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Yskonyn23
05-08-2007, 03:31 AM
After having ploughed through various types of aircraft in the sim over a year or so never ever getting accustomed to one I decided to take some serious advice by heart.

Choose an aircraft that you (think you) like, then try to get as much info about it as possible and master it in-game.

The Lightning is an eye-catcher and therefore my choice for now, but 3 questions remain:
1) Is it used on HL servers frequently?
2) In the past people complained about poor modelling of the a/c, how is it now?
3) Are there other jocks around wishing to share knowledge, experiences?

Thanks gents!

Yskonyn23
05-08-2007, 03:31 AM
After having ploughed through various types of aircraft in the sim over a year or so never ever getting accustomed to one I decided to take some serious advice by heart.

Choose an aircraft that you (think you) like, then try to get as much info about it as possible and master it in-game.

The Lightning is an eye-catcher and therefore my choice for now, but 3 questions remain:
1) Is it used on HL servers frequently?
2) In the past people complained about poor modelling of the a/c, how is it now?
3) Are there other jocks around wishing to share knowledge, experiences?

Thanks gents!

DKoor
05-08-2007, 05:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yskonyn23:
After having ploughed through various types of aircraft in the sim over a year or so never ever getting accustomed to one I decided to take some serious advice by heart. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nice move!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Choose an aircraft that you (think you) like, then try to get as much info about it as possible and master it in-game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>+1

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Lightning is an eye-catcher </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yep

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">1) Is it used on HL servers frequently? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2) In the past people complained about poor modelling of the a/c, how is it now? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Nice you can make a good use of it either as JABO or in the fighter role

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3) Are there other jocks around wishing to share knowledge, experiences? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes there are many of them, PM them on HL or you can find some "P-38 names" on WarClouds plane stat (http://www.war-clouds.com/modules.php?name=TARGET&theatre=WF&op=planeselect) page etc.

Yskonyn23
05-08-2007, 06:00 AM
Thanks DKoor,

Funny that you reply as I just downloaded your skin packs from mission4today!
Great job you've done on those! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Are you (still) flying the P-38 a lot or did you just do the skins?

What servers on HL feature the P-38s?
Any advice you can spare on actually operating the aircraft in-game? Speeds, tactics, you name it.

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 06:34 AM
Lumps.

big lumps.

you gonna learn the 38, you gonna take a lotta lumps

take the most porked, and most demanding type in game to fly and times it by 10, thats the 38

PS dont expect any other type in game to go through compressability like you willhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Deadmeat313
05-08-2007, 06:36 AM
I see the P-38 a lot on HL. It is much improved over earlier incarnations - something even I could see even though I only rarely fly the bird. I've even managed to successfully fight Japanese aircraft in it - though the few times I've taken it up against the Luftwaffe I've died badly. Most likely because I don't really know how to fly her to her strengths. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Certainly, when I occasionally fly LW I've been shot sown by P-38s more than once. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I reckon if you're willing to learn its secrets it'll serve you well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

Yskonyn23
05-08-2007, 06:54 AM
Well the story goes that speed is the key.
Don't try to get into a turning fight, but use speed to get energy and energy to get into a climb, etc...

Now all I have to do is master that! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

But still; what servers have the P-38s available?

DKoor
05-08-2007, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yskonyn23:
Thanks DKoor,

Funny that you reply as I just downloaded your skin packs from mission4today!
Great job you've done on those! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm glad you like 'em!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are you (still) flying the P-38 a lot or did you just do the skins? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I rarely fly the P-38 nowadays.... but I enjoy it especially in the PTO very much.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What servers on HL feature the P-38s? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Of more serious one, WarClouds, WingsOverEurope, WindsOfWar, Historia, Zeke Vs Wildcat... etc. It's not that rare breed TBH.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Any advice you can spare on actually operating the aircraft in-game? Speeds, tactics, you name it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Don't know.... I would outline good tactical knowledge because with 38 you're gonna need it. It is fast but it isn't really one of the fastest because of compressibility (Daiichi is right).
It is indeed one of the most porked planes in the game, but even in this current state it can do a proper job online.

In fact it is the best ground pounder IMHO. Overall. It carries extreme l0ads of rockets and bombs it's extremely fast for that kind of aircraft and it has two engines that will provide you excellent survivability.
Of course vs enemy fighters story isn't quite that bright....

But believe me, I've seen dedicated guys who can make miracles with "our" 38.

BadA1m
05-08-2007, 07:58 AM
Wether or not the P-38 is available will depend largely on the Map and its time period/missions on the historical based servers, I see them quite often on Zekes v Wildcats, but obviously when the map rotates to a carrier engagement it won't be there. You may want to decide first what Type of settings(i.e. full switch,etc)and settings (i.e. pacific,europe) you prefer, then chose your servers that way. In any case you will almost certainly need a 'backup' plane or two, (fortunately most of the american planes are best flown very similarly)

BadA1m
05-08-2007, 08:07 AM
Oh, and when you're on Zekes v Wildcats the P-38 is best flown low and slow and when a swarm of Zeros shows up don't move around to much so that you can enjoy the pretty twinkles in your mirror, at least for a short time. (I'm kidding, I'm just kidding!)

One thing you MUST do to be any good with the 'murcan planes is practice your high closure rate gunnery, because if your flying right you will have a very short time to fire and you'll need to make it count.

BrotherVoodoo
05-08-2007, 08:41 AM
Map a button to the airbrake, you WILL use it in this plane. I finally figured this out a couple of weeks ago and my death dives are no more. Nice to momentarily click on the brake for a tight turn too

JtD
05-08-2007, 08:45 AM
Fun plane, can dogfight German contemporaries on 1vs1 pretty well. In slow speed moves, use your flaps, they make a huge difference.

In a many vs. many engagement, it is not the best bird to fly, it's just a too large target.

I use it mainly as a fighter bomber, and nine out of ten times it gets me home safely. Means that I often have folks start at my high 6 and it's usually them who go down in flames.

hi_stik
05-08-2007, 09:00 AM
contrary to popular opinion, the compressibility issue is not impossible to overcome (I am referring to the P-38J; The "L" versions have dive flaps, rendering the issue moot). Simply remember this: Don't make vertical dives, limit the angle of descent to 30 degrees or so. Also, chop throttle before commencing the dive. Lastly, use combat flaps to recover, flick them on and off, don't activate them and leave them on. With a little practice, you'll find that you can still dive hard on a target and still not auger in. The key is to avoid the straight descent.

Another P-38 trick is to kick full rudder into the direction of a roll, it will improve your roll rate.

Finally, always use combat flaps when putting any sort of back pressure on the stick; it will vastly improve your turn rate. Remember to retract them as soon as you return to level flight, so you accelerate rapidly.

Don't be afraid to take long range shots, the guns in the nose eliminate any convergence issues. And don't leave the fight when you run out of cannon ammo, the .50's work plenty well.

Oh, and if you're attacking a Betty bomber (G4M), aim for the wings, and WATCH OUT FOR THE BUTT CANNON.

DKoor
05-08-2007, 09:07 AM
Just wanna say that trim makes wonders too. Elevator trim.

Longpo
05-08-2007, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Fun plane, can dogfight German contemporaries on 1vs1 pretty well. In slow speed moves, use your flaps, they make a huge difference.

In a many vs. many engagement, it is not the best bird to fly, it's just a too large target. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The distinctive shape of the Lightning is abit of a disadvantage as well; so if you fly it in a big furball expect plenty of bandits on your tail.

One thing to-do is practice gunnery with it, you can pull off some good deflection shots with the 38 and the guns have some pretty good range.

JtD
05-08-2007, 10:55 AM
So what exactly was stupid?

Longpo
05-08-2007, 11:00 AM
Nothing..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


I just used the wrong smiley.

DKoor
05-08-2007, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post".

JtD
05-08-2007, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Longpo:
Nothing..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


I just used the wrong smiley. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

faustnik
05-08-2007, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

Yskonyn23
05-08-2007, 03:06 PM
Thanks guys for the input.
I am sure my time will be interesting with the 38s! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Longpo:
The distinctive shape of the Lightning is abit of a disadvantage as well; so if you fly it in a big furball expect plenty of bandits on your tail.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless of course, you WANT them to come to you so you can scratch a few bandits. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Always make something positive out of something negative!

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
contrary to popular opinion, the compressibility issue is not impossible to overcome </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the problem with it is that it occurs at too low a speed, and under 20,000ft, contrary to all known documentation


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
Simply remember this: Don't make vertical dives, limit the angle of descent to 30 degrees or so. Also, chop throttle before commencing the dive. Lastly, use combat flaps to recover, flick them on and off, don't activate them and leave them on. With a little practice, you'll find that you can still dive hard on a target and still not auger in. The key is to avoid the straight descent. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

im assuming this reffers to flying the J, as with the L/late, DRF will allow you to do full throttle vert dives

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
Finally, always use combat flaps when putting any sort of back pressure on the stick; it will vastly improve your turn rate. Remember to retract them as soon as you return to level flight, so you accelerate rapidly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

only use combat flaps at altitude, or when less than 450kph, or completely desparate!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
Don't be afraid to take long range shots, the guns in the nose eliminate any convergence issues. And don't leave the fight when you run out of cannon ammo, the .50's work plenty well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

use the 50s only, saving 20mm for A-1 firing solutions only, this will signifigantly extend your live fire duration[/QUOTE]


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hi_stik:
Oh, and if you're attacking a Betty bomber (G4M), aim for the wings, and WATCH OUT FOR THE BUTT CANNON. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

true enough!!!...but always best to attack any bomber, from any fighter, with head on shots, belly shots or front oblique attacks only



the 38 is actually an amazing turner, considering its weight...and CAN df admirably...in fact, it does almost everythgng exceedingly well.....its just that the pilot has to be VERY selective when and where he utilizes its virtues, the wrong choice at wrong time WILL be death, given its limitations, particularly the in-game limitations it must carry

polak5
05-08-2007, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

faustnik
05-08-2007, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

AKA_TAGERT
05-08-2007, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Daiichidoku
05-08-2007, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
So what exactly was stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It's the stupid smiley

That basically should mean that someone agrees with you, but it's really a stupid smiley.
No bad intentions.
But the more (perhaps most) ******ed smiley is "I approve of this post". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Yskonyn23
05-09-2007, 03:19 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You bunch of topic hijackers... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Gibbage1
05-09-2007, 04:47 AM
The P-38's in-ability to take ANY damage at all, its 200 point value, and its disctinctive shape make it VERY VERY poor in a furball. It attracts a LOT of attention!!! So dont get into a furball! Fly above them, look for lone targets, dive, take your shot, and get out of dodge. Rense, repeat.

A P-38 will hold its own 1 on 1 vs almost any Luftwaffe fighter. The problem is, once you enguage any Luftwaffe fighter, he wont be alone very long. So dont stay in long enguagements. Im sure your apponent is yelling on the coms that there is a nice jucy P-38 on his tail and about 10 of his friends are heading in your direction. Thats my #1 advice in a P-38. Dont stay long with any targets!

JtD
05-09-2007, 12:01 PM
I don't know, when I am in a P-38 it usually survives a lot of punishment.

fordfan25
05-09-2007, 12:41 PM
IMHO the big problem with the 38's DM is the ease in wich contoles are taken out. seems harsh talk will cause you to loose a control or two. other than thats its not to bad how ever the glass jaw controles is a major issue for me. its turn abilty last patch was great. this last patch it got reduced. least little turn causes it to shake badly and lose speed like a fat girl who just learned thay no longer make jelly donute's lol. feels like it has 200% fuel.

fordfan25
05-09-2007, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
I don't know, when I am in a P-38 it usually survives a lot of punishment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yea thats what C2extreem says. i have unfortunitly had the oposite exp. as i said above nearly every hit takes out one or more controles at a MUCH higher rate than any other med/late war plane.

Gibbage1
05-09-2007, 02:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
yea thats what C2extreem says. i have unfortunitly had the oposite exp. as i said above nearly every hit takes out one or more controles at a MUCH higher rate than any other med/late war plane. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. Hits on the wings and center gondola are surviveable. ANY hits on the aft boom and elivator will instantly clip your tail, or at best, kill your controle lines. I did a test from a parked Betty on a P-38 and in about 20 times in a row, 1-2 20MM hits on the tail resulted in controle loss, or it blew the tail clean off. Goin though this debate at CWOS. But the internal structure is EXTREAMLY thick at the small portion of the tail. Its not a weak spot, so there is no logical reason this is happening.

Divine-Wind
05-09-2007, 04:43 PM
Probably the most important thing to remember in the P-38 is to keep out of dogfights.
Dive from above, where all the good stuff can be shot (Pilot, engine, wing roots). I always aim as much as possible for the wing roots, though that's good for any plane, not just the Lightning.

She can climb pretty good (2x Engines = Awesome climb and zoom), so that's a plus, but the compressability is bad. And the lack of airbrake in the J means that you shouldn't dive too long, or you'll either break up or become a cool-looking meteorite.
All three models have auto-rads, so I keep them on that setting, and it almost never overheats for me.

Also, flying with a wingman helps. Keep your head on a swivel and use the good cockpit visibility.

Korolov1986
05-09-2007, 04:51 PM
P-38 smells like a baboon. Don't fly it.

Yskonyn23
05-10-2007, 06:26 AM
Well I smell like an elephants' ar** and according to the well-known book: "Elephants and Baboons" by D. Icky those two have a natural bonding with eachother, so I don't see any problems.

What's the issue with compressability by the way?
(And now I am not talking about the elephants' ar** anymore)

Col._King
05-10-2007, 07:22 AM
~S~

Hi there!

If you interested to really master the P-38, feel free to jump in our private servers. We fly the P-38 as our official mount.
Look in HL for us, our Tag is {HD} standing for "Hell's Devils".

Cheers

mynameisroland
05-10-2007, 09:35 AM
P38 is a very capable fighter/fighter bomber in IL2.

It certainly has been improved over the years to something that can comfortably fight almost any opponent one on one and have a great chance of winning or at least surviving. It can out manuver in combat any German fighter bar the Bf 109 G2 and it superiority in speed over Japanese aircraft allows it to extend and dictate the fight with comfort. Its strengths are great climb and acceleration, high top speed and good turn rate compared to its European adverseraries.

Ofcourse it has its bad points like weak tail and compressability but it is by no means the lame dog of IL2 like some fans make it out to be. Seems like it has taken the P51s mantle as most whined allied fighter. I supposed if you cant replicate Bong or Macguire's antics and out stall fight Ki 43s or Zeros in it it must be porked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Personally speaking, I think it does require effort and skill to fly well but it is a very good fighter aircraft in all scenarios except multiple plane engagements where you get caught up in the midst of a furball, because it is a big plane and attracts bullets like a magnet. If you fly with wingmen and with your head screwed on it can own against any opposition. In a Megamission I was part of a flight of 6 P38s and we arrived over target area and got involved in a dogfight with 6 or 7 Macchi 205s. We wiped the floor with them downing 5 for the loss of 2 iirc.

JtD
05-10-2007, 10:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yskonyn23:

What's the issue with compressability by the way? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real P-38 had problems with high speeds, as such as the ac was vibrating, getting a nose down pitch and a very stiff elevator. This severely limited it's diving. In fact, when flow up high these effects would already start to show when going all out level. This was caused by some of the airflow going supersonic, and this happened sooner in the thin air at high alt.
In game we have the very same effect, yet it sets in way too soon at low altitudes (where it did rarely happen in real world flight) and is about absent in high alt flight. Since most of the fighting (and bombing) takes place at low alt, the P-38 in game really suffers from this mismodeling.

Korolov1986
05-10-2007, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yskonyn23:
Well I smell like an elephants' ar** and according to the well-known book: "Elephants and Baboons" by D. Icky those two have a natural bonding with eachother, so I don't see any problems.

What's the issue with compressability by the way?
(And now I am not talking about the elephants' ar** anymore) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great! The more you stink, the more likely you are to be noticed, and the less likely you are to be shot at. You can stink so much that the enemy will pass out from the fumes.

The compression issue comes from being too steep, too fast, and accelerating faster than you can react. The trick is to put in a little bit of elevator trim to counter the tuck under. You can also try combat flaps but I don't recommend that unless you're out of options. You should also generally stay off the air brakes unless you've exceeded about 390mph IAS. The more speed you keep, the better off you'll be.

AKA_TAGERT
05-10-2007, 01:05 PM
The reason the P38 smells like that is because so many blue pilots cr@p thier pants when the P38 gets on thier six

Korolov1986
05-10-2007, 02:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
The reason the P38 smells like that is because so many blue pilots cr@p thier pants when the P38 gets on thier six </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That explains the grey and black stuff I see all the time.

PRAETORIVS
05-10-2007, 03:29 PM
The P-38 climbs very well.

Dives fast, but its susceptibility to compressibility problems can limit its use of B&Z tactics. This problem is not as pronounced on the L Variant due to the dive brakes, but you can still have difficulty getting the aircraft to maneuver at high speeds as a result of its unresponsiveness.

It rolls very, very slowly. Always use the rudder to speed up your roll rate. However, even then it rolls slow. Once you're in the turn it will turn well, the problem is getting into the turn before your opponent relieves you of your aircraft. Think ahead; because you have to move early to avoid getting hammered.

It handles best at medium speeds and is unresponsive at high speeds. If someone's about to catch you slow down, otherwise go fast.

It is a very stable gun platform and well-armed.

Turn-fighting is ill-advised. You cannot roll fast enough and this is how your opponent will evade you. He will roll fast into a turn, then switch directions. Repeat as needed. Before long you will not envy your position.

Turn-fighting is ill-advised.

Everyone will be aiming at your tail section. That is my favorite target area on a P-38 because the tail comes off so easily.

Never give up. I was once killed by a P-38 pilot after I had disassembled his plane into a pair of flaming wings when the bastage launched a flurry of rockets at me after I passed.
It was pretty annoying, but cool none-the-less.

BSS_CUDA
05-10-2007, 05:25 PM
the P-38 does everything very well, and nothing excellent. against German planes I can fight thier fight against almost any of them, except for a turnfight with a G2, and contrary to what has been said dont worry about a 190 reversing on you. because the ***** will end up on the deck not being able to out run you and have nothin in his arsenal but a reversal and will put him in your gunsites time and time again so be patient and give him just a tad bit more room then a 109 before you smoke him. again the G2 your so much faster than them who cares if he turns BnZ the shat out of him. against the Japanese aircraft just BnZ them to death, use 190 or 47 tactics

Yskonyn23
05-11-2007, 07:10 AM
My first dogfight against a Bf109 G-10 ended in a stalemate.
After having him chasing me for a while, zooming to evade his bullits he went dry on ammo. He shot me a minor fuel leak.
In one of the head-on approached that followed I shot him some damage to the engine which resulted in light black smoke coming out of the plane and he decided to give up and make a run for homebase.
Of course he wasn't faster than me, but because I don't yet have the speed under control I kept overshooting him with only the occasional hit.
He managed to land the crippled plane and just as I turned in hard to make the fatal strafe run over his head on the runway I went dry on ammo as well! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

He parked. I parked next to him and we both shared a look of respect.
Then he vanished.

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