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HomeBoy1953
04-23-2006, 10:14 PM
I am building a HOTAS for left handers out of CH FighterStick and Pro Throttle. I'm showing pictures of the progress. Check it out if interested:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3152

HomeBoy1953
04-23-2006, 10:14 PM
I am building a HOTAS for left handers out of CH FighterStick and Pro Throttle. I'm showing pictures of the progress. Check it out if interested:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3152

slipBall
04-24-2006, 04:06 AM
Very interesting, my son is a south paw, that would be great for him. I think all lefties would like a option

p.s. nice workmanship http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

rovens
04-24-2006, 05:25 AM
Great idea. I really want a x-52/45 but there is little point as im left handed. Ill be keeping an eye on this orject.

Good Luck

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-24-2006, 05:36 AM
Hell yes I'm interested! I currently use a CH Flightstick Pro with Pro throttle and pedals. The throttle is turned upside down with its axis reversed for use with my right hand. It works fine, but a true 'lefty stick setup would be nice.


TB

x6BL_Brando
04-24-2006, 06:34 AM
Here is my humble version of a left-******'s rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Brandos_Rig_1.jpg

The cheap version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't have a right arm unfortunately, so the workmanship is a bit crude - but I do get away without having to buy a throttle! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm just using a cheap Radio Shack pot embedded in the handle, and my left thumb does all the gas. It works really well except the cheap pots go funky about twice a year but I still have six spares. I sawed off the turret-switch and set it to the side of the base along with the mode switch.

Otherwise I just rotated the deck to bring the mode-LEDs into view and the pitch-trim-wheel into reach. I can't tell you how good it is to have such a competitive stick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Your work looks very neat, Homeboy, <S>. Did you see Revvin's warning about requests? Put me in the queue if you go bespoke! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

B.

HomeBoy1953
04-24-2006, 07:46 AM
B,
I saw your rig some time ago at the CH Hangar. Very impressive. I know how hard doing this is with two hands. I cannot imagine how tough it would be to do with one.

-mark

x6BL_Brando
04-24-2006, 08:27 AM
I'd be scratching my head - if I had a spare hand! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Seriously, I just use a lot of clamps and Blu-Tak. I was a modeller before the accident so it's not like being unsure of what to do.

I think I'll be trying the nose-flip on my stick! I didn't think of it at the time but it would be good to have the mode button closer. Cheers, and I hope it works well for you....

B.

lbhskier37
04-24-2006, 03:22 PM
Don't really understand the want for left hand joysticks (accept for in your case Brando) Do they switch the throttle and stick on real planes for lefties?

arcadeace
04-25-2006, 02:16 AM
We're not fighter pilots. Just joes wanting to enjoy a hobby with our best (natural) ability. I couldn't flight sim very well right-handed and I tried with a couple different quality sticks. When I played baseball, i played with a lefty's glove. Same thing. You're not really asking if pilots switched are you?

x6BL_Brando
04-25-2006, 03:08 AM
Funnily enough, I was left-handed from birth - but I had that beaten out of me in Prep school http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Left-handers were forced to sit on their left hands while eating or writing, and any move to use the left as principal was rewarded with a sharp smack. So I spent forty years as an enforced right-hander.

Personally I blame the Romans and their stupid sinister and dexter, and the spin it's had ever since from religious idiots with their primitive notions. It's a huge insult if you stop to think about it. Anyone who is clever with their hands is dextrous (i.e. right-handed) eh? Neatly disproved by Homeboy and many others I think.

I suggest the answer to why is "because we can" - and why not? If you had spent a life battling with doors hinged on the wrong side, and thousands of everyday items designed solely for right-handed people - you might think yourself entitled to enjoy your hobby to the fullest - unhindered by the dictates of an ignorant majority who are always 'right'.

Right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-25-2006, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Don't really understand the want for left hand joysticks (accept for in your case Brando) Do they switch the throttle and stick on real planes for lefties? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Not again... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

It's definitely a right-handed world and unless you've had to conform you simply wouldn't understand. My desire for realism and vicarious fighter combat also don't include a fan in my face or explosives under my seat. Does that make it unrealistic? Get a clue and don't be so closed-minded.


TB

HomeBoy1953
04-26-2006, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Do they switch the throttle and stick on real planes for lefties? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really don't understand anybody wanting an orange motorcycle! If you were to join the police force as a motorcycle cop, would they switch the color just because you like orange? I don't think so! You'd better buy a black and white one!

I have posted my little project on all the flight sim forums that I know about in hopes of getting CH to realize that there truly is demand for a left-handed option. There have been a number of responses like lbhskier37's. I am fascinated by the psychology of this.

lbhskier, like so many others that take this view, feel that I am somehow "arcading" the game they play. There are varying degrees of offense to me about this. The jet sim guys are by far the most offended. I think it's because the jet sim community tend to be a younger group, many of whom are dreaming of truly becoming military pilots actually flying these planes. To see me "denegrate" their fantasy by suggesting an unrealstic "perversion" of the F-16 fighterstick and throttle, they just come unglued. One guy told me I was a narrow minded "handicap" because I would not "conform" to the "real world." Interesting. I pointed out in that thread that almost all general aviation aircraft (e.g. Cessna 172) are actually left handed. You hold the yoke with your left hand while working radios, throttle, trim wheel, etc. with your right. The Cirrus line of planes actually has an honest to goodness joystick on the left side of the instrument panel and a "CH looking" throttle right there on the console on the RIGHT side of the pilot. Oh my gosh!! My left handed rig is EXACTLY like that! Everybody reading that thread absolutely ignored my posting and continued to say stuff like "Would the Air Force specially design you a left handed airplane?" The level of emotion about this truly is facinating. I'm actually enjoying torquing these "fighter pilot wannabes" out of joint. I didn't start out with this objective. I just wanted to offer a service to fellow lefties who are being left out of the full HOTAS environment that right handers enjoy. They all say "Just get over it and learn to fly right handed!" Well, ok, I could learn to do that and probably get quite good at it. In fact, lefties are far better at using their right hands than righties are at using their left. BUT, I simply ENJOY the natural feel of using my dominant hand. Plus, I am fully taking it upon myself to make that happen. You would think I'm begging for donations or demanding that "they fix it!" I'm just enjoying my hobby and offering a service that I can and want to provide. So sue me lbhskier!

Fascinating! Just fascinating!

Left-handed regards
-mark

HomeBoy1953
04-26-2006, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
I suggest the answer to why is "because we can" - and why not? If you had spent a life battling with doors hinged on the wrong side, and thousands of everyday items designed solely for right-handed people - you might think yourself entitled to enjoy your hobby to the fullest - unhindered by the dictates of an ignorant majority who are always 'right'.

Right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brando, you are so right on! I do this because I can! Having a left-handed HOTAS just makes simming more FUN! Period! I have received many messages of thanks for what I'm doing from lefties who want left-handed joysticks. They just want to ENJOY simming more than they do while "unnaturally" flying with their right-handed rigs.

Please indulge a short story.

When I was about 10 years old, I wanted to be a baseball catcher. I wanted it REAL bad. I was currently playing first base on the little league team (where all left-handed ball players belong) and I begged the coach to let me catch. He (fully knowing that this would be an impossibility) told me that if I could find a left-handed catcher's mit that I could move to that position. Naturally, when I investigated it, nobody had EVER made one, nobody will EVER make one. End of subject! Well, I refused to accept that as an answer so I went to a "flea market" and bought a used catchers mit. I took the thing completely apart, talked my dad into buying me some squares of leather at a craft store and reversed that mit. I made myself a left handed catchers mit!

I'm not asking for sympathy here. I really don't give a rat's rear-end what you "right-handedness police" think! I'm just trying to give you a glimpse into what it's like to be a left hander in a right hander's world.

arcadeace
04-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Well for sure Saitek get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I can imagine how many sales they've made to lefties who've purchased for one purpose.

Almost every judgment these wannabe pilots make with you reflect their own narrow-mindedness instead of yours. Let them do it left-handed and watch their enthusiasm. I can understand you actually finding amusement; the purists... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

I hope you continue HB, if just for your own reward. But if you could produce the molds and word caught, I bet a number of members would get them.

HomeBoy1953
04-26-2006, 04:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arcadeace:
Well for sure Saitek get it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad Saitek is such junk!

HomeBoy1953
04-27-2006, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HomeBoy1953:
Too bad Saitek is such junk! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I shouldn't have bad mouthed Saitek like that. The truth is, Saitek is just lower end stuff at affordable prices. They certainly have their niche. I should not have called it "junk."

My appologies please!

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-27-2006, 09:44 AM
About 2 years ago I petitioned CH for just such a thing (i.e. more consideration for left-handers than the Flightstick Pro). I contacted them through email, on these (and other) forums, and numerous phone calls. I even talked to Debby McDowell (who reads this forum regularly) and was basically told, in a nice way, too bad.

I had a Fighterstick and liked the total control and functionality and truly thought a downgrade to the fully ambidextrous Flightstick Pro would leave me wanting. NOT THE CASE AT ALL! The Flightstick Pro is a great peripheral and is easily the most comfortable stick I've ever used. The throttle is a different story, but with it setup the way I do, I simply use my right thumb for most of the functions instead of my fingers and accordingly use my right forefinger for the functions normally assigned to the thumb. It really works well and for the less machanically inclined is an excellent setup (i.e. no remanufacture necessary)

I still say, though, that the day CH produces a lefty Fighterstick, regardless of price, I'll be one of the first in line to pick one of those babies up...be sure.

In reference to the 'quality' of Saitek's gear, let me say this. My first impression of the 2 Saitek sticks I've owned was...erm...cheap. Their ideas are good ones. Good button layout and good functionality, but their quality of materials and manufacture pale in comparison to CH. Thus it just doesn't have the precision nor durability I seek.


TB

HomeBoy1953
04-28-2006, 07:49 AM
I have completed the project and the tutorial. Come check it out if you're interested:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3152

And sorry lbhskier, I guess you'll have to send out the "Hardcore Police" and have me arrested. Hee hee!

HomeBoy1953
06-13-2006, 12:42 PM
If you are a left hander, I'd appreciate your taking a little poll I put together. You can find it here:

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=3326

Thanks
-mark

Ritter_Cuda
06-13-2006, 08:15 PM
question for you lefts how does the CH wheel work?

HomeBoy1953
06-13-2006, 09:14 PM
Ritter,
I assume you're speaking of the throttle wheel on the FighterStick. It doesn't get changed in any way. It's not a big deal as I use that wheel for elevator trim and I normally turn loose of the stick to adjust trim so I can turn it with my left hand just fine.

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-14-2006, 06:26 AM
I posted over at CH-Hangar Mark. But let me reiterate the same thing here. This is a very cool thing you're doing and I'd like to be one of the first in line to..er...procure a set of these replacement handles. I've seen numerous hack-jobs that have excellent functionality, but I'm not quite as mechanically inclined to take on such a project and I'm also, simply put, picky about the quality thing. Yours look absolutely perfect and I'd pick up a new throttle and fighterstick to transform into a truly lefty CH rig.

Don't make us wait too long...hopefully the 'canes will finish off the poser oilers and you can get on with the important stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif


TB

Schithawk
06-14-2006, 05:52 PM
just came across th thread. well put brando in regards to the special needs fella that cant understand what its like to have everything built backwards from the numpad on your keyboard to a lousy pair of sizzers.
i started playing ayear ago . my first stick was a logiteck wingman.
after a week of crashin and a few glances at this forum, i ran out and got myself an x45 and thouhgt, oh yeah, now their in trouble. but to my utter dissapointment , it felt so uncomterable and clumsy in my right hand that after 5 days , i returnd it and liking the 2 hands on controls , decided i'd try a siatek evoforcefeed back for my main stick in left hand and a saitek evo sybourg for a second stick in my right that i could use as a throttle,flaps and other controls.sure wasnt the perfect setup as to use mouse view which is what i use i had to switch between stick and mouse constantly with right hand .
having a stick in my left hand made all the difference in the world. the logiteckh, i made into a set of rudder pedals , the evo force got a little sloppy so am in the midst of extending it a foot and adding stronger resistance springs as i saw on someones post and am using the evo cybourg at the moment as main stick . ahhhhhh the trials and triblations of a southpaw .s
hows it going with your new setup?

~Haggard~

HomeBoy1953
08-10-2006, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
...
I still say, though, that the day CH produces a lefty Fighterstick, regardless of price, I'll be one of the first in line to pick one of those babies up...be sure. ...
TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you truly are a man of your word! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif In fact, the only reason you didn't get #1 is I kept it for myself and sent #2 to CH.

How's the new HOTAS workin' for ya?

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-10-2006, 10:50 AM
If you're talking about the throttle wheel axis on the Fighterstick then my answer is it works the same as it always has...push it one way and you get a certain result, push it the other way get another result (usually diametrically opposing the first result). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Since this is posted here at this point, I'll put in my little .02c for HomeBoy1953. This past Monday I received my Lefty HOTAS from him and, though excited, had a few very small reservations. Let me tell you, my reservations were completely misplaced. The quality is first-rate, functionality is unchanged (typical CH high-end) and my set was accompanied by a CD that had a button layout diagram made for the southpaw and a pictorial record of the process...amazing. The finish is (dare I say it) better than the factory finish!

I finally connected them last night, calibrated them, scrutinized my button-assignments, and hopped into WarClouds for a quick test sortie. I have flown with my previous setup for almost 4 years and they had become second nature as I'm sure it does for most. While my new controllers felt different, they definitely didn't feel awkward. I was in a P-47 and landed safely only after dispatching 2 - Ju88's and 2 - 109's (the last one was a hard-turning dive over 700kph and was a sweet deflection burst on 335th_GRApo that removed his wing, smoked his eng and pk'd him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif ) .

Like new golf clubs won't make me a better golfer, new custom controllers won't make me a better pilot, but they certainly will make the experience more enjoyable...for me at least.

I've contacted a couple friends who like to fly and are handicapped with left-handed dominance as I am to let them know. Those of you that know me know I try hard NOT to embelish or be dramatic, but <span class="ev_code_yellow">these controllers are the best controllers I've ever used...period!</span>

If you're left-handed and don't wish to conform to available retail controllers, do yourself a favor and call Mark (aka HomeBoy1953)


TB

x6BL_Brando
08-10-2006, 12:51 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm really pleased to announce that my LH stick-shell is on the manufacture list as of this week http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It's thanks to homeboy, and thanks to my wingie Pedro who is taking care of payment & postage from the US. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif (but only one at a time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

I now have to work out where and how to mount my thumb-throttle, but having the turret- and mode-switches in easy reach is going to be so cool!

I'm glad this project came to fruition. Thanks for all the hard work put in, hb. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

B.

Chuck_Older
08-10-2006, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lbhskier37:
Don't really understand the want for left hand joysticks (accept for in your case Brando) Do they switch the throttle and stick on real planes for lefties? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Not again... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

It's definitely a right-handed world and unless you've had to conform you simply wouldn't understand. My desire for realism and vicarious fighter combat also don't include a fan in my face or explosives under my seat. Does that make it unrealistic? Get a clue and don't be so closed-minded.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, actually he's not close minded

This shouldn't have anything to do with handedness- for instance I am a righty, and cars in the US are left hand drivers- gear shift is on the right.

I was trained to shift gears with my right hand, and to steer with my left. I can drive with my left hand much better than with my right hand

In a HOTAS, both hands are used independently, and the trottle is a very important control to say the least

This is less a question of handedness and more a question of mindset and training

If you want to make a lefty HOTAS because you want one, go for it. But no matter what you do with a HOTAS, your "dumb" hand will be working an important control- it's just that the stick is 'sexier' than the throttle

HomeBoy1953
08-10-2006, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
This is less a question of handedness and more a question of mindset and training
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Chuck ole' buddy, how bout coming over and throw a little baseball with me? Oops, sorry, I only have left-handed gloves so you'll have to throw with your left! I'm sure you'll be fine though, it's just a mindset.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
If you want to make a lefty HOTAS because you want one, go for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's mighty kind of you there Chuck, giving me your OK like that. Uh, oh! I've already done it and made several of them by now but I guess your approval works retroactively. Hope so. I don't want to get in trouble with you or your pal lbhskier37.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
If you want to make a lefty HOTAS because you want one, go for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if I don't want one, can I still make one? Just want to make sure I understand the rules here. I get nervous if I think I'm doing something wrong.

steve_v
08-10-2006, 03:26 PM
take it to the PT please.

Chuck_Older
08-10-2006, 05:52 PM
Homey, check your PTs

HomeBoy1953
08-10-2006, 08:01 PM
Chuck,
I apologize for over-reacting in my post. I should have been more civil or just have kept my big mouth shut.

alphalvr
08-11-2006, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HomeBoy1953:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HomeBoy1953:
Too bad Saitek is such junk! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I shouldn't have bad mouthed Saitek like that. The truth is, Saitek is just lower end stuff at affordable prices. They certainly have their niche. I should not have called it "junk."

My appologies please! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

tut tut!! i happen to adore my x52 throttle coupled with cyborg evo force feedback, almost the perfect setup 4 me. trackir helps of course and i just went the whole hog and ordered simpeds f16 pedals from germany.

online dudes....beware....im coming he he http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Freelancer-1
08-11-2006, 10:28 AM
Hi HomeBoy

Nice workmanship. Should make some people very happy.

Question: Did you ask the CH boys why they locked your thread?

At least it wasn't deleted.

Seems to me that if they don't want to do anything for the lefties they should at least give you some slack. In the end they may sell more product because of you.

HomeBoy1953
08-11-2006, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
Did you ask the CH boys why they locked your thread?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Free,
I'm glad you asked that question. I was afraid people would get the wrong impression about that.

The thread was locked because Revvin (the forum admin) wanted to make all the sticky threads read-only so they won't get cluttered with replys. The thinking is if you want to discuss, you can start a thread yourself. You'll notice that all the stickys are locked.

CH Products has been simply wonderful about this project. They have gone out of their way to support me, provided me equipment, etc. If you go to their main page www.ch-hangar.com (http://www.ch-hangar.com) you will see that my ad is the first thing you'll see.

If you think about it, CH can only win on this deal. I have brought them business they would not have gotten otherwise. I am doing this mostly to help other lefties have a decent option rather than buy those Saitek "erector set" things and try to make it fit their left hand. It's a ton of work to do this and definitely NOT a money maker for me but I am glad to help.

Phalcon_51
08-11-2006, 11:55 AM
Homeboy,

Just out of curiosity, as I'm a righty, did you ever get the molds to work or are you modifying each set individually like you did the prototype? What was the main problem with the molds? Btw, I'm really impressed with the work you've done on this and the final product looks excellent! I wish I had your skills.

Freelancer-1
08-11-2006, 10:03 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, HomeBoy.

I'm glad the company is working with you and not against you. If only all companies were so wise.

Oh...and don't mind Chuck. He's rubbed everyone the wrong way at one time or another. But underneath that crusty exterior, he's just a big, cuddly, teddy bear http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good luck in your venture,

HomeBoy1953
08-13-2006, 01:55 PM
Here's a little twist to things.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n199/snomhf/finishedExterior.jpg

This is an old CH Force FX gameport stick gutted of its JS components and replaced with FighterStick inards. The FF is handled by the circuit boards out of a Logitech Wingman FF stick (haven't installed those yet).

Our buddy Sparx is the author of this really cool mod. He calls it the "Franken Force." Many thanks to you Sparx.

TgD Thunderbolt56
08-15-2006, 08:00 PM
That's awesome Mark! Between you, Sparx and Ghost I can't decide where to turn next...

hmmm...I DO have a birthday right around the corner and with my pc build on the shelf (until core2 becomes more readily available and next-gen VC's are out) I decided to go with a 42" LCD or plasma TV for the bedroom...or did I? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif