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Gadje
01-09-2006, 05:50 AM
Anyone do this ?

I fly only in Pit-on servers but thought I'd try the above just to see what the server was like.

It was tough!
Any regulars do this?

And it got me thinking about how different planes match up in pit-off settings.
Being cowardly I first tried a good old Yak-3P and was suprised to see lots of cannon Corsairs and 190D's and A's being flown. After getting moaned at I took a 109G-AS up instead but noticed whenever a Yak killed someone the noob plane criticism appeared.
In pit-on Corsairs and 190's both have quite a difficult handicap to overcome....visibility. Forward visibility for the 190 making their 'bread and butter' snap shot rather difficult and rear visibility for the Corsair making SA tricky.
Seems to me without these handicaps the matchup with the Yak is quite different to pit-on settings for these planes.(The Yak has great visibility in pit-on)

Anyway it was fun and a challenge. Some very good pilots there.

Gadje
01-09-2006, 05:50 AM
Anyone do this ?

I fly only in Pit-on servers but thought I'd try the above just to see what the server was like.

It was tough!
Any regulars do this?

And it got me thinking about how different planes match up in pit-off settings.
Being cowardly I first tried a good old Yak-3P and was suprised to see lots of cannon Corsairs and 190D's and A's being flown. After getting moaned at I took a 109G-AS up instead but noticed whenever a Yak killed someone the noob plane criticism appeared.
In pit-on Corsairs and 190's both have quite a difficult handicap to overcome....visibility. Forward visibility for the 190 making their 'bread and butter' snap shot rather difficult and rear visibility for the Corsair making SA tricky.
Seems to me without these handicaps the matchup with the Yak is quite different to pit-on settings for these planes.(The Yak has great visibility in pit-on)

Anyway it was fun and a challenge. Some very good pilots there.

SeaFireLIV
01-09-2006, 05:58 AM
In my younger (2 years ago!) days, I used to fly with cockpit on in no cockpit servers. But it`s a mug`s game. they have way too much of an advantage over you.

They can see you from wherever, below, behind, to the sides and low - it`s worse than the AI!

And of course, ANY kind of tactics fails, scissoring, forget it! Barrel-rolling- pointless! Surprise attacks- impossible!

It might be fun for some, but as I`ve heard others say before, it`s just airquake. If I wanted Quake, I`d play the Unreal 2004.

I stick only to servers that have mostly real, if not `full real` setting. definitely cockpit on servers as I cannot abide `wonder-woman` view.

Bearcat99
01-09-2006, 06:09 AM
I generally stay out of open pit servers unless they have no icons. IMO that is the only way to fly open pit. Otherwise like Seafire said.. the other guys just have way too much of an advantage. Open pit without icons though can be just as challenging as a fully immersive or mostly immersive (as in locked pit with tight or friendly only icons) server for me anyway. Those arrows floating around spell rookie all the way. I prefer a locked pit with no or mitedc icons... I dont mind the speedbar and the minimap path... I am working on my nav skills and instrument rating.... although we use padlock for now.. I can see a time when we will do without it......but I gotta have the eye candy.

WOLFMondo
01-09-2006, 06:11 AM
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Cockpit off servers are ok but you won't learn much and its really hard to bounce anyone.

UKD has kind of setup there server so it doesn't benefit those who use no cockpit and outside views but its still blindingly obvious when someones using those extra 'tools'.

Dunkelgrun
01-09-2006, 06:23 AM
I suppose that I must be a simmer rather than a gamer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif, as cockpit off has never appealed. Therefore I've never joined a no-pit server because everyone else would have such a huge advantage over me. They do even when the settings are equal! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If you are going to fly in a no-pit server then IMHO it's suicide to leave yours on.

Cheers!

rnzoli
01-09-2006, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
Anyone do this ? I fly only in Pit-on servers but thought I'd try the above just to see what the server was like. It was tough! Any regulars do this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I did this a few times, and it's tough, because there is no way to compensate for your visibiliy disadvantage. It is almost like taking off unarmed (with empty loadout) - can be fun for a while, but not particularly a good idea on the long run. Try to continue and you will see what I mean. If you like the server, I would rather advise you to fly without cockpit, too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
After getting moaned at I took a 109G-AS up instead but noticed whenever a Yak killed someone the noob plane criticism appeared.? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This got me LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Noob critiscism on a pit-off server http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif soooo ironic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
Some very good pilots there. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As always, depends on what your definition is. The guys may be excellent with deflection shooting and chasing the other aircraft. But with the little arrows showing the way, their SA can be less than solid in a pit-on server. Generally speaking, the more aid people get from the server, the less reliably you can tell how good or bad they are.

Lucius_Esox
01-09-2006, 08:47 AM
I've done this Gadje, and it is hard, very. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I also think it makes flying the plane easier without the pit once your used to it. You have supreme SA in manouvres.

The thing about it being very hard though is balenced out by it feeling very good when you down someone though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

F19_Ob
01-09-2006, 08:52 AM
These days I prefer early maps only.
Flew a lot on latewar maps for some years but have completely lost my apetite for anything later than 1942.
It's much more fun with slow and poorly armed planes.

The above means that I hop from server to server several times in an evening, and occasionally I find early maps on "pit off" servers.

This doesn't really change my style of flying and I still fly in pit.

works for me.

neural_dream
01-09-2006, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
If I wanted Quake, I`d play the Unreal 2004. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I quite like airquake meself. I used to play a bit in 334th. Every 5 sec someone would complain for killstealing. Literally 5 sec. It was fun though. Only I didn't use wonderwoman and that was a disadvantage in headons, a favorite pasttime of the airquakers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.

WWSensei
01-09-2006, 10:15 AM
I have on a few occasions but mainly because I didn't notice there was no pit. I don't have the no pit key mapped anymore (saving the keystrokes for other things) so was happily tooling along unaware that WW view was enabled. Did decent getting a kill and getting killed once before moving on. There weren't many on the server.

tigertalon
01-09-2006, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
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Cockpit off servers are ok but you won't learn much </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Disagree. You learn A LOT. I am a regular guest of UKD1 as well as of Spits_v_109 or some other FR servers from time to time.

Example:
Because of long range icon setting and no cockpit on UKD1 I know EXACTLY at which altitudes Fw190D9_44 starts outclimbing La7 at 450 or 400 kph. And now, on FR I can use this knowledge.

You do, indeed, learn a lot about pure aircraft performance. Still, you have to learn a lot when moving to FR server.

OMK_Hand
01-09-2006, 11:41 AM
I fly cockpit on in our squadron server, because I see no point and get no enjoyment from playing with the cockpit off.

Our Squadron server has the cockpit off by default, in order that people will use the server.
Many players seem to prefer this.
The times the cockpit has been locked on, the server has stayed empty, or people join and complain.

It always amazes me though, how folks disscuss the relative merits of this or that plane, use terms like 'UFO', and 'NEWB', etc. yet they are happy to fly their ride in this bland, artificially enhanced manner, and in such a tactically sterile environment.
Someone complained about the AA the other night.

'Tactics' and 'simulation' are dirty words if you ask me.

Where's the glory?

Xiolablu3
01-09-2006, 12:13 PM
I like both, but as I like the action more than the sneaking about, I play more on UKded as once one fight is over you can quickly find another.


If you are flying on any server use all the benefits you can (without cheating), as you can be sure most othres are.

In fact on Ukded the padlock view is encouraged when attacking ground targets as otherwise you will be banned for attacking friendlies (as I have found out to my cost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )