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icrash
01-26-2006, 06:02 PM
Well a co-worker has given me an RC airplane; more specifically a Lanier Stinger 10. He has gone from RC to the real deal and was gonna throw it out. It has not even been built up so now I have something constructive to do. The Stinger 10 is rated for a .09 to .15 two stroke engine. Any suggestions for an engine? I don't need anything expensive because it will probably not get flown but I want to build her flight ready just in case. I was also thinking of a three bladed prop for it.

icrash
01-26-2006, 06:02 PM
Well a co-worker has given me an RC airplane; more specifically a Lanier Stinger 10. He has gone from RC to the real deal and was gonna throw it out. It has not even been built up so now I have something constructive to do. The Stinger 10 is rated for a .09 to .15 two stroke engine. Any suggestions for an engine? I don't need anything expensive because it will probably not get flown but I want to build her flight ready just in case. I was also thinking of a three bladed prop for it.

danjama
01-26-2006, 06:04 PM
i really wanna get an RC plane, ill be watchin the thread closely. sorry i couldnt help

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-26-2006, 06:28 PM
Nice Spit here, dan.... icrash, follow the dealer link if you're in the U.K. Hope it helps.

http://www.ripmax.com/item.asp?itemid=A-TOPA0140&ItemsP...BrandFilter=TopFlite (http://www.ripmax.com/item.asp?itemid=A-TOPA0140&ItemsPerPage=20&BrandFilter=TopFlite)

p-11.cAce
01-26-2006, 06:30 PM
I have flown r/c for half of my 31 years and this is my $.02 for what its worth. The Stinger 10 is a mid-wing aerobatic plane with a symmetrical airfoil and oversize control surfaces: a great fun plane but not one I'd in any way reccommend as a first (or second or prob third) plane. The foam wing will save you some grief when you build it (built up wings are great but it sucks if you get any amount of warp) and the .10 engine will cost you little - Thunder Tiger has a .15 (will work fine and provide a bit more thrust) for $59.95. A Futaba 4yf 4 channel radio with 4 micro-servos will set you back another $120 or so. In the end you will have a nice little airplane that will take a few weeks to build and 3, maybe 4 seconds to snap away from you on takeoff and smear itself into many little pieces. I do not mean this to be mean - every r/c pilot, myself included, was told this by some other experience pilot and we all rekitted one or two planes before deciding that maybe they knew a thing or two. If you are serious about learning r/c (which is not as fun as full size but way more fun than sim time) go here
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/tipsy.htm
and buy it. Smash it into the ground a few dozen times (won't hurt it) and get the basics down. Then step up to one of the hotter planes here (even the p-51 or fw-190 - they still have flat-bottom airfoils)http://www.hobby-lobby.com/parkflyers.htm
Master one of those and start building your Stinger. Once you've got the foamies mastered wait for a VERY calm day and try out the Stinger. Trust me taking these steps will make the difference between heartbreak and success.

knightflyte
01-26-2006, 06:45 PM
I second, third and fourth p-11.cAce's advise.

The plane will also fly faster than your reflexes allow. (not because your slow... but the resultant informaton you're trying to process will cause a natural slowing of reactions)

A high winged plane with a flat bottom airfoil will allow you to release the sticks, and if you're high enough up, and not in some sort of death spiral, will be stable enough to right itself.

I'd recommend something with a 60 inch or larger wingspan. It's easy to see which direction it's going. They at least LOOK like they're flying slower, and also won't be affected by winds as easily as a smaller plane.

VonKlugermon
01-26-2006, 06:59 PM
What P11 said! You might also look into local clubs/enthusiasts for assistance. One of the neater features of the newer radios is "instructor" connectivity. You have your controller and the instructor is connected to yours with his own controller, ready to take over should you start screwing up!

Here's something else to STRONGLY consider: Check local/national laws regarding where and how you can fly your model. These things do move fast and can do quite a bit of damage if you run into something or someone. Liability insurance is absolutely necessary! (In the U.S., most folks join the AMA or similar and get good insurance through them!)

Willy

XyZspineZyX
01-26-2006, 07:21 PM
If you want my recommendation on a cheap trainer in the engine range of your Stinger, go here (http://www.spadtothebone.com/SPAD/SRR/).

Most of them olden guys probably wont agree with me, but if you can get the materials and can follow the instructions, you'll get out a pretty decent trainer that will use the same engine and radio gear as your Stinger.

Yeah, I'm one of those guys that makes RC planes out of that "not-wood" stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p-11.cAce
01-26-2006, 08:20 PM
Skunk thanks for posting that link - I think I've got all the needed parts laying around...I'll have to build me one of those! I do hope that anyone who visits this thread considers r/c - it is a blast! The hardest part is getting past your first few crashes - stick with it you will get better. Before you know it you will be tearing up the sky and spending more $$$ than you ever thought possible http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

icrash
01-26-2006, 09:02 PM
Low Flyer, I'm in the U.S. but thanks for the link. It gives me another place to delve into so I can see what all is out there. Hey Skunk, that's a pretty cool site. I love some of the paint jobs although it is probably mono-kote or something like that. I remember the old days of model airplane dope and the fumes that lingered for a couple of days. I may give one of them a whirl just to build one. Von, there is a field near where I live in Deer Park, Texas where they fly so I'd probably let one of them fly the Stinger instead of me. I'd definately need something very forgiving and slow. The old hand/eye coordination leaves much to be desired at times. P-11, this bird will' in all likelyhood, end up hanging from the ceiling next to my dads' old control line Pitt Special. The engine question was on the off-chance I'd find somebody (who knows what they're doing) to fly it. I definately appreciate all the input so far, it make figuring out what I'm gonna do easier http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

XyZspineZyX
01-27-2006, 08:02 AM
In all this no one has really mentioned any different engines for your Plane.

The plane in my link above uses a .15, which is the max that your Stinger is rated for. Personnally, I'd buy an OS 15LA, but thats just me. Others would recommend something like a Magnum 15BB, because its a little engine that puts out a lot of power.

You can get prices for both engines from www.towerhobbies.com (http://www.towerhobbies.com) I think. I dont recall if they stock Magnum engines, but a google search will help you find them for sure. The 15LA is in the 50$ range and if I recall correctly, the Mag15bb is usually at 49.99$ but often goes on sale for 39.99$. I think Ace mentioned the Thunder tiger, TT's are good engines and highly recommended at most clubs and associations.

But if you want something slow and forgiving, I'd go with the 40 size stuff. 40 size is considered "standard size" in rc, as most standard servos that come with the standard radio system are specifically made for planes in the 40cu.in. engine range.

Other than that, if you want slow, and huge but would still use the .15 because you want to fly your stinger, well you can always get a Dynaflite Butterfly, 100 inch span motorglider.

Troll2k
01-27-2006, 08:09 AM
I used to fly r/c alot.I have not in a long while.

I used to prefer the OS brand of engines.However there might be something better now.

What P-11 said.A mid wing symetrical airfoil plane is a hand full.Good for "fun fly" contest and such.

Balsa sheeted foam wing cores are nice but can very easily have a built in warp.Than is not what you want.I consider sheeted foam wing cores an advanced building technique.

For starters I always recommend the Sig Kadet.Not the best looking plane but the best(in my opinion) training airplane.A lot of dihedral and a flat bottom airfoil.Not only helps you to learn to fly but also helps you to learn to build.

I have seen countless times beginners spending a year building his favorite "scale" model only only to have it auger in just after takeoff.

If you are interested in flying a local club is the best idea.They usually have a flying field and people more than willing to help and answer questions.Some clubs even have designated instructors.They will check the plane out before its maiden voyage to make sure it is built right and safe.They will take it off,let you fly around and then land it for you.That way you get a feel for flying and get to come back another day and fly instead of going home and rebuilding.

knightflyte
01-27-2006, 09:28 AM
For giggles I went to find my "R/C Modeller Magazine's Flight Training Course" by Don Dewey.

It's at least 32 years old.... dog eared and stained with dope and cyanacralite.

Man those radio's were HUGE back then..... and were heavy. Still have my MRC 1976 series radio. LOL

madsarmy
01-27-2006, 11:12 AM
I can build them but not to clever at flying them
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/hehe.jpg

womenfly
01-27-2006, 11:43 AM
"Ouch!" ... madsarmy.

Our family owned a Hobby Shop in Spotswood, NJ back in the 60's and 70'.

We sold, built, flew and trained many of R/C pilot during those years.

Follow the excellent advise above ... all to offen a new R/C pilot buys a P-51 right off the bat, builds it, takes it to the field and winds up with what Madsarmy has now.

Start with a good trainer plane, join a club, they will help you in building, will answer all your questions and teach you to fly using a buddy set-up ... two radios cabled together, one being the dominate for the instructor.

You will have years of fun and enjoyment doing it this way. Then you can move on to the scale aircraft and spend MORE money!

Enjoy ... an agian the guys above know what their talking about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

knightflyte
01-27-2006, 01:52 PM
Wow! madsarmy....
All that damage with an electric motored plane.

It looks like it was a nice plane. Seriously.

Are you going to rebuild or start with a brand new one?

p-11.cAce
01-27-2006, 02:16 PM
That's not damage! This is damage! (or how to turn a few years effort and tens of thousands of $$$$ into scrap)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/b52-2.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/b52-4.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c99/acmeaviator/b52-6.jpg

danjama
01-27-2006, 02:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkII:
Nice Spit here, dan.... icrash, follow the dealer link if you're in the U.K. Hope it helps.

http://www.ripmax.com/item.asp?itemid=A-TOPA0140&ItemsP...BrandFilter=TopFlite (http://www.ripmax.com/item.asp?itemid=A-TOPA0140&ItemsPerPage=20&BrandFilter=TopFlite) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nice!! I just cant afford any more hobbys right now, saving for Uni http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

madsarmy
01-27-2006, 02:56 PM
Womenfly your 100% correct & the advice here is spot on. The problem was at the time the local club were not to noobie friendly.
I now know a few people who I can go to to get the correct training.I do hope to persue the hobby in the near future.

The first RC aircraft I built was a TopFlite 1:7 scale Spitfire MkIX.6 months hard work.
I wouldnt even think of trying to fly it. I would blub like a little baby if I destroyed it. It has a lot of sentimental value also.

knightflyte
I used the wreckage as a template to build a new one from scratch.It took me about four days(long days)

Just noticed the link for the Spitfire above & it's thats the one I've built.

VF-17_DWolf
01-27-2006, 03:29 PM
I had a Stinger 10. I already had plenty of time flying a Sig Kadet, with a 62" wing span or so. and also a PT-20 from Great Planes. The Pt-20 was Modified with a new wing with a Semetrical Airfoil section from the Great Planes Corsair with the 62" span. Flew like it was on rails.

As far as the Stinger 10, it's small, and seems to Flit around instead of fly around. I suggest you make the top and bottom contrasting colors...ie Top=Red, bottom=yellow, because it gets smaller real fast. A few hundred feet away it looks like a dot and it's hard to tell top from bottom. and with a .15 engine it will do about 75mph to 80mph straight and level, and go straight up until it disappears from site. It has a NACA 0015 airfoil which is pretty forgiving if you get into a stall, it's the same airfoil as the B-17.

I put a .25 in my Stinger 10 for giggles, and whew, it did about 95mph to 100mph. With a .15 it made a slight whistling sound when it goes by, with a .25 it screams when it goes by. Can go Straight up with 1/2 throttle and keeps going with no sign of a stall.

With a .25 you need a little weight in the tail. and only 1/2 throttle or less on take off or the Torque will cause a ground loop. Oh, yeah you need to re-inforce the wing with some Carbon fiber tape, along the Spar, and I would put some carbon fiber tape along the lenght of the fuselage. Use Epoxy to apply it. A two bladed prop is usually better for these small engines, Get the right prop for your engine that you buy or you'll have problems.

I would also suggest you get a Sig Kadet for the basic flight training. and when you do fly the Stinger 10 have some one next to you with Binoculars spotting the plane for you. Like a said it turns into a dark dot real fast. You'll need a spotter to tell you which way it's going, if it gets to far away. I almost lost mine because it turned into a dark red dot. A young man, from my Flying club, with 20/10 vision could see it better than me,( My vision was 20/30 corrected.)so I had him fly it back. Thats when I recovered the top of the wing with Yellow monokote, made a big difference.

Have fun with it, but I say that a .15 is more than enough engine for that little plane, don't go any bigger.

VF-17_DWolf.

Chuck_Older
01-27-2006, 05:30 PM
P.11ace-

I saw the footage of that crash and while a damn shame, it was spectacular to see it fly!

p-11.cAce
01-27-2006, 06:38 PM
I'd love to see it - got link?

knightflyte
01-27-2006, 07:55 PM
Oh man.... I saw the crash of the B52 as well.....

I can't remember if it was on iFilms or another 'home movie' type site.

I was just clicking through all the movies. I must have watched 20 or 30 before I came to that particular movie.

Sadly I just reformatted my HD (new years resolution) and will probably not be able to find it.

D'oh!

icrash
01-28-2006, 08:30 PM
Well the Stinger is gonna be a wall hanger. The kit was built up as far as you could go without the hardware & avionics. It had been sitting for who knows how long and a couple parts had come unglued. Since I have know idea what will and won't hold together (although it could be just fine), I'm going to get just the things to finish assembling it. On the plus side, all the helpful advice gives me a head start for when I get the Stinger finished & the tax refund http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

aipilotmarkone
02-02-2006, 03:23 PM
About 15 yrs ago I built a Great Planes PT-Electric and was really proud. Then, I crashed it on first flight trying to avoid a tree.

Get somebody experienced to train you, and practice with an RC simulator. Flying-Model-Simulator (FMS) is free.
http://n.ethz.ch/student/mmoeller/fms/index_e.html

Petey78
02-02-2006, 10:38 PM
Sorry to drag this slightly OT butI saw the B52 model crash in real life, it was at the 2004 British Model Flying Association National Championships at Barkston Heath here in the UK. I've seen a few large models pile in over the years, including a fourteen foot wingspan Wellington with scale geodetic structure, that reduced itself to matchwood, literally exploding into a cloud of fragments. The B52 was by far the most realistic model I've ever seen fly, here's a link to short movie of the maiden take off and landing and then showing the last few moments of the last flight and the crash:

http://www.funrestarea.com/pages/b52_model.shtml

And another showing the model crash flight in full:

http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm

The general consensus was that the wind was blowing too hard that day (I remember it being blustery with quite hard and prolonged gusts). Apparently, (and I don't know if this is true) the full sized B52 cannot exceed a rated angle of bank due to the roll spoilers (not ailerons) losing their effectiveness at high angles of bank. It is alleged that the model suffered the same fate. It took off, made a climbing turn to the right and settled into the downwind leg of the circuit. A wing appeared to drop slightly to the right and then the model smoothly rolled to the left right onto it's back in a spiral dive and crashed behind some trees very close to a farmer's house, the resulting smoke plume as can be seen on the video was very impressive.