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92SqnGCJimbo
04-25-2005, 11:13 AM
just a quick question... would it be possible to make a spit 1a??

could someone not just docter a vb???

just a thought

JG53Frankyboy
04-25-2005, 12:01 PM
sure, it would be not sooo much work in 3Dmax - BUT i doubt maddox would accept it.
because of the future BoB game.

and it would be another plane without map, from what we already have enough !

p1ngu666
04-25-2005, 12:50 PM
could do a Va, that would be nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Monson74
04-25-2005, 12:52 PM
A Va would be on par with the Bf109E-4 I think.

PBNA-Boosher
04-25-2005, 12:54 PM
mmm.... Va

92SqnGCJimbo
04-25-2005, 01:42 PM
thats what i really woul like... something other than the hurri where we could do early western front combat...

Fennec_P
04-26-2005, 08:33 PM
Absence makes the heart grow fonder. *marks BoB release date on his calender*

LeadSpitter_
04-26-2005, 09:13 PM
It wouldnt effect BOB at all, a bob map and spitmk1a.

We desperately need a dover map spitmk1a and bf110c4 in this game without a doubt.

We are all going to buy olegs bob just for the higher poly models and cockpits anyways so i dont see the harm in adding them to this game whatso ever.

Back when the NDA didnt ruin sites like il2center there was models of the mk1a and cockpit, i think they were on netwings also.

Well heres to hoping so we can actually see some people flying the emils online. It also might get the attention of 1c to rework the strenght of 8 .303s for bobs engine, becuase if they are anything like we have in game now adding negative g cut out to the spitfire mk1a brits wont stang a snowballs chance in hell.

I really hope Battle of Britian its not like fb aep pf where the lw won the war on the eastern and western front easily and still claim to have all undermodeled ac as we see in orr.

A three second burst should flame a he111 engine from a hurricane mk1a with 8 .303s try it in 3.04 on a unarmed he111 with 100 convergence even same with the emil.

I also dont get why theres so much whining over the german 20mm which is much more powerful then 8 .50 cals in game.

Like in battle of britian average 2-3 20mm hits on a spitfires wing or hurricane would make the pilot bail.

On the western front from a p-51b on a 109 or 190, 10-12 hits and the pilots would bail and ac would be in flames and thats at 300meters not 100-200m like we have to use in game.

Also there is no talk about the japanese 20mm cannon which in incrediably underpowered.

Sry for the *****ing, S to the spitfire mkia being in this game.

Badsight.
04-26-2005, 10:41 PM
well it would detract from BoB if we got the planes in it in FB

& the MkIIb is far & away the one to pick

LeadSpitter_
04-27-2005, 12:58 AM
Not really badsight it would be a good warmup and make people flock to the stores for Battle of Britian when its ready, and those who cant afford the latest computer out every 6 months would still have fun in fb aep pf.

faustnik
04-27-2005, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:

A three second burst should flame a he111 engine from a hurricane mk1a with 8 .303s try it in 3.04 on a unarmed he111 with 100 convergence even same with the emil.

Out of that small rant from left field this one part made sense. It's a real problem with the DM modeling. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh, and a BoB era Spit would be great.

Dolemite-
04-27-2005, 01:30 AM
The Spit Mk.1 was in development for FB+AEP (Not BoB) I dont know if it was dropped or not but from the pics I saw it looked finished. It was a conversion from the Mk.V 3d model.

But like I said it may have been dropped.

HotelBushranger
04-27-2005, 02:33 AM
I thought the Mk2 was the most widely used (in BoB) Spitfire? I'm pretyt sure because I opened up a thread just last week asking for the Spit Mk1, and somebody told me the Mk2 was the one I was thinking of.

Henkie_
04-27-2005, 02:48 AM
Spit Mk1a has more right to be in this game then 109Z or the other rare prototype planes and jets that nobody fly, but still are in FB.

Bring on the Mk1a pls! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Badsight.
04-27-2005, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by Henkie_:
Spit Mk1a has more right to be in this game then 109Z or the other rare prototype planes and jets that nobody fly, but still are in FB. HEY !

easy with the "nobody flys" comments thank you !

reverendkrv1972
04-27-2005, 06:24 AM
surely judging by IL2(onwards) we can look forward to having access to every mark of spitfire used in combat? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
usually(though not in PF(unfortunately))we get a vast lineup of an aircrafts variants.

here's looking forward to BoB,Df'ing over the White cliffs will be lovely http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

all the best,

Rev

Henkie_
04-27-2005, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Henkie_:
Spit Mk1a has more right to be in this game then 109Z or the other rare prototype planes and jets that nobody fly, but still are in FB. HEY !

easy with the "nobody flys" comments thank you ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HEY!

I am sorry, if you are the nobody. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
04-27-2005, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
I thought the Mk2 was the most widely used (in BoB) Spitfire? I'm pretyt sure because I opened up a thread just last week asking for the Spit Mk1, and somebody told me the Mk2 was the one I was thinking of.
Spitfire Mark I and Mark II were essentially the same plane. The Mark I was technically the first on the frontlines and before the Battle of Britain there were a few differences (they didn't have the same canopy hood) but by August of 1940 you can likely safely say that all Mark Is were the equivalent of the Mark IIs. Differences were minor...the biggest being that Mark IIs came from Castle Bromwich. However, I don't think the majority of Spitfires on the line during BoB were of the Mark II variety. I'm pretty certain most were Mark Is (with upgades) and that the Mark II became more readily available by October or thereabouts.

As for German fighter comparison sake...the Spitfire Mark I and Bf.109E-3/4 were roughly on par with each other. I think the 109 was a bit faster while the Spitfire was slightly more manueverable. There was no large edge in performance for either...pilot skill was the biggest factor. I think this is great for gameplay as the RAF and Luftwaffe sides will be very evenly matched.

The Mark V was a plane roughly on par with the Bf.109Fs.

JG53Frankyboy
04-27-2005, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
.................As for German fighter comparison sake...the Spitfire Mark I and Bf.109E-3/4 were roughly on par with each other. I think the 109 was a bit faster while the Spitfire was slightly more manueverable. There was no large edge in performance for either...pilot skill was the biggest factor. I think this is great for gameplay as the RAF and Luftwaffe sides will be very evenly matched.

The Mark V was a plane roughly on par with the Bf.109Fs.

than a PFm Spitfire Mk.I would be **** slow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i would like more to see a Spitfire Mk.IXc for 1942 than the Mk.I - just personal preferences because of Missionbuilding.
for a Mk.I i realy would miss southern england - sure could be "faked" with the Gulf of Finnland map . but thats not the real stuff

92SqnGCJimbo
04-27-2005, 09:50 AM
the main difference between the spit 1 and II is that the mk 2 were brand new 1a's

the mk1 had the 2 blade fixed wooden propellor and no bubble canopy. the mk 1a's was the designation used for mk1's that had the 3 blade unit fitted and the malcolm hood while in service.mkII's were 1a's that were made with the changes..

JG53Frankyboy
04-27-2005, 09:54 AM
not true ?

Spitfire IA & IB
Original production model with 1,030hp Merlin II, eight browning 0.303 in. machine guns (initially only four fitted because of short supply) or Mk IB two 20mm and four .303 machine guns.

Spitfire II
Castle Bromwich aircraft with small minor changes and 1,175hp Merlin XII engine.

92SqnGCJimbo
04-27-2005, 10:04 AM
originally mkII's were engined with the 1030 hp merlin.. the mk 1b was a 1a with 2 20mm cannon.. the early mk 2's were a in all effect the same spec as the 1a (plus a few extras) it was at the end of the bob that the mkII became a plane in its own right with the more powerful merlin

Enforcer572005
04-27-2005, 09:42 PM
Even if we dont get the spit MK1, East Anglia would still seem to be mandatory in a sim with late model B17s and B24s, as well as normandy and parts of western europe. THat would make 8th AF scenarios (a wealtlh of history) practical. Kind of hard coming up with a realistic scenario involving such planes without the location most of the allied aircraft in the west flew out of. Even MS cfs1 had that.

And there's nothing in any MS cfs sim that this outfit can't exceed-in my opinionated opinion.

Badsight.
04-27-2005, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Henkie_:
HEY!

I am sorry, if you are the nobody. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif no im Badsight , & you need to get out & try other DF rooms & coops besides purely historical ones

I_Jg3_BARKHORN
04-28-2005, 01:07 AM
Mk II's also had the Koufman (Sp)?? Starter blister on the front lower right side of the cowl. MkI's were inertial start. ( i seem to recall).
S!
S!

Henkie_
04-28-2005, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Henkie_:
HEY!

I am sorry, if you are the nobody. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif no im Badsight , & you need to get out & try other DF rooms & coops besides purely historical ones </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No thanks, not interesting for me. That is more for you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Historical matchups are more interesting.

And the Mk1a will be a very good addition for the BOB planeset in FB. Only we will need also a good BOB map then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Badsight.
04-28-2005, 10:38 PM
your loss

& you are , trust me

JS312RAF
04-29-2005, 02:09 AM
its a pitty that we dont have some early spits.. its my 2nd biggest wish.. just after real engine sounds.. my dream is to hear and see Spitfire MkIa flyby http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(little teaser) (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=45410763&m=7351089513&r=7351089513#7351089513)

ploughman
04-29-2005, 02:30 AM
As far as flaming He 111 engines with a burst of .303 fire, I think it is correct that the Heinkels in the game are 41 or later models and therefore would have superior armour protection modelled including armour to the engines. The 1940 Heinkels lacked this and were easier prey for .303 shooting planes.

Henkie_
04-29-2005, 03:17 AM
Correct Jura,

It's a pity of the engine sound of the spits.
If they can make a fantasy dweeb plane like the 109Z they must be able to make a correct engine sound for the spit also http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pls Oleg, bring the merlin sound! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Monson74
04-29-2005, 05:40 AM
& a just a small BoB-map would be great - somthing like the Kuban map we have but with Dover/Calais. 1C should consider it a "BoB-demo". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif