
FliegerAas... Excellent site. Thank's for posting.

woofiedog
02-22-2006, 07:03 AM
http://afwing.com/images/do335/image025.jpg

The Do 335 V13 (RP+UA) was the prototype of the Do 335B-1 which featured a revised nose undercarriage arrangement - the larger wheel being tilted at 45 degrees when fully retracted, a V-shaped armoured windscreen and DB603E engines. It's weapons bay was replaced by an additional fuel tank, and the two 15 mm MG151 cannon in the nose replaced by 20 mm MG151s.

The B-4 prototype, Do 335 V14 (RP+UB) had this armament supplemented by two 30 mm MK103 cannon mounted on the inner wing leading edges.

http://xplanes.free.fr/do335/new/do335_V13_02.jpg

http://xplanes.free.fr/do335/new/do335_V13_06.jpg

http://afwing.com/images/do335/image014.jpg

http://afwing.com/images/do335/image004.jpg

http://afwing.com/images/do335/image015.jpg

Links:
http://afwing.com/intro/do335.htm
http://xplanes.free.fr/do335/do335-6.htm

NagaSadow84
02-22-2006, 07:31 AM
Do 335 V1 = -
Do 335 V2 (M2) = -
Do 335 V4 (M4) = -
Do 335 V5 (M5) = 2x MG 151/20, 2x MK 103, 1x MK 103 (planned), 2x MK 214 (planned)
Do 335 V6 (M6) = -
Do 335 V7 (M7) = -
Do 335 V8 (M8) = -
Do 335 V9 (M9) = 2x MG 151/15, 1x MK 103
Do 335 V10 (M10) = 2x MG 151/15 (planned)
Do 335 M11 = -
Do 335 M12 = -
Do 335 M13 = 2x MG 151/?, 2x MK 103, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M14 = 2x MG 151/?, 2x MK 103, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M14E = 2x MG 151/?, 2x MK 103, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M15 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M16 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M16E = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M17 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M18 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M19 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M20 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M21 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M22 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 M23 = 2x MG 151/?, 1x MK 103
Do 335 A-01 = 2x MG 151/15 (planned)
Do 335 A-02 = 2x MG 151/15 (planned)
Do 335 A-03 = ?
Do 335 A-04 = 2x MG 151/15, 1x MK 103
Do 335 A-05 = ?
Do 335 A-06 = ?
Do 335 A-07 = 2x MG 151/15
Do 335 A-08 = ?
Do 335 A-09 = ?
Do 335 A-10 = ?

Hawgdog
02-22-2006, 07:36 AM
cool pics woof-

LOVE the plane.
Please dont pork it-smaller guns, sure. Dont pork the plane tho'

Doug_Thompson
02-22-2006, 07:59 AM
The Do 335 A-0, which is the version number given in the game, had 15mm instead of 20mm.

The animation used in the game to simulate hits probably just used 20mm. Designing a new animation just for the Do 335 would have been expensive. (I'm not aware of any other planes in the game with a 15mm "cannon." If I'm wrong, please advise.)

Presumably, the damage caused is different, but I'm not aware of any test of that.

Stafroty
02-22-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The research I did showed MG151/15's, not the 20MM's in the coweling. I could find no source for the /20's at all.

The gun in the nose is a Mk-103. Same shell as the Mk-108, but at a MUCH higher velocity, and lower ROF. Its a BIG GUN. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He ammo doesnt much Rely on Ke you know ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MystiqBlackCat
02-22-2006, 08:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
The Do 335 A-0, which is the version number given in the game, had 15mm instead of 20mm.

The animation used in the game to simulate hits probably just used 20mm. Designing a new animation just for the Do 335 would have been expensive. (I'm not aware of any other planes in the game with a 15mm "cannon." If I'm wrong, please advise.)

Presumably, the damage caused is different, but I'm not aware of any test of that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Me-109F2 we have in game has a MG151/15 cannon firing through its propeller hub. The difference between the two are significant in damage. The 151/15 has a higher rate of fire but its shells do noticibly less damage. To get a good idea fly a QMB with the F2 then fly the same with the F4 as it has a MG151/20 firing through the propeller hub instead.

Rebel_Yell_21
02-22-2006, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stafroty:

He ammo doesnt much Rely on Ke you know ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But shooting more accurately at longer ranges does. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

FliegerAas
02-22-2006, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rebel_Yell_21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stafroty:

He ammo doesnt much Rely on Ke you know ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But shooting more accurately at longer ranges does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And besides that the MK103 also carries AP rounds (that would be pretty useless on a MK108) what makes it interesting for ground attacks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif.

p1ngu666
02-22-2006, 09:42 AM
i guess the 15mm would be a nicer match on teh ballastics front too

Stafroty
02-22-2006, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rebel_Yell_21:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stafroty:

He ammo doesnt much Rely on Ke you know ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But shooting more accurately at longer ranges does. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


how does one define accuracy?
higher recoil ? you can determinate elevation/Lead for hit easier when trajectory of the round is flatter. Thats the reason why Panther tank Cannon was so Accurate, Missin target wasnt so hard as it was with tiger 1 tank .

LUFT11_Hoflich
02-22-2006, 04:51 PM
Wow...

I always thought the 335 had the standard Mk108 30mm and 20mm cannon used in most LW late-war fighters, any reason you guys think they used the 103 for this fighter?

Low(er) velocity combo MK108 - 151/20
High(er) velocity combo MK103 - 151/15

hmmm what would be the reason that they used the high vel. armament combo?

H¶f...

VW-IceFire
02-22-2006, 04:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
The Do 335 A-0, which is the version number given in the game, had 15mm instead of 20mm.

The animation used in the game to simulate hits probably just used 20mm. Designing a new animation just for the Do 335 would have been expensive. (I'm not aware of any other planes in the game with a 15mm "cannon." If I'm wrong, please advise.)

Presumably, the damage caused is different, but I'm not aware of any test of that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We've already got the MG151/15 on the Bf109F-2 (and on one of the IAR-81 models). There is no need for them to create new animations or modify any data as the gun is already present.

rugame
02-22-2006, 05:02 PM
Now if this was a 190 or a P51 we would have a post titles - WE WANT THE RIGHT GUNS SIGN HERE!!!.

But like the A6m5b, small errors are present and wont be fixed becasue it would require to much blah blah blah....

you get my point.

Brillant website thou and that Heavy fighter varient looks bad****