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07-02-2005, 03:16 PM
Can€t keep a good name down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


07-02-2005, 03:16 PM
Can€t keep a good name down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


07-02-2005, 03:35 PM
The Westland Whirlwind? Why, wasn't that Britain's first cannon armed, twin-engined fighter? Faster than a Spitfire at low level?
Anyone got any info on this overlooked plane? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

07-02-2005, 03:59 PM
i dont think Secudus2004 could help you there m8 . . . . . .


07-02-2005, 04:00 PM
Yo, m8... Did I get your hopes up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You watching BBC1?

What did you think of the WHo... Best thing all day!

Ooh Up, Pink Floyd started now...

07-02-2005, 04:04 PM
There's a 'won't get fooled again' joke in there somewhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good to see Roger and Pete still doing it.

07-02-2005, 04:08 PM
Well ah... God those days seem soooo far from me now! Sighs...

07-02-2005, 04:31 PM
Well, we gave it our best shot mate.
Here's one for old time's sake...



Some young upstart referred to me as a 'noob' the other day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

07-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Some young upstart referred to me as a 'noob' the other day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Bugger... That made me laugh so much I knocked me beer over http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Oh yeah before I forget... Greenie sends Hugs...


07-02-2005, 04:52 PM
You loose the title of n00b when you have been here longer than Aimail.

07-02-2005, 04:52 PM
You know, the Whirlwind would be great for an addition in BoB. They say Oleg may do the channel war 1941 as part of BoB or upgrades to BoB so why not.

Do the appropriate cockpit and performance references exist?

07-02-2005, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
You know, the Whirlwind would be great for an addition in BoB. They say Oleg may do the channel war 1941 as part of BoB or upgrades to BoB so why not.

Do the appropriate cockpit and performance references exist? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh Man... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Not again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sorry Bud..., but if you are serious, type 'The official Whirlwind Whiners thread' in the seach window and you will see what has gone before...

07-02-2005, 05:10 PM
"I ain't gettin' in no Whirlwind Whiners thread, fool!"

07-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Yeah, Me and Greenie likewise...

07-02-2005, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well, we gave it our best shot mate.
Here's one for old time's sake... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
it would have been so cool to have

such an effort from you guys too to try & get it off the ground


07-02-2005, 08:12 PM
This is all starting to remind me of those scenes in 'The Blues Brothers' where Ackroyd & Belushi are trying to recruit their backing band.....

(stubs out cigarette and lets out deep sigh) O.K. - here's the deal. I'm willing to support anyone crazy enough to start pestering for the Whirlie's inclusion in future Ic sims or add-ons. I'll even attempt to rustle up some interest with this reprise post (from a long time ago in a galaxy far away), but like a man who's loved and lost a beautiful woman, I don't want to go through all the pain again - the endless sleepless nights, the friends that desert you, the strangers that laugh, and the booze - oh, the booze! You see I'm different now, I'm nearly mended, nearly over it all; and then some silly song on the radio, a whiff of perfume or an innocent post in an internet forum sets it all off again....

The horror...the horror...

(cue wavy screen fade overdubbed with sounds of pilot's lounge with clinking glasses, happy music and laughter)

Posted 29.September.2003 21:50
For the uninitiated, here's a repost from the Official Whirlwind Whiners Thread that may inform you about this aeroplane. For those that are familiar with this information I trust you will indulge me.

The following is taken from British Warplanes of World War II from Grange Books ISBN 1-84013-391-0.


After a long series of rather staid biplanes,the choice of Westland to produce a high-speed fighter must have seemed somewhat unlikely, but the company tendered against Specification F.37/35, and in January 1939 won a production contract for 200 aircraft.

The first of two protoype Westland Whirlwinds flew on 11 October 1938, but the Air Ministry lowered a security curtain around the new fighter which was not to be raised until August 1941. This caused considerable amusement since a French technical paper had published drawings in 1938, and there was every reason to believe that the Germans knew about the Whirlwind.

The new type was interesting on several accounts: - it was the RAF's first twin-engined fighter, and had low-altitude performance
that was better than that of any contemporary single-seat fighter.Furthermore, its four 20-mm nose-mounted cannon gave a weight of fire of 600lb (272kg) per minute, which conferred firepower superior to that of any other fighter in the world.

Production deliveries began to No.263 Squadron at Drem in July 1940, and the squadron settled down to eliminate the inevitable bugs in a new airframe and engine - the Rolls-Royce Peregrine. Troubles were also experienced with the cannon, but the squadron scored its first confirmed success with the destruction of an Arado Ar 196 floatplane on 8 February 1941, although a Whirlwind pilot was lost.

Deliveries were slow. as a result of a shortage of engines. and only eight Whirlwinds had been received by the RAF by the end of 1940. No.137 was the second (and only other) squadron to be equipped with Whirlwinds; it was formed at Charmy Down on 20 September 1941 with a nucleus of No.263 Squadron personnel.

While the new fighter proved to have excellent
performance at low altitude, it was at a distinct disadvantage when fighter-against-fighter combat began to move to higher altitudes, and it was necassary to restrict Whirlwind operations to a lower level where, for a time, the type proved useful for light bombing operations and fighter

And from another source......

"To the general public Fighter Command and the
Spitfire are synonymous, and the fact that there were more Hurricanes than Spitfires in the Battle of Britain appears to be a fact largely ignored. The aircraft covered by this book was designwise a contemporary of the Spitfire, was in 1939 capable of flying faster than the Spitfire at ground level, had a better all-round vision than the Spitfire, and was
considered by the pilots who flew it to be one of the most pleasant and nicest aircraft to fly.

It was British designed and built, yet it only
equipped two squadrons. This aircraft was the
Westland Type P9 Whirlwind fighter, twin-engined and armed with four 20 mm cannon.

Why was it that the Whirlwind only formed the
equipment of two squadrons? Was it the failure of the Ministry of Aircraft Production to order
Westland to speed up production and quickly
incorporate modifications; the failure of the Air Staff who required the Whirlwind to complete a brief handling trial before the issue of a production order; the blinkered outlook of some of Fighter Command staff who only recognised fighters as single-engined; or was the failure completely Westland's?

Certainly the Whirlwind in its concept and design was revolutionary - in its production execution Westland failed to live up to promises of delivery, yet once in full operational service it appeared to have been both popular with both aircrew and groundcrew. It can, of course, be said that this is through the rose-tinted spectacles of nostalgia, but the same may be said about other aircraft, including the Spitfire. It must be remembered that the Spitfire was not the easiest aircraft for maintainance and repair, was certainly not as good a gun platform as the Hurricane, and neither the Hurricane nor the Spitfire in 1939 carried so heavy a standard armament or had so good all-round vision as the Whirlwind.

So what made the Spitfire a legend and the
Whirlwind an 'also-ran'? Some of it was due to
wartime propaganda, some to post-war nostalgia, but the fact that the Hurricane and Spitfire were in large-scale production and had greater potential in accepting more powerful engines, must have been factors for the preference of these two aircraft.........

Here was an aircraft with no adverse handling
characteristics such as bad swing on take-off, no instability or control problems, an aircraft with four 20 mm cannon mounted tight together in the nose for concentrated fire, superb all-round vision, good ease of handling, plus twin-engined safety for getting back across the Channel - yet caustic comment and criticism appears to have been its lot. What a shame that some of the criticism in 1938-39 could not have been levelled at the rifle bore armament and the unprotected fuel tanks of the Hurricane and Spitfire; maybe then, if it had been heeded, our casualties in the years 1939-40 would have been smaller and our victories greater.

By the time the Whirlwind was in full production and operational it had missed its main opportunity as a fighter, and the Hurricane and Spitfire were being re-engined with more powerful versions of the Merlin. It may have been that if the Merlin engines had been originally installed in the Whirlwind, this aircraft would have been more acceptable to the Air Staff and Fighter Command.....

Someone wrote of the Whirlwind 'a fighter that
should have succeeded' - from the interest and
information from ex-squadron members, I have a
feeling it did succeed."

'WHIRLWIND The Westland Whirlwind Fighter' by
Victor Bingham. Airlife Publishing, 1987. ISBN 1 85310 004 8
(Out of print but worth searching for)

(cut to Low-Flyer_MkII staring at bottle and lighting cigarette, a single tear running down face)

Give it a shot guys - if you get into any difficulties shine the bat-lamp. But I've got a feeling the dynamic duo aren't the men they used to be http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

07-03-2005, 04:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But I've got a feeling the dynamic duo aren't the men they used to be </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are always the same... Just sometimes we stray off the beam... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Low_Flyer... Lets be careful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Out there...

Here we go, off into the Blue...




This Is where most people make a mistake when modeling the Whirlwind, this is right from a chap who use to make them, and worked on the last one to leave the factory€¦ Mr Fred Ballam


For a €˜small€ plane this shows you just how big she was€¦


This is what happens when you hit something hard€¦Like the ground!

One I painted€¦

07-03-2005, 05:55 AM

07-03-2005, 06:21 AM

Here's a few blasts from the past






and one for Greenie...


07-03-2005, 07:32 AM
Seeing as the Wirlwind has always been one of my favorite aircraft since I was a little kid, during WWII, I would love to see it in the sim. Another aircraft I feel has a place in this sim is The Short Sunderland Flying Boat as used for U-Boat detection and attack. We already have the FW-200 Condor which was used to detect and attack the maritime convoys bringing supplies from Canada to Britain, and shared the same airspace as the Sunderland, and Occasionally, they met up and engaged in combat. Does anyone agree?

07-03-2005, 08:12 AM
Roger that, Clipper2.

There is at least one campaign available on these very boards that utilizes the Japanese Emily in Sunderland colours. A proper Sunderland would be a worthy addition.
Bit of a bugger for strafing trains though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Could be time to dust off the old sigs, Sec http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Readers! Don't forget to chuck your 2 cents worth into the Pirates vs Ninjas thread - we need more of this sort of thing here.

07-04-2005, 05:57 AM
Thanks for the tip about the Emily in Sunderland colours Low_Flyer_MII, but I'm afraid an Emily dressed up to look like a Sunderland just doesn't do it for me. The Sunderland is prettier. Ah well, maybe one day.
If you like the Sunderland you may like to visit this webpage. http://www.n461.com/n461_story.html It tells the story of an RAAF Sunderland that was attacked by eight JU-88 heavy fighters over the Bay of Biscay, and it really whopped them good. It shot down four of them, heavily damaged two others, and the last two cleared off, while they were still in one piece. The poor old Sunderland was badly mauled though and barely made it back to the English coast.Anyway, It's a good read. If you click on the headings at the top of the page they'll take you to photos of the crew and the wrecked Sunderland on the beach at Prah Sands where they finished up.