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moeburn
06-25-2004, 01:14 PM
What would be the best (pixel shader 2.0) video card purchase for this game? Keep in mind I'm not rich, but I dont want to end up wasting my money on a cheap card either. I currently have a GF 3.

moeburn
06-25-2004, 01:14 PM
What would be the best (pixel shader 2.0) video card purchase for this game? Keep in mind I'm not rich, but I dont want to end up wasting my money on a cheap card either. I currently have a GF 3.

ddsflyer
06-25-2004, 01:21 PM
No question, Radeon X800 series. The system below will run 1200x1600x32, perfect settings, 4XAA, 4XAF at very high framerates.

P4 3.4GHz Northwood
Intel D875PBZ
ATI Radeon X800XT PT
1.0GB Kingston HyperX PC3200
W.D. Dual 80GB SATA RAID
Plextor PX-708A
Lite-On 52x
Creative Audigy2 ZS

moeburn
06-25-2004, 01:50 PM
yeah well we're not all rich enough to buy that card and the mobo that supports pci-e http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I was also looking at nVidia only, I don't like the ATI drivers (or lack thereof).

eXtra_Corrosiv
06-25-2004, 01:56 PM
ati drivers and beta program are far superior to nv. have been all year.

pci express is slower in most cases than agp. proven all over the web in the last week.

get an x800 pro 400 bux is a good deal.

how much ram and what cpu do you use?

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moeburn
06-25-2004, 03:05 PM
*ahem* well regardless of the fanboy opinion, I'll be going with nVidia under any circumstances.

Speco
06-25-2004, 03:34 PM
Let me see if I got this right. You ask for help and when someone responds in a custructive manner you try to insult him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif.

If you had made up your mind about buying an NV card then you should have either said so in your original post or not posted at all(the second option sound waaay better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif).

civildog
06-25-2004, 03:38 PM
I finally made the jump from a GeForce 4 to the Radeon 98oo pro. I'll never go back and would recommend it to all.
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CPS_Lav69
06-25-2004, 03:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ddsflyer:
No question, Radeon X800 series. The system below will run 1200x1600x32, perfect settings, 4XAA, 4XAF at very high framerates.

P4 3.4GHz Northwood
Intel D875PBZ
ATI Radeon X800XT PT
1.0GB Kingston HyperX PC3200
W.D. Dual 80GB SATA RAID
Plextor PX-708A
Lite-On 52x
Creative Audigy2 ZS
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geeez....imagine if you had an Athlon fx51 or 53.

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Xiolablu3
06-25-2004, 06:19 PM
Errrm, Moeboy, you are the one who sounds like a fanboy, noone else.

He was just suggesting the ideal card for FB which IS an ATI card. They have superior performance in FB to Nvidia cards. Didnt you ask for the 'ideal' card yourself?

The driver issue with ATI was sorted out years ago. Now they release more drivers than Nvidia.

panther3485
06-25-2004, 07:43 PM
Hi there, moeburn.

Yes, perhaps you SHOULD have said "Hey guys, waddaya reckon is the best Nvidia based VGA solution for my system, cos I prefer Nvidia based cards?" - and then you could have given us your system specs, which would've helped even more.

Anyway, not knowing what your system specs are I'll try to help. I can only say what has happened in my own experience.

My system:

P4 3.4 GHz Canterwood
Intel D875PBZ
2.0GB Hynix PC3200 (DDR400)
WD Dual 120GB SATA RAID 0
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Mitsubishi DiamondPro 2070 (21")
Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar w/Elite pedals

My graphics card is ASUS V9980 FX5950 Ultra. This is NOT because I believed Nvidia was necessarily the 'best' (my research showed that Radeon cards had in fact consistently offered a performance edge over equivalent Nvidia based cards).

BUT all my previous experience was with Nvidia and being a conservative sort of guy, I stuck with 'good old faithful'. AND, at the time my system was built (March '04) the FX5950 was the most potent Nvidia card available. AND, my local dealer was offering a very good price on it!

Bearing all the above in mind, and the fact that I would probably upgrade in 12 months or so anyway, I reckoned the ASUS card would be fine.

It is.

You will notice, coincidentally, that my system specs are very close to those of ddsflyer, who also replied to your post.

Using driver 56.72, I have gained similar results and can run IL2/FB and LOMAC on full settings, everything smooth as silk, but my usual resolution is 1280x960 (same as my desktop res.) Out of curiosity, I intend to try 1600x1200 to see if this makes a significant difference!

Anyway, I guess the choice is down to three things - your system specs, your personal preference as to type and your budget.

Don't know if this has been of much help to you, but I wish you luck with your selection.

Best regards to you and everyone else who posted (regardless of your preferences).

panther3485

LuckyBoy1
06-25-2004, 09:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moeburn:
What would be the best (pixel shader 2.0) video card purchase for this game? Keep in mind I'm not rich, but I dont want to end up wasting my money on a cheap card either. I currently have a GF 3.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MoeDude, you should know better than to ask a technical question in the genital forum. Ask this same question over in Community Help and remember to include your diagnosis...

Start&gt;Run and type in...

dxdaig

and hit the enter key. Save the results and open the notepad that has the results and...

Ctrl a

Ctrl c

and put your cursor in the thread and...

Ctrl v

because giving you advice without a gander at your diagnosis is just guessing too much.

Also, remember to include a budget. Nobody knows what "too much" or I'm not rich" means. Give us a number, you know, like in Zlotys or $ or Eurines or whatnot.

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MB_Lerxster
06-26-2004, 07:27 AM
A year ago I had GF3 and swapped it out for an ATI 9500pro which I later added a Arctic cooling HSF to. Just the other day I swapped that out for an Sapphire 9800 pro (the 256 bit version) and added the rev3 version of the arctic cooling HSF.

Tonight, after reading the forum, I will download those 4.7 catalyst beta drivers and set things to perfect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame you won't try the ATI! I've had a whole year of fun with em! Especially as you get more bang for your buck. Whatever floats your boat I guess!

WUAF_Badsight
06-26-2004, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moeburn:
*ahem* well regardless of the fanboy opinion, I'll be going with nVidia under any circumstances.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

why ask if you dont want answers ?

pixel shader 2.0 inst used in FB (AFAIR)

& the ATI Drivers available run Perfect just fine

test on the X800XT show it to be extremely good at high AF & AA over the latest Nvidia which is exactly what you seem to want

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missiveus
06-26-2004, 08:41 AM
First, I am not a "fan" of either nVidia or ATI.. I've owned models from both companies, currently a 9800 Pro, which I believe has been the best card for the money....up until now.

After reading the specs and a few rewiews, I think the best card for FB AEP is (will soon be?) the FX 6800 GT. The link below has comparisons of the different current generation GPU's running FB. The GT is clearly the best card for the money. I know what I'll be buying in a few weeks.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_ultra_extreme/page8.asp

PF_Coastie
06-26-2004, 09:03 AM
The jury is still out on the Nvidia cards as well as some of the new ATI cards because they have not even hit the stores yet. Not a single Nvidia card is even in the stores. Some ATI's are showing up but some of thier top models are not available yet.

It will be a close race either way.

The best bang for the buck right now is the 9800pro 128MB 256 bit card. Also the 5900 ultra is a good deal because it can be softmodded to a 5950.

I sure do wish people would get thier heads out of thier butts about the ATI drivers. I promise you that Nvidia has just as hard a time with this game as ATI does getting a good all around set of drivers.

Good Luck!

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ddsflyer
06-26-2004, 09:41 PM
Whoa, didn't mean to create such angst! The X800XT is at least 4 times as fast as my previous GF4 4600ti. When the final release of the Cat 4.7 drivers are available the final hurdle, flashing in perfect terrain settings, will be solved. Until then, no videocard currently available even comes close. Nvidia doesn't even have a retail card available yet, for Pete's sake.

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Intel D875PBZ
ATI Radeon X800XT PT
1.0GB Kingston HyperX PC3200
W.D. Dual 80GB SATA RAID
Plextor PX-708A
Lite-On 52x
Creative Audigy2 ZS

RAAF_Edin
06-26-2004, 10:59 PM
just let him have his "nVidia" card http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

they won't know what they'll be missing out on with X800XT http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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HH Quazi
06-26-2004, 11:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Lerxster:
A year ago I had GF3 and swapped it out for an ATI 9500pro which I later added a Arctic cooling HSF to. Just the other day I swapped that out for an Sapphire 9800 pro (the 256 bit version) and added the rev3 version of the arctic cooling HSF.

Tonight, after reading the forum, I will download those 4.7 catalyst beta drivers and set things to perfect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame you won't try the ATI! I've had a whole year of fun with em! Especially as you get more bang for your buck. Whatever floats your boat I guess!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, if you have a Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB, you actually have a 9800XT dumbed down to a 9800Pro bios. You should flash the cards bios to a 9800XT bios. Check the part number on the card against these numbers:
The XT boards are labeled 109-A18800-xx
The Pro boards are labeled 109-A07500-xx
If it has the XT's part number, go these links out and just follow the instructions to the tee:
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=11 and
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=91&var2=0
I am a noob when it comes to these things, but I have the same card, and I've read in plenty of threads on different forums, plus a Sapphire official release. The Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB is an XT with a Pro's bios. I read and followed the directions on those two links and I turned my Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB card into the XT that it really is. Check this link out also:
http://forums.ocfaq.com/index.php? It has allot of useful threads and posts concerning the subject. If I can successfully flash the bios on my card to a 9800XT 256MB bios, anybody can. Check it out. BTW, 3DMark03 score before the falsh to an XT was 5494. After I flashed the card to an XT, the score is 6404. This is with a 2.4GHz cpu and 768MB ram. I hope this is useful information for you.

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Copperhead310th
06-27-2004, 12:18 AM
Ok while i'm looking at this....
i'll go to you guys.

I'm sick to death of running this game on 256, & a Gforce 2 mx 400. never enough memory & my frame rate average is 12.

SOOOOOO...

If you were having a system built for Pacifc fighters & AEP. what would the specs be.
keep in mind that i want to run in perfect or better. I want great sound...TIR....& be able to have high FPS & still be playble. As a matter of prefernce i like nvida Cards. & would like it to have Hypper threading. So emagine the best possible system you can wip up.

NOw do it again for 1,800.00 bucks. USD.

Please provide links & specs for all Parts.
includuding tower & high cooling fans.

So think you guys can collective come up with something here.

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06-27-2004, 12:37 AM
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MB_Lerxster
06-27-2004, 03:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HH Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Lerxster:
A year ago I had GF3 and swapped it out for an ATI 9500pro which I later added a Arctic cooling HSF to. Just the other day I swapped that out for an Sapphire 9800 pro (the 256 bit version) and added the rev3 version of the arctic cooling HSF.

Tonight, after reading the forum, I will download those 4.7 catalyst beta drivers and set things to perfect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame you won't try the ATI! I've had a whole year of fun with em! Especially as you get more bang for your buck. Whatever floats your boat I guess!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, if you have a Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB, you actually have a 9800XT dumbed down to a 9800Pro bios. You should flash the cards bios to a 9800XT bios. Check the part number on the card against these numbers:
The XT boards are labeled 109-A18800-xx
The Pro boards are labeled 109-A07500-xx
If it has the XT's part number, go these links out and just follow the instructions to the tee:
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=11 and
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=91&var2=0
I am a noob when it comes to these things, but I have the same card, and I've read in plenty of threads on different forums, plus a Sapphire official release. The Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB is an XT with a Pro's bios. I read and followed the directions on those two links and I turned my Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB card into the XT that it really is. Check this link out also:
http://forums.ocfaq.com/index.php? It has allot of useful threads and posts concerning the subject. If I can successfully flash the bios on my card to a 9800XT 256MB bios, anybody can. Check it out. BTW, 3DMark03 score before the falsh to an XT was 5494. After I flashed the card to an XT, the score is 6404. This is with a 2.4GHz cpu and 768MB ram. I hope this is useful information for you.

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Hehe Done that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But didn't want to admit it in fear of being branded a "fanboy" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Here's (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17229146&highlight=9800+flash) a good thread too!

HH Quazi
06-27-2004, 05:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Lerxster:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HH Quazi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Lerxster:
A year ago I had GF3 and swapped it out for an ATI 9500pro which I later added a Arctic cooling HSF to. Just the other day I swapped that out for an Sapphire 9800 pro (the 256 bit version) and added the rev3 version of the arctic cooling HSF.

Tonight, after reading the forum, I will download those 4.7 catalyst beta drivers and set things to perfect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shame you won't try the ATI! I've had a whole year of fun with em! Especially as you get more bang for your buck. Whatever floats your boat I guess!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, if you have a Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB, you actually have a 9800XT dumbed down to a 9800Pro bios. You should flash the cards bios to a 9800XT bios. Check the part number on the card against these numbers:
The XT boards are labeled 109-A18800-xx
The Pro boards are labeled 109-A07500-xx
If it has the XT's part number, go these links out and just follow the instructions to the tee:
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=92&var2=11 and
http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=91&var2=0
I am a noob when it comes to these things, but I have the same card, and I've read in plenty of threads on different forums, plus a Sapphire official release. The Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB is an XT with a Pro's bios. I read and followed the directions on those two links and I turned my Sapphire 9800 Pro 256MB card into the XT that it really is. Check this link out also:
http://forums.ocfaq.com/index.php? It has allot of useful threads and posts concerning the subject. If I can successfully flash the bios on my card to a 9800XT 256MB bios, anybody can. Check it out. BTW, 3DMark03 score before the falsh to an XT was 5494. After I flashed the card to an XT, the score is 6404. This is with a 2.4GHz cpu and 768MB ram. I hope this is useful information for you.

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/QuasiPOWsmall.jpg
Undercover as a Sgt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe Done that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif But didn't want to admit it in fear of being branded a "fanboy" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17229146&highlight=9800+flash a good thread too!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Loll. They can label me what they want to. I'm just not into spending money if you don't have too. Allot of people are hardmodding the 128MB version of the Pro made by Sapphire because they have been releasing it with the XT's R360 gpu. Memory timings are a bit aggressive for the Pro's 2.8ns memory chip, and it won't oc as far as the true XT memory chips, so it is really important to provide some extra cooling in the form of ramsinks. But as far as being labeled a fanboy, if I can help any comrade get by cheaper to play FB, then label on. Small sacrifice.

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CPS_Lav69
06-27-2004, 05:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
The jury is still out on the Nvidia cards as well as some of the new ATI cards because they have not even hit the stores yet. Not a single Nvidia card is even in the stores. Some ATI's are showing up but some of thier top models are not available yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not really. They are being tested in publications every where. And you can buy both online quite easily if you cannot find them in a store.

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ASM 1
06-27-2004, 07:14 AM
Deary me...

Well as the original postrer has not posted his spec, I dunno how valid this is, but if ya don't wanna spend tons on a graphics board, then I'd say get the 9800 pro - I did, and I am more than happy, although coming from onboard graphics (yes, onboard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif)I don't think that would be too hard. it is certainly an "upgrade" even from a GF 3 I should say that I am in the middle of building the system so I can't test it yet.... waiting on postie to deliver CPU/RAM/HD etc http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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PF_Coastie
06-27-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CPS_Lav69:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
The jury is still out on the Nvidia cards as well as some of the new ATI cards because they have not even hit the stores yet. Not a single Nvidia card is even in the stores. Some ATI's are showing up but some of thier top models are not available yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No not really. They are being tested in publications every where. And you can buy both online quite easily if you cannot find them in a store.

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Well I am sorry but you are misguided. There are NO Nvidias on the market and very few ATI's. There have been no Top of the line ATI's released to market yet either. They should have shipped on the 25th though.

The cards that are released to reviewers and such are not necessarily the same cards that the public will see. They may have different ram or a tweaked bios and newer drivers which can make substantial differences in "pre-release" reviews compared to actual product performance.

Don't get me wrong, Some reviews will reflect pretty close numbers to what the public will see. But some are very Skewed for one reason or another.

If you want to know when the Nvidias will hit the stores, Just add three months to the "paper Release" date. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Nvidia is Notorius for Paper releases and not "actually" releasing there cards for months. Hey, But they were first to release!

ddsflyer
06-28-2004, 06:20 PM
The system you see below, minus the monitor, cost almost exactly $1800 including such things as a black Antec window case, Antec super quiet 480W P/S, quiet fans and Zalman quiet CPU cooler.

P4 3.4GHz Northwood
Intel D875PBZ
ATI Radeon X800XT PT
1.0GB Kingston HyperX PC3200
W.D. Dual 80GB SATA RAID
Plextor PX-708A
Lite-On 52x
Creative Audigy2 ZS
NEC FP2141SB