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iL2fan
09-20-2008, 07:01 PM
ok ok ok
title says all

whenever im on a german bomb raid i start hearing germans screaming out of nowhere

however the one thing that caught my eye

is whenever a german guy yells on the radio

''Anybody. Clear my tail!''

when he says it

it makes me wonder how the hell do you say it

so i looked up on translation and put in

"Anybody clear my tail"

however not same as in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


so could someone put in what the germans say like

somebody clear my tail= (german translation)

you no the drill


so help?

iL2fan
09-20-2008, 07:01 PM
ok ok ok
title says all

whenever im on a german bomb raid i start hearing germans screaming out of nowhere

however the one thing that caught my eye

is whenever a german guy yells on the radio

''Anybody. Clear my tail!''

when he says it

it makes me wonder how the hell do you say it

so i looked up on translation and put in

"Anybody clear my tail"

however not same as in game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


so could someone put in what the germans say like

somebody clear my tail= (german translation)

you no the drill


so help?

general_kalle
09-20-2008, 07:31 PM
just found the text file in the game folder.
I'm not fully sure about what exakly he says but its something like

halte mir den Rücken frei

which means, hold my back clear

maybe a native german can enlighten us better.

iL2fan
09-20-2008, 07:42 PM
halte mir den rucken frei

lol


some1 who german can help us

or tell us how to get to text file in game

Freiwillige
09-20-2008, 10:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL2fan:
halte mir den rucken frei

lol


some1 who german can help us

or tell us how to get to text file in game </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

halte(STOP) mir(ME) den(THE) rucken(JERKS) frei(FREELY)

JtD
09-21-2008, 12:31 AM
Halte mir den Rücken frei = Keep my six clear

Uufflakke
09-21-2008, 02:14 AM
I haven't found the text files but there is a way to listen to the radiocommunications over and over without playing the game.
Go to the location where you installed the game, something like: C:\Username\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\Samples\Speech\DE\Actor1\Clear_my_tail

I_JG78_Max
09-21-2008, 03:14 AM
You figured it out very well. Let add just two minor additions.

First, the german piot in trouble will start his sentence usually with a swearing. "Verdammt!" what simply means "damned!".

Second, he asks for help from anybody, so he shouts "Haltet mir den Rücken frei!" "Halte" would only refer to you in particular.

Gruß,

III/JG27_Max

general_kalle
09-21-2008, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Halte mir den Rücken frei = Keep my six clear </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAY does that mean that i was aktually spot on?
neat.

Da_Godfatha
09-21-2008, 05:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Halte mir den Rücken frei = Keep my six clear </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAY does that mean that i was aktually spot on?
neat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Roughly translated, yes. It is very hard to do a one-to-one translation. The German syntax is other than in English. Even after 30 years in Germany I sometimes still have problems. Thank goodness all my kids went to a German school, So they speak German and English accent free. That is if Southern English and Southern German (BW, near Stuttgart) is considered "accent" free. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The game would be better if the Germans spoke different dialects. Like from bavaria or *gasp* from Dresden...... just kidding.

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

JG52-6High
09-21-2008, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Halte mir den Rücken frei = Keep my six clear </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAY does that mean that i was aktually spot on?
neat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Roughly translated, yes. It is very hard to do a one-to-one translation. The German syntax is other than in English. Even after 30 years in Germany I sometimes still have problems. Thank goodness all my kids went to a German school, So they speak German and English accent free. That is if Southern English and Southern German (BW, near Stuttgart) is considered "accent" free. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The game would be better if the Germans spoke different dialects. Like from bavaria or *gasp* from Dresden...... just kidding.

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1 vote for a saxonian speech-pack...that`ll be a mod http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
09-21-2008, 05:58 AM
I remember being told about how Kennedy gaffed with his "I'm a Berliner" speech line,
he used the wrong dialect. It was like saying "I'm a Bostonian, y'all!".
In phonics, he said Ik when he should have said Ik-a or something like that.
Outside the area it was well received, I was told -- hey I was a kid back then and not Berliner.

M_Gunz
09-21-2008, 06:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52-6High:
+1 vote for a saxonian speech-pack...that`ll be a mod http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want the Monty Python banter-pack!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father;
hairy blighter, ****y-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy,
flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rhyming slang would do as a substitute.

Er, I'm afraid I don't quite follow you, Squadron Leader. (http://www.skepticfiles.org/en001/banter.htm)

DuxCorvan
09-21-2008, 10:41 AM
I want the French pack with an outggrrageous accent. "I farrgt in yourg genegaaalll dirgectionnnn!"

JtD
09-21-2008, 12:11 PM
"Ich bin ein Berliner" translates into "I am a doughnut", at least in most of Germany. If Berlin folks wanted to say "I am a doughnut" they'd say "Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen." Anyway, the pronunciation was pretty good, though, it wasn't local slang.

stalkervision
09-21-2008, 12:26 PM
"I am a doughnut ,I am a doughnut, Co..Coo..coo Choo."

sung to the song.. "I am the walrus" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
09-21-2008, 12:40 PM
I like how it sounds. It is like "I'm soft, I'm sweet, and I got a hole in the middle."

I definitively need eine Berlinerin.

stalkervision
09-21-2008, 12:57 PM
Meine Unterseite ist außerordentliches itching. Bitte jemand Kratzer es!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

FliegerAas
09-21-2008, 01:33 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum you Schweind'l.

stalkervision
09-21-2008, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FliegerAas:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum you Schweind'l. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope it's the right one buddy, unfortunately.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My german wingmen are always complaining to me about that and I always radio them back...

"That's your problem" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think it's the laundry detergent they're using. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

WTE_Galway
09-21-2008, 06:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Godfatha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Halte mir den Rücken frei = Keep my six clear </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YAY does that mean that i was aktually spot on?
neat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Roughly translated, yes. It is very hard to do a one-to-one translation. The German syntax is other than in English. Even after 30 years in Germany I sometimes still have problems. Thank goodness all my kids went to a German school, So they speak German and English accent free. That is if Southern English and Southern German (BW, near Stuttgart) is considered "accent" free. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The game would be better if the Germans spoke different dialects. Like from bavaria or *gasp* from Dresden...... just kidding.

GF http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had a friend here (Australia) who was German born and a native speaker who failed her university oral exams in German because she could not speak with the required accent.

Apparently the required accent was some 19th century variant of "High German" a bit like BBC English only more so.

mortoma
09-21-2008, 10:39 PM
At least the German is better than most of the languages in the game and an English speaker can understand some of it. The German numbers are similar to Spanish in that they are easy to learn. If I ask for a vector in a German plane I can understand which way to go. Same for Italian. But the Russian and Japanese totally evades me.

I have flown with the subtitles off for years so it's only natural to try to understand the language some. Mixed results for me though.

"If you're 20 and not a Liberal, you have no heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, you have no brain" -Sir Winston Churchill-

buzzsaw1939
09-22-2008, 01:34 AM
Professional pilots don't scream in panic, very unrealistic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

stalkervision
09-22-2008, 04:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buzzsaw1939:
Professional pilots don't scream in panic, very unrealistic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. They tick me off every time they do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

JG52-6High
09-22-2008, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I like how it sounds. It is like "I'm soft, I'm sweet, and I got a hole in the middle."

I definitively need eine Berlinerin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don`t forget that the hole is already stuffed, mostly with sticky, red stuff...
Still interested? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
09-22-2008, 05:07 AM
MOrtoma, I love your sig text. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I_JG78_Max
09-22-2008, 05:15 AM
Just to get it right:

http://www.abzonline.de/news/pages/pics/top/200_008_122083_krapfen.jpg
This is what we call a "Berliner" over here in the very west of Germany. In the south they are more commonly called "Krapfen". It is true, that people from Berlin refer to this pastry as "Pfannkuchen" a word which most germans connect to the same pastry that you call "pancake". And I'm sure no german thought about patries when Kennedy said his famous words. As a non-berlin i think he did pretty well, not sure what berlins think of that.

By the way, this we call an "Amerikaner" american here in the region I live. I am not sure why, nor do I know what it is called in the rest of Germany:

http://www.ihre-online-baecker.de/neu/produkte/broetchen/amerikaner_59.jpg

stalkervision
09-22-2008, 05:29 AM
what do you call a " Submarine sandwich"

a u-boat special..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich

Do you have them over there? We call them a bunch of different names in the USA that it mentions in the thread above.

here's a name that is interesting that I never knew.

Zep (likely truncation of zeppelin) "” New Jersey; Phoenixville, PA and Norristown, PA. It differs from a hoagie; the standard Zep contains only cooked salami and provolone as the meat and cheese filling, and has no lettuce.

I_JG78_Max
09-22-2008, 07:03 AM
Those are "Sandwiches" in german too or "Subs" since Subway more or less introduced them here.

And donuts are "Donuts" if you should wonder. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
09-22-2008, 07:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
Those are "Sandwiches" in german too or "Subs" since Subway more or less introduced them here.

And donuts are "Donuts" if you should wonder. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool! I hate the other names.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Wow, Subs and Donuts! I could live for a whole week on subs and donut. I'm booking a flight buddy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
09-23-2008, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52-6High:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
I like how it sounds. It is like "I'm soft, I'm sweet, and I got a hole in the middle."

I definitively need eine Berlinerin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don`t forget that the hole is already stuffed, mostly with sticky, red stuff... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the wrong days. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG52-6High
09-23-2008, 02:47 PM
Bah, a good pirate sails all seas, so that includes the red sea too, no? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-23-2008, 03:23 PM
Yes, germans are really hard to understand in il2, the other voices like the russian one are very calm and smooth...i dont understand why they did this...if you play for example other sims like CFS3 or the mighty 8th the german voices are more realistic.

Uufflakke
09-24-2008, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:

And I'm sure no german thought about patries when Kennedy said his famous words. As a non-berlin i think he did pretty well, not sure what berlins think of that.


</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But what would have happened if the Russians erected a wall throught the middle of the German city Hamburg?
Would J.F. Kennedy have said:"Ich bin ein Hamburger."

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/JFKBerlin.jpg

HuninMunin
09-24-2008, 06:42 AM
The german voicepack is awesome.
It's well acted, the vocabulary and expressions are nearly 100 % spot on, you get a mild set of different accents etc.

To me the german voicepack was always one of the best things in IL-2.

I understand why some may think it is overdone but it is very true to life.
The strong pronounciation is just part of radio communication.
The Luftwaffe's code language is ( like most ) especialy designed to feature phoneticaly special words to highten understandability.
The game reflects that perfectly and I wouldn't want to miss it.

Bremspropeller
09-24-2008, 06:55 AM
Berliner and Hamburger are perfectly valid words in German, stating one's origin.

Even though the word "Berliner" and "hamburger" would also mean something to eat, said in the right context, people wouldn't have trouble understanding the meaning.

The whole Pfannekuchen-story is just a fuzz made up by Kennedy-haters.

Uufflakke
09-24-2008, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Berliner and Hamburger are perfectly valid words in German, stating one's origin.

Even though the word "Berliner" and "hamburger" would also mean something to eat, said in the right context, people wouldn't have trouble understanding the meaning.

The whole Pfannekuchen-story is just a fuzz made up by Kennedy-haters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it is a little bit more complicated. It is actually a grammar thing instead of a political issue (pro or contra Kennedy)
Even nowadays there is still a discussion wether he did say it correctly or not.

http://userweb.port.ac.uk/~joyce1/abinitio/chap5-10.html (http://userweb.port.ac.uk/%7Ejoyce1/abinitio/chap5-10.html)

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/jfk_berliner.htm

http://www.mrshea.com/germusa/jfkberl.htm

Confusion, confusion.

HuninMunin
09-24-2008, 07:29 AM
He did.
I don't see why there's a discussion to begin with.
It's completely normal; Frankfurter, Kölner, Münchner, Stuttgarter, Hamburger, Bremer, Berliner, Leibziger, Dresdner, Düsseldorfer.

Bremspropeller
09-24-2008, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Even nowadays there is still a discussion wether he did say it correctly or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whom do you trust more?

A German native-speaker or sum smart-*** wannabe-dude? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Uufflakke
09-24-2008, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
He did.
I don't see why there's a discussion to begin with.
It's completely normal; Frankfurter, Kölner, Münchner, Stuttgarter, Hamburger, Bremer, Berliner, Leibziger, Dresdner, Düsseldorfer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot the most important one: Bitburg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Bitburg.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/BitteeinBit.jpg

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sorry for getting off topic...</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Bremspropeller
09-24-2008, 08:17 AM
Yeah. Bitburg... http://www.qsl.net/da1bt/f15bt.gif

I always preferred
http://usafgermany.com/gallery/aircraftpics/80_0555_313TFS_50TFW_RamsteinAB_April_18__1984_Sco tt_R_Wilson.jpg
Hahn,
http://www.dapho.nl/jalbum/aviation_show/slides/F16C%20%20SP%20352%20usaf.jpg
Spangdahlem,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/F-4E-F-16C-86thTFW.jpg
and Ramstein
over Bitburg...

Guess why http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

BTW: Bitburger ain't the best german beer - by far http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

FlatSpinMan
09-24-2008, 08:21 AM
Off-topic?? Was this thread ever on-topic?
Vintage Ubi.

@Mortoma
I don't like the voices. They sound like the cheesy guy who does the voiceovers for foreign TV shows and movies here in Japan- really hammed up.
Here is some Japanese for understanding IL-2 missions. I rarely fly for the IJA/IJN but in my few outings here is what I have heard.


Ryokai = Understood, Roger. etc

Below are variants of the numbers from 0 through to 10.

0 maru/rei/zero
1 ichi
2 ni
3 san
4 shi/yon
5 go
6 roku
7 shichi/hichi/nana
8 hachi
9 kyu/ku
10 ju

I'll have a quick fly and see what else I can make out.

WOLFPLAYER2007
09-24-2008, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Uufflakke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
He did.
I don't see why there's a discussion to begin with.
It's completely normal; Frankfurter, Kölner, Münchner, Stuttgarter, Hamburger, Bremer, Berliner, Leibziger, Dresdner, Düsseldorfer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot the most important one: Bitburg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Bitburg.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/BitteeinBit.jpg

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sorry for getting off topic...</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im trying to quit drinking but seeing this picture it is pretty hard...this beer is VERY good.

Uufflakke
09-25-2008, 09:17 AM
Yeah, Germans and the English language...
It is still a dangerous combination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUFXCtvngw

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Swivet
09-25-2008, 09:28 AM
Dringen Sie meinen Esel ein http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

HuninMunin
09-25-2008, 12:01 PM
You want us to penetrate your donkey? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Swivet
09-25-2008, 01:07 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif was wondering if someone was gonna catch that..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BenQ-the-Hawk
09-25-2008, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Uufflakke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HuninMunin:
He did.
I don't see why there's a discussion to begin with.
It's completely normal; Frankfurter, Kölner, Münchner, Stuttgarter, Hamburger, Bremer, Berliner, Leibziger, Dresdner, Düsseldorfer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You forgot the most important one: Bitburg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/Bitburg.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh195/Uufflakke/BitteeinBit.jpg

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Sorry for getting off topic...</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bah i dislike bitburger

Bremspropeller
09-25-2008, 01:26 PM
This one's fer you, Benno:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEyYuZkjVI


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif