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CzechTexan
12-27-2006, 10:42 PM
woooHoooo! I just got my copy of the #3 in the series of the Black Cross Red Star books subtitled: All for Stalingrad. I ordered mine thru Amazon and they had me expecting it to arrive in February!
Looks to be an excellent work and the publishers did a great job printing it.
Has lots of good info from the time period of Summer thru Winter '42.
Highlighting the Stalingrad campaign, Murmansk and Leningrad areas, and female pilots, to name a few of the topics.

Of particular interest to me is the Battle for Rzhev, west of Moscow, taking place simultaneously as the Stalingrad battle. This was a ferocious battle detailed very well in a book by a different author. I look forward to reading what Bergstrom has about the air battles for Rzhev in this new book.

This book is indeed a classic in its own time.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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CzechTexan
12-27-2006, 10:42 PM
woooHoooo! I just got my copy of the #3 in the series of the Black Cross Red Star books subtitled: All for Stalingrad. I ordered mine thru Amazon and they had me expecting it to arrive in February!
Looks to be an excellent work and the publishers did a great job printing it.
Has lots of good info from the time period of Summer thru Winter '42.
Highlighting the Stalingrad campaign, Murmansk and Leningrad areas, and female pilots, to name a few of the topics.

Of particular interest to me is the Battle for Rzhev, west of Moscow, taking place simultaneously as the Stalingrad battle. This was a ferocious battle detailed very well in a book by a different author. I look forward to reading what Bergstrom has about the air battles for Rzhev in this new book.

This book is indeed a classic in its own time.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.
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Missions I've created are here: http://www.freewebs.com/czechtexan/il2sturmovikmissions.htm , http://www.flying-legends.net/ , http://mission4today.com/ , Netwings.org

BillyTheKid_22
12-27-2006, 11:07 PM
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tagTaken2
12-28-2006, 01:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.

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I did not know this.

Birthday in a couple of months, it seemed greedy to get the book for Christmas as well.

DuxCorvan
12-28-2006, 02:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tagTaken2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
80% of all German casualties in WW2 were on the Eastern Front.

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I did not know this.
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Add the huge number of Finns, Spaniards, Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc. that also lie there -not counting the 20.000.000 (!) of dead in Soviet side- and you have an idea of the magnitude of that human disaster.

Bewolf
12-28-2006, 03:17 AM
Jup, the eastern front was "the" war in world war 2. All other areas were really only sideshows compared to those battles.

And I still have to get Volume 3 of the series. My only gripe is the completly different layout compared to the first two books, won't look too good putting them next to each other. But I guess that is just a small detail =)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Bewolf

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They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

MadBadVlad
12-28-2006, 08:27 AM
Great book isn't it! I thought the quality of printing and binding was of a very high standard and much better than Vols 1 and 2. Excellent first hand accounts of action and the colour profiles are some of the best I have seen in print.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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robbiminator
12-28-2006, 01:57 PM
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume?

UberDemon
12-28-2006, 06:22 PM
Yep,

Got my from Amazon.com today too... I had put my order back in June 6th and forgot about it... what a nice surprise.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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scottmal1
12-28-2006, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really hope this gets reprinted as i have vol 2 and am getting vol3 and would obviously like vol1 (cant afford the 200+ i've seen on ebay!)

CzechTexan
12-28-2006, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too long ago the author, Bergstrom, made a post in this forum. If I remember right, Volumes 1 and 2 will be reprinted a little later.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Esel1964
12-28-2006, 11:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too long ago the author, Bergstrom, made a post in this forum. If I remember right, Volumes 1 and 2 will be reprinted a little later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does Bergstrom,the author have any connection to John August Bergstrom,the namesake for Bergstrom AFB,Austin?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

BillyTheKid_22
12-29-2006, 01:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too long ago the author, Bergstrom, made a post in this forum. If I remember right, Volumes 1 and 2 will be reprinted a little Yes, later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does Bergstrom,the author have any connection to John August Bergstrom,the namesake for Bergstrom AFB,Austin? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, My Cousin still work at Bergstrm AFB, Austin,Tx. and Engineering! My Cousin retired Air Force 24 years. Cool!!

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Esel1964
12-29-2006, 01:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too long ago the author, Bergstrom, made a post in this forum. If I remember right, Volumes 1 and 2 will be reprinted a little Yes, later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does Bergstrom,the author have any connection to John August Bergstrom,the namesake for Bergstrom AFB,Austin? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, My Cousin still work at Bergstrm AFB, Austin,Tx. and Engineering! Cool!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Bergstromafb-0362.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hated to see the Air Force give the old Gal up,we used to get to see F-4 Phantom flights of 2-3 planes(occasionally)-though this was 20-25 yr. ago<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/200px-Bomber.jpg

Lyrics from Naked Raygun's "Rat Patrol".
"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

BillyTheKid_22
12-29-2006, 01:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CzechTexan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not too long ago the author, Bergstrom, made a post in this forum. If I remember right, Volumes 1 and 2 will be reprinted a little Yes, later. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does Bergstrom,the author have any connection to John August Bergstrom,the namesake for Bergstrom AFB,Austin? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, My Cousin still work at Bergstrm AFB, Austin,Tx. and Engineering! Cool!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Bergstromafb-0362.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hated to see the Air Force give the old Gal up,we used to get to see F-4 Phantom flights of 2-3 planes(occasionally)-though this was 20-25 yr. ago </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know !! ok!! not worry!! I am sorry!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MadBadVlad
12-29-2006, 03:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robbiminator:
Does anybody know what happened to the supposed re-print of the first volume? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The latest on this was that there will be no reprint of Volume 1. There will however be a new series starting this year by the same author which looks more at the planning and strategy side of the eastern air war and volume 1 of that series will apparently update the original Volume 1 of BCRS (although at 144 pages it will be less than half the size of BCRS 1). More info here http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/barbarossabook.htm<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ytareh
12-29-2006, 11:04 AM
For anyone (rich/mad/both?- enough)tempted to splash out on a Volume 1/ONE for SERIOUS three figure money I feel I should warn you this is NOT a pretty to look at coffee table style book like Vol 2.It has no colour photos whatsoever and many of the B&W ones are a bit grainy/poor quality.It is better suited to academics/serious Eastern Front students.It is a better READ than Volume 2 .
Vol 2 is a very colourful pretty book-compulsory for fans of IL2(- but the text is not as exciting as the rear panel suggests!-heart racing account of a pilot being shot down in flames)
Vol3 ?Well I havent seen it yet-If the profiles are an improvement on the stunning Sundin drawn ones in Vol 2 I would be amazed.However this latest edition is a bit too expensive at the moment for me....

tagTaken2
12-29-2006, 11:50 AM
Arrrgh... how hard is it for the publisher to make an electronic copy available for paid download? I'd love to have the first volume, but I'll be damned if I'll give some greedy opportunist on ebay several hundred dollars that the authors will not benefit from.

pdog1
12-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Hey guys, this book is now aviable at squadron.com
I made the big mistake from ordering from Eagle Edition. They raped me on shipping 15 bucks, and it took like more than 2 weeks to arrive. They suck.
Order from squadron.com and it will come much faster and shipping is only 3-4 bucks.
Screw Eagle Edition.
about the book it self, its pretty nice, only complaint i have is the gay color green duskjacket. And the dumb picture of a 109 on the cover. They could have continued it like the first two vols and put a nice painting and black color. that gay green color next to the two black vols is retared. oh well ahaha