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ROXunreal
04-15-2010, 01:29 PM
my Aviator has been crap but tolerable during the last 6 months but not anymore, since most of the time things look like this:

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1134/jebemtimatermrtvu.jpg

I need a new stick. And I need something that's a bit more expensive than the aviator but nowhere near the price of a CH fighterstick, something in between.

Now, choices are limited as far as I see. I can stay with saitek, thoughn I really don't want to, even if the forum support for Cyborg Evo lines of sticks is empty of complaints (or just erased by saitek staff.) Since their support is crap and their forum full of unsatisfied customers, I'd want something else.

Logitech has all the bad reviews in the world, so I don't want that.

Thrustmaster? I really don't know much about this brand but as I understand it it's somewhere in Saitek's quality range as well. Does anyone have a thrustmaster stick and how is it? Any other brands/products I should look out for? (CH is too expensive and I can't even find a seller in my country, and shipping would cost too much, same for MSFFB2)

Oh and I don't need FF, but wouldn't mind it either.

ROXunreal
04-15-2010, 01:29 PM
my Aviator has been crap but tolerable during the last 6 months but not anymore, since most of the time things look like this:

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1134/jebemtimatermrtvu.jpg

I need a new stick. And I need something that's a bit more expensive than the aviator but nowhere near the price of a CH fighterstick, something in between.

Now, choices are limited as far as I see. I can stay with saitek, thoughn I really don't want to, even if the forum support for Cyborg Evo lines of sticks is empty of complaints (or just erased by saitek staff.) Since their support is crap and their forum full of unsatisfied customers, I'd want something else.

Logitech has all the bad reviews in the world, so I don't want that.

Thrustmaster? I really don't know much about this brand but as I understand it it's somewhere in Saitek's quality range as well. Does anyone have a thrustmaster stick and how is it? Any other brands/products I should look out for? (CH is too expensive and I can't even find a seller in my country, and shipping would cost too much, same for MSFFB2)

Oh and I don't need FF, but wouldn't mind it either.

Mr_Zooly
04-15-2010, 02:15 PM
I had a Cyborg Evo for years and never really had problems with it (there was a FFB strength thing but that was easily solved) and now I have an X52 and am perfectly happy with it, the X65 is a future purchase for me as it looks very very nice indeed but the cost is a little prohibitive at the present time.

dirkpit7
04-15-2010, 02:32 PM
My X52 Pro has seen 2,5 years of moderate use and is in very good condition. I'm very satisfied with it.

Beirut
04-15-2010, 03:31 PM
I've been using a Saitek Cyborg Evo as a throttle for years and it always worked well.

I am still of the opinion that the cheapest - and still very good! - HOTAS system is to simply use whatever main stick you use (I use a MS FFB2) and a Cyborg Evo as a throttle. Lots of buttons, no need for the keyboard, and very comfortable for right or left hand.

The best thing about a Cyborg as a throttle is you set 50% power at the middle rest postition of the stick. Pull back for less power, push forward for more. Gives you super fast and accurate power control and it's fun. It's very immersive and really gets you into the game.

Frankthetank36
04-15-2010, 03:38 PM
I had a Cyborg Evo and after a few months the feeling around center was awful, incredibly stiff around the middle but once you got the thing out of the center it was smooth (making aiming incredibly difficult). I have a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro now and love it.

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-15-2010, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frankthetank36:
I had a Cyborg Evo and after a few months the feeling around center was awful, incredibly stiff around the middle but once you got the thing out of the center it was smooth (making aiming incredibly difficult). I have a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro now and love it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once in a while you need to lube the cup and cone at the bottom of the stick, plastic dust builds up and causes that, a little silicone based lube (yes, like sex lube) does wonders.

Beirut
04-15-2010, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
...a little silicone based lube (yes, like sex lube) does wonders. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What kind of lube?

I don't think that s-e-x word will mean a lot around eher. Those of us who are married with kids haven't heard that word in years and there's a reason the single guys are sitting at home flying a simulator. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

julian265
04-15-2010, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ROXunreal:
I need a new stick. And I need something that's a bit more expensive than the aviator but nowhere near the price of a CH fighterstick, something in between. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How are you with DIY stuff? You can make your own if you don't like the options available.

Mine uses high temperature bearing grease. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

jameson2010
04-15-2010, 05:55 PM
Get yourself a second hand Microsoft forcefeedback 2 stick for about 30 off ebay. The best stick ever made, built like a tank and even well used ones are still a joy to fly with. When 4.10 comes out you're all gonna have to learn to fly properly if you don't want the wings falling off and ff will help you to feel how the plane is flying, especially near the limits. Seriously, it's a great stick, everything apart from Logitech's new offering (which still has teething problems) is just pushing against a spring when flying no matter how expensive it is. If you had to pay 50 for one it'd still be cheap!

irR4tiOn4L
04-16-2010, 02:49 AM
Second hand X52. Its not a midrange stick but its at a midrange price! I got mine for $120 AU

Black_Ops7
04-16-2010, 05:05 AM
What about the Thrustmaster T.16000M
Its cheap
and it got HALL sensors... so it will not spike and go wack after many hours of use.

Only negative side is that it looks like **** specially for a ww2 sim.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/pr...tID=153&PlatformID=5 (http://www.thrustmaster.com/product.aspx?ProductID=153&PlatformID=5)

Sokol__1
04-16-2010, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What about the Thrustmaster T.16000M
Its cheap and it got HALL sensors... so it will not spike and go wack after many hours of use.
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Notice: T16000M use HALL sensor only in X and Y axis, throttle and rudder still using ordinary and cheap pots. But is a valid option, your X and Y axis are very precise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnRFDepi3uI&feature=player_embedded)

Sokol1

jameson2010
04-16-2010, 12:48 PM
X52 review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-dwEjosoM

dirkpit7
04-17-2010, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jameson2010:
X52 review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-dwEjosoM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this video tells little about the product, and far more about the person who made it.

Black_Ops7
04-17-2010, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dirkpit7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jameson2010:
X52 review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA-dwEjosoM </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this video tells little about the product, and far more about the person who made it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That maybe be, but a fact is that on any flight sim forum you can find tons of complaints and people who would advice you to buy a CH product instead of buying a saitek stick and then regret your choice some weeks or months after your choice.

The only products who dont need modding out of the box are CH products.
And you wont be playing tech support guy on your own stick but playing the game instead.

or so all CH owners and multi brand owners tells us.

For your info i got a unmodded cougar. I will not mod it because the money spend will get your a new Thrustmaster warthog a-10 stick this summer that has Hall sensors and still have money left for something else....like a nice set of rudder pedals.

I hope that CH products comes out with a new HOTAS kit and new rudder pedals.
And i hate that they keep silent about it....
Nobody is going to "steel" your design/stuff.
All competitors already launched their products or at least announced it (warthog stick).

Insuber
04-17-2010, 05:03 AM
Thrustmaster T16000M

Black_Ops7
04-17-2010, 05:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Insuber:
Thrustmaster T16000M </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah the "mech-warrior" stick in a ww2 sim.
I believe the tech is good.
But i don't like the looks.

Yes the cougar does not look like a ww2 stick.
But at least its black, from metal (that feels cold to the touch, i love that!) and feels like a real stick would.

ROXunreal
04-17-2010, 11:59 AM
I guess the 16000 is the main candidate then, even though a guy online urged me not to buy it because his "went haywire" after a month. If anyone has this stick for a few months at least can you tell me how is it in the long run?

I really like the Aviator overall except for the lightness (which can be modded easily), it's just this calibration problem that makes it completely useless at times. Currently it's in perfect center, now if I were to unplug and replug it it would again be offset far to the right....

Insuber
04-17-2010, 12:51 PM
I believe that in the Saitek forum you can find a fix for the centering issue, afaik it involved deleting a couple of registry keys.

Ins

Edit: maybe you have an hardware issue, but before sending back the stick you may try the recalibration procedure described here:

http://www.saitekforum.com/sho...=calibration+aviator (http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=12410&highlight=calibration+aviator)