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sapper78
07-29-2005, 10:52 AM
First of all, i´d like to apologise the poor quality of some these pics... Planes which were placed in the hangars, were packed so closely together, that i just couldn´t get a decent photos of them... Oh, and they are also quite big...

Let´s start with obligatory "me and a spitfire"-picture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit6.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit5.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit4.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit3.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit1.jpg

Me-262:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262c.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262b.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262a.jpg

Avia C199 (Czech version of bf109 g-14)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia3.jpg

La-7:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7b.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7c.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7d.jpg

P80
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/p80.jpg

A part of a shot down Focke Wulf´s tail:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/fwtail.jpg

One seated Sturmo:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo.jpg

And newer model:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo2.jpg

Sabre
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sabre.jpg

sapper78
07-29-2005, 10:52 AM
First of all, i´d like to apologise the poor quality of some these pics... Planes which were placed in the hangars, were packed so closely together, that i just couldn´t get a decent photos of them... Oh, and they are also quite big...

Let´s start with obligatory "me and a spitfire"-picture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit6.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit5.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit4.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit3.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/spit1.jpg

Me-262:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262c.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262b.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/262a.jpg

Avia C199 (Czech version of bf109 g-14)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/avia3.jpg

La-7:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7b.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7c.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/la7d.jpg

P80
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/p80.jpg

A part of a shot down Focke Wulf´s tail:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/fwtail.jpg

One seated Sturmo:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo.jpg

And newer model:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sturmo2.jpg

Sabre
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b312/kuvatt/sabre.jpg

LStarosta
07-29-2005, 10:57 AM
Dang! Those sure are some nice airplanes!

Hydra444
07-29-2005, 12:06 PM
MUST FLY SABRE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Taylortony
07-29-2005, 12:32 PM
maybe I have a stange mind, but the end of that IL2 Airfilter housing reminds me of one of those monkeys red butts...

MEGILE
07-29-2005, 12:54 PM
w00t!

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

woofiedog
07-29-2005, 01:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Excellent photo's... Thank's for sharing!

I noticed that the F-86 has a Cannon replaceing the 6 50's.
Would you know the history behind the F-86... which I believe is a ex-Pakistan Air Force.

Heliopause
07-29-2005, 01:06 PM
I visited the museum in 2000,
It's packed indeed!!!
They still have those old ladies guarding the place?

S-199 ( Me 109 )
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/S-199.jpg

Fieseler "Storch"
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/Fi-156.jpg

Jet-engine Jumo 0004
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/Jumo0004.jpg

Sukhoi jet
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/Sukhoi.jpg

Utchoud
07-29-2005, 02:31 PM
Hi,

I'd like to add some corrections:

The P-80 is in reality a T-33 (training version), and the "Sukhoi jet" is either a MiG-23 or a MiG-27 (MiG-23, I think).

I believe the Sabre is one of the Canadair versions produced in Canada, so there may be differences in some details. I'm not sure about it.

Utchoud

Utchoud
07-29-2005, 02:48 PM
And a quiz question:

On some pictures, you can see a plane...

On the second Me 262 picture, behind the Me 262 on the left side and a little up is a silver plane (you see a part of the tactical number - 51). Who can identify it? You can see it again on the first Avia CS-199 (another little correction) picture, above the Avia's tail.

(Avia CS-199 was a two-seater, trainer. The S-199 is the more famous variant shipped to Israel.)

Edit: have to correct myself. The first Avia picture is an S-199, the second and third are CS-199, and the Heliopause's one is an S-199.

Utchoud

p1ngu666
07-29-2005, 09:13 PM
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PBNA-Boosher
07-29-2005, 11:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hydra444:
MUST FLY SABRE http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed

jarink
07-30-2005, 12:07 AM
It appears to be a Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation CA-27 Sabre.

From http://airtoaircombat.com/background.asp?id=53&bg=484:
"A small number of Sabres, 112 in all, were built by Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (CAC) in Australia. Although they were externally very similar to other Sabre fighter variants, they featured major structural redesign, to accommodate the powerful Rolls-Royce RA.7 Avon engine with 3,400 kilograms (7,500 pounds) thrust, and revised armament of two 30-millimeter Aden revolver cannon, with a total of 162 rounds of ammunition.

The major visible difference of the Aussie Sabres was that they had two big gun ports on the nose instead of six relatively little ones. The Avon was lighter than the J47 and required substantial airframe changes to ensure center of gravity and provide more intake airflow. The fit of the twin Aden cannon was not only very different from that of the six Brownings, but the cannon mounts had to be very sturdy as the weapons were big, powerful, and had a high rate of fire."

altstiff
07-30-2005, 12:57 AM
Love the IL-2 pic!

woofiedog
07-30-2005, 01:12 AM
jarink... Thank's for the info.

A little info on the 86... Commonwealth CA-27 Sabre Mk 31
923 converted to components Aug 1965. Fuselage and wings noted at Jandakot 1988.

After being declared surplus to RAAF requirements, some eighteen Sabre Mk.32s were supplied during 1969 through 1971 to the Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM), or Royal Malaysian Air Force. The first Sabres arrived in Malaysia in October of 1969. RAAF serials were A94-353/354, -359, -362/365, -367, -369, and -371. Two nonflying examples (A94-356 and A94-357) were also supplied as training aids. Six more Avon Sabres were delivered to Malaysia in November of 1971 (RAAF serials were A94-946, -948, -978, -979, -983, and -987). No. 11 Squadron of the TUDM flew the type until April of 1978, when they were finally phased out of TUDM service and were replaced by Northrop F-5A and F-5B Freedom Fighters. Five were transferred to Indonesia in August of 1976, and A94-983 was returned to Australia for restoration to flying condition for the RAAF Historic Flight.

In February of 1973, the Indonesian government ordered 18 ex-RAAF Avon Sabres for the Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara, or Indonesian Republican Air Force. They replaced the unserviceable MiGs that previously equipped the Indonesian air force. All Sabres were initially operated by No. 14 Squadron (renamed Satuan Sergap (Fighter Unit) F-86 in 1974). These aircraft were supplemented by another five Avon Sabres purchased from Malaysia in July of 1976 as attrition replacements. On September 1, 1978, Satuan Sergap F-86 was redesignated SkU 14. The surviving aircraft were withdrawn and replaced by Northrop F-5E/Fs in the early 1980s.

Heliopause
07-30-2005, 01:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And a quiz question:

On some pictures, you can see a plane...

On the second Me 262 picture, behind the Me 262 on the left side and a little up is a silver plane (you see a part of the tactical number - 51). Who can identify it? You can see it again on the first Avia CS-199 (another little correction) picture, above the Avia's tail. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe one of the Yakovlev stable....

IVJG51_Swine
07-30-2005, 02:29 AM
Great pics...Thanks for posting them. I love museum pictures!!!! ~S~

Utchoud
07-30-2005, 04:36 AM
I was looking for some information about the museum. The Sabre is indeed a Commonwealth CA-27. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif jarink. The MiG is a MiG-23BN (fighter-bomber)

More photos (small, though) are on the website of the museum, here (http://www.militarymuseum.cz/cz/cz/gallery.php?id=3&actual=0), here (http://www.militarymuseum.cz/cz/cz/gallery.php?id=3&actual=16) and here (http://www.militarymuseum.cz/cz/cz/muzeum_expo.php?id=3) (click on plane name). The "english" link doesn't work, but you don't need any translation for that...

The plane I was asking about is a Yak-23. The plane to the left of the Me 262, with the P-80 like wingtip droptanks, is a Yak-17, another interesting bird.

Utchoud

Ankanor
07-30-2005, 04:48 AM
the "51" looks like a Yak-23 to me.

Edit: darn, I'm late http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Utchoud
07-30-2005, 05:00 AM
Sorry I told it so early, I am leaving for a couple of days and I didn't want to leave you here alone, arguing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Even though, congratulations, Ankanor.

Ankanor
07-30-2005, 05:56 AM
what's the prize? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I'd settle for a couple of female slaves http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif