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Trinity_Jay
06-23-2008, 09:04 AM
Here you go - Capt Eric Brown on the Mustang:

The Americans thought the Mustang was the best dogfighter in World War 2. Do you agree?

Capt Eric Brown: No, I disagree totally. The best fighter? No, no, no. It was the best escort fighter in the world, make no mistake about that. But this was because it had incredible range, but the laminar flow wing fitted to the Mustang could be a little tricky. It could not by any means outturn a Spitfire. No way. It had a good rate of roll, better than the Spitfire. So I would say the pluses to the Spitfire and the pluses of the Mustang just about equate the pluses and the minuses.

If I was in a dogfight, I'd prefer to be in a Spitfire. The problem was I wouldn't like to be in a dogfight near Berlin, because I could never get home to Britain in a Spitfire...

Trinity_Jay
06-23-2008, 09:04 AM
Here you go - Capt Eric Brown on the Mustang:

The Americans thought the Mustang was the best dogfighter in World War 2. Do you agree?

Capt Eric Brown: No, I disagree totally. The best fighter? No, no, no. It was the best escort fighter in the world, make no mistake about that. But this was because it had incredible range, but the laminar flow wing fitted to the Mustang could be a little tricky. It could not by any means outturn a Spitfire. No way. It had a good rate of roll, better than the Spitfire. So I would say the pluses to the Spitfire and the pluses of the Mustang just about equate the pluses and the minuses.

If I was in a dogfight, I'd prefer to be in a Spitfire. The problem was I wouldn't like to be in a dogfight near Berlin, because I could never get home to Britain in a Spitfire...

Capt.LoneRanger
06-23-2008, 09:06 AM
Nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

joeap
06-23-2008, 09:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Nice to hear an opinion from a REAL expert.

Xiolablu3
06-23-2008, 10:02 AM
But Mr Brown, turning means nothing, they told me so on UBI forum!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Only joking, thanks for posting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wildnoob
06-23-2008, 10:11 AM
in ETO I would avoid by all means combat a BF-109 in turninfigth. rather then that I would just run from him when I'm not behind him. in IL2 my experience with the P-51 against the BF-109 shows that the P-51 can outrun all BF-109 versions at least on deck. I already hear many times the comment "P-51 is sligth faster then the BF-109".

my experience in the sim shows that the P-51 is more faster then the BF-109, faster at point it could outrun it with relative easly. looks pretty faster in my view. but in real life reports I saw things a bite different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlfOWZHEGNk

* warning : spoiler from a episodie about the P-51 from THC dogfigths series.

my english is very poor, I understand far more wat is wrot then conversation. but by wat I understand the P-51 pilot says "all we learn is that this 109 outperform me". I couldn't understand wat he say they call the BF-109. some people in the comments think it's a K-4. I've done tests with IL2, and at least on deck the P-51 can still outrun the K-4. in fact this BF-109 version had a higher top speed then the P-51 (727 km/h if I'm correct). but I don't know about aceleration. again, at least in the sim by my trials the K-4 have a inferior aceleration and top speed on deck.

the point I want get is that the pilot just don't dive away and loose the pursuiter, or full open the trottle and outrun it. both procedures where effective in IL2. I already spoted a BF-109 diving on my 6 online, I dive and engage WEP and manage to outrun it. I are a bitte crazy in this kind of siatuations, when I'm alone in home I talk "go Mustang, take us out of here!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

in fact I talk with all aircraft wich I can use superior power plant to avoid enemies.

the P-51 is a excellent aircraft, it's VERY similary to the FW-190 D9, wich both are among the finest WWII figther aircraft.

I just can sumary that the P-51 can figth with all LW piston engine aircraft. with 109's avoid then in turninfigths, and with 190's from A series at high altitude using it's superior speed, and with the D9 using standard dogfigth tactics.

I'm not saying the P-51 is invencible, I know this is a just a legend, but in the correct hands sure it's among the best figthers ever.

PS : I get more shoot down with the P-51 in arcade servers for LA-7's and Spitfires then actually LW aircraft.

JtD
06-23-2008, 10:18 AM
Nice teaser, but where is the rest? I've been waiting for your posts of that interview!

Trinity_Jay
06-23-2008, 10:20 AM
If you had your own hanger and three aircraft, what would they be and what aircraft would you never have?

Well, I'd have a Spit 14. Griffin powered. Am I allowed to choose foreign aircraft? Well then I'd have a Fokker Wolf 190 D, the Dory 9. And I think my third one would be a Lancaster

QUESTIONER: Why a Lancaster?

Because it was a beautiful aircraft to fly. Outstanding. An outstanding load carrier we had three great aircraft in World War 2, the spitfire, the Mosquito and the Lancaster. I loved the Mosquito too, but there was something about the Lancaster

idonno
06-23-2008, 10:55 AM
The validity of what Capt Brown said is very much dependent on his definition of a dogfight.

K_Freddie
06-23-2008, 11:22 AM
Some of you are missing a basic point Eric Brown is making.
The P51 had speed and they did not dogfight (that much) in it. That means he's alive today to tell us that.

Looking at most combat reports from all sides:-
They go in high.. sweep attacks (probably BnZ) .. and then beat the hell out of there at max speed.

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Bremspropeller
06-23-2008, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But Mr Brown, turning means nothing, they told me so on UBI forum! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Turnuing doesn't win battles" - he quotes that in his book.

I guess he looks at it a little less "black and white".
It could be very useful, but it's not what makes up a good fighter.

Heliopause
06-23-2008, 11:49 AM
This looks interesting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xiolablu3
06-23-2008, 01:10 PM
HI Trinity Jay, where/when can we see the rest of the interview, mate?

Bremspropeller
06-23-2008, 01:12 PM
+1

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